Total 2022 pay: $6,903,089
Total 2023 pay: $6,260,072 - a $643,017 decrease
Base chair pay: $600,000
2023 chair bonuses and other incentives: $5,622,600
Sources:
For comparison, here are other executive salaries ($0 bonuses for each)
| Executive name | Title | Total Pay (2023) |
|---|---|---|
| MARK SURMAN | PRESIDENT & EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR | 715,143 |
| J. BOB ALOTTA | SVP, GLOBAL PROGRAMS | 508,138 |
| ANGELA PLOHMAN | COO, SECRETARY & TREASURER | 452,234 |
| ASHLEY BOYD | SVP, GLOBAL ADVOCACY | 427,701 |
| ZHILUN PANG | DIRECTOR OF FINANCE | 273,069 |
| DAVID WALKER | SENIOR COUNSEL | 268,565 |
| LAINIE DECOURSY | DIRECTOR, ORG EFFECTIVENESS | 267,028 |
| JUAN BARANI | SENIOR DIRECTOR, GIFT PLANNING | 262,879 |
| STEPHANIE WRIGHT | SR PROGRAM MANAGER, MOZFEST | 236,785 |
Is the same thing all management does in companies, fill pockets, if possible keep this the same or just let them die, run away.
Use resume to acquire new CEO job citing experience.
What a poor soul, started out only making half a million dollars a year?? 😑
You know what else coincides with 2009? Google Chrome’s release- a browser by a company with far more resources. I’m absolutely not a supporter of CEO pay going up in general- this post is just incredibly lazy
I dont feel the post is saying the two are correlated, more so simply that despite Firefox doing worse year over year, the CEOs compensation continues to rise.
As much as I’m opposed to Mozilla CEOs paying out absurd amounts, we still have to acknowledge that Mozilla has way more revenue streams nowadays than they had a few years ago.
So a sinking market share of one of their (free and open source) products doesn’t mean that the company is making less money overall.
Especially because a sinking market share doesn’t mean there are less users. This graph doesn’t reflect the exponential adoption of smartphones and tablets on which most users just use the preinstalled browser (eg Chrome and Safari).
So the user base is probably still similiar in size or even bigger, but the number of devices just exploded due to smartphones beeing adopted by a broad audience in markets like Asia and Africa.
Users on just desktop has been shrinking too, despite more people using computers in general https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
Yeah, I’d love to see an additional line with user count as well
In other words, the marketshare isn’t tied to the ceo? I don’t see the point in putting that out there without any context, like is lowering the ceo’s compensation supposed to magically give Mozilla more market? Do they want a new ceo? How much is Mozilla making? What’s the end goal? Right now they’re competing with Microsoft and Google- it’s not exactly fair competition.
Totally! How dare OP post some visual data without having detailed plans about how to solution a company’s various business issues. Super lazy.
It’s just indicative of where their priorities lie. Dude’s compensation is like 3.5% of their total development budget. Meanwhile they’re being absolutely dominated by their competitors. Maybe instead of working on their golden parachutes, they should focus more on not being obliterated in the next 24-48 months.
Yeah maybe if Firefox could be the default browser on Android, mac, and windows, they’d be able to outpace the others on marketshare. We know this’ll never happen though, and desktop usage (their majority market) is dwindling; this is while the vast majority of users never change from the default browser and their competitors are the default and thus the target for compatibility on the web. Maybe you’re right and the ceo could change all this by being paid less. Tbh I’m happy as long as they have the revenue to stay afloat and can continue making the browser without adding a bunch of tracking. All this talk about marketshare is nonsense- the CEO’s job is to find money and they’re finding money and diversifying. In 2023 alone, they were able to increase developer costs by 40m (so now about 260m, almost a 20% jump and 10% the year before that from 200m), so acting like they don’t invest in their products is so asinine.
This is precisely how I read it.
The decline started much earlier than the increase of salary
It couldnt be connected even if there was no other reason
Does it make sense for a CEO to be paid more while the business they manage dwindles?
In a vacuum, no- but we all know life is more complicated than this chart. For example, how do they compare to the market rate of other CEOs? Are they increasing profitability (something marketshare alone doesn’t say)? I’m not just gonna say “lower ceo pay = problem solved”- we have to do better. CEO pay is a systemic problem and needs a systemic solution- imo it should be capped across the spectrum or based on lowest employee pay but I’m sure I’m in the minority
The situation is always more complicated than a single graph can represent. Which is why I’m taking this in consideration with other context, and it’s solidifying my impression that Mozilla is failing and I need to find a firefox alternative before they shit it up further chasing money to pay their CEO a ridiculously inflated “market rate”. What good is some theoretical increased profitability (they’re a non-profit!) if all it does is serve to further inflate already inflated compensation packages?
Tbh there really isn’t any replacement, which tells you a lot about how profitable browsers that care even a little about privacy vs browsers that are just supported by bigger companies and have better marketing. And yes, there’s a bunch of smaller browsers around but they’re mostly reskins and die overnight without Google and Mozilla to carry the major load. It’s sad but privacy is not as popular as compatibility with every website and when you’re the default, you’re compatible everywhere. I’ve been around since Netscape and I don’t see a way to change this at all. Mozilla literally relies on Google ad money to stay afloat.
There is no Firefox alternative. There is Firefox and there is Chrome. Everything else is just a fancy reskin of either one of them.
firefox is not gecko, but yeah there is a depressing lack of viable alternatives
Without Firefox there is no Gecko
There’s no gecko without Netscape either, but one of those isn’t around anymore.
If this inclusive to all the forks? Alot of folks run forks cus they don’t like both ff and chrome. Just sayin.
Doesn’t matter, all the forks combined make up a fraction of FF.
Plus people moving to forks still hurts Mozilla
Well they can suck the doodoo out my butthole cus that’s what they get if they keep going the wannabe big tech company route.
Honestly I could care less about CEO salaries or company politics. I care about the service they provide. In this case the service is bad.
What happened in 2010?
Google released the stable version of Chrome, and funneled significant resources into marketing it. This was the first stage of their strategy - they focused on firstly making a good product, and the squeeze on users only came later (and is probably only just starting in the scheme of things).
What is a senior director of gift planning and how does that justify a salary of $260k?
They’re probably responsible for spending the nonprofit’s funds in meaningful ways by donating it to smaller projects. There needs to be someone who oversees it and ensures it’s not being wasted.
The irony
The “t” is a typo.
Dude is in charge of animated memes.
i switched to firefox because it had tabs and ie didn’t. ie7 had tabbed browsing in 2006? i later switched to chrome because firefox stopped working well and i got sick of troubleshooting. i switched to brave a few years ago and started using firefox again this year, but i’m regularly switching browsers still trying to find one i like.
the loss of market share was because of chrome, right? Google had a good reputation back then, and their browser worked easily and you could customize it. I wish there were more options that weren’t modified firefox or chrome, but i get why it’s tough.
If I had to guess, this chart lines up pretty well with the adoption of smartphones, so I’d say the drop is due to people using the default Android and iOS browsers on their phones. I’ve installed Firefox and use it on my phone but I don’t know many people who bother changing from the defaults.
That makes a lot of sense! I have trouble remembering exactly when this or that tech was introduced.
Just the other day, I’ve been forced to watch at least 10 ads for Chrome on Youtube. Falls upon deaf ears with me, but others, I can imagine, will just mindlessly click and download that shit.
too much money but, mozilla does a lot more that firefox… (see also: rust
they started it, but it’s not been their project for a long time
Not even, they laid off most of their Rust people already.
they started it, but it’s not been their project for a long time
I now recommended https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/
Or ladybird browser when it is released.
It takes years to build a browser engine, Ladybird isn’t coming anytime soon.
That’s not a browser I would recommend to most people as it’s still in early development and breaks websites all the time. Librewolf/Firefox are better.
Gnome Web is well developed. Works really well on Linux
til my favorite browser has been losing a lot of ground over the years, i guess i’ve been living in my foxy bubble
One can keep using good software even if others don’t.
Fox hole
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The fact you’re on lemmy puts you in good company I believe. I, too, am fighting the chromium curse.
You can gain users while losing market share. This graph includes the rise of smartphones (+chrome preinstalled)
It almost perfectly correlates with chrome coming to android circa 2012.
I suspect the graph is missing a recent rise in usage of Firefox. I feel like Firefox became popular again in late 2024 which isn’t on that graph
The argument is if you don’t pay a CEO enough, they will go elsewhere where they are paid more. I don’t know whether that is a good argument or not, but (at least some) CEOs have a skill set critical to the success of an organization. It would be interesting to know how the pay of CEOs in general has changed over time. That would tell you if this is shitty or not. My expectation is that it is somewhere in the middle leaning toward acceptable
Can we get these graphs for duckduckgo superimposed on this one?
He is obviously way too highly paid by an insane amount, but where are these people going? There’s no way they’re all going to Chrome, right?
Chrome, Safari, Edge (which is chromium anyways).
According to this 3x as many people use Opera over Firefox when it comes to phone usage worldwide. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile/worldwide
