jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.
Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.
Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808
The reasoning they give is ludicrous. That’s idiotic as saying because someone put up a pedophile website, Apache is the devil. Even if Apache were built by NAMBLA, if it’s opensource and doesn’t randomly insert pictures of naked kids into your website, how does the developer matter to the product?
If Nambla owned Apache, I think Apache should be taken from Nambla.
Nutomic and Dessalines may be tankies, but they’re our tankies
Not wrong lol. I dislike their behavior but still contribute code to lemmy.
Same, I am very opposed to their views, but they make this platform, so I respect them as FOSS developers
And the day that something bad in general about the code can be said? That’s when developers fork. It means something different to us.
Good way to phrase it ha ha
They may be your tankis, but they sure arent our tankies.
They can fuck right off
😂💯
Why don’t you first?
As soon as Sublinks is live I will.
Lemmy is making the same mistake as Reddit, and they’ll be an exodus when we have an alternative
As soon as Sublinks is live I will.
https://piefed.social/ is more promising, and almost there except mobile apps. Feel free to try it out.
They are literally developing the platform we are on. Sure, I don’t agree with their opinion at all, but it doesn’t mean I can’t respect their work.
Doing a pretty shit job at it.
I used to use reddit. Those devs made the same mistake, and I dont respect either.
Can you elaborate on what you mean?
Reddit was literally co-founded by Aaron Swartz (RIP): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
Not listening to to community. We are the content creators on reddit. Reddit should have done as we asked. They threw us under the bus.
Lemmy devs dont listen to their community. Instance admins point out serious legal issues regarding moderation, and they say they don’t fix those bugs because user privacy doesn’t matter.
He admitted it he was wrong at the end of the ticket and fixed accordingly: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2384#issuecomment-1978857727
Unfortunately there was some miscommunication in this issue and we failed to get to the root cause. In fact the Lemmy backend has an option to delete all content when an account is deleted. This used to be the default behaviour but was changed in 0.19 so you need to set a parameter delete_content. We failed to add a checkbox for this parameter to lemmy-ui.
However the checkbox is added now in #2385 and will be included in the next Lemmy release. Other frontends and clients may also need to adjust the delete_account api call.
Then develop it yourself.
That’s because you choose to. You could easily move to mbin, for example. This post made me realize I had been holding back on it without a good reason.
Yeah watch out for that sotware
Wow that change is from June 2023.
Yes, that’s quite old, not sure why OP is bringing this up now.
Most of the people here know about the Lemmy devs political stances. Quite a few people are waiting for Piefed and Mbin to catch up. Nothing new to see here.
I don’t know. I just came across it yesterday, and I thought it’d be something interesting to share.
It was explained in the post’s body actually:
Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives.
Most of the people here know about the Lemmy devs political stances.
Seeing as I’ve only started using Lemmy less than a month ago, I’ve only just very recently started realizing that.
I appreciate you posting it
This was like me months ago. A lot of people here take the mentality of “Well I know about it, so it MUST be common knowledge that everybody knows!”
Completely forgetting that there are 8 billion people on the planet, and something like 65k people on lemmy. Statistically speaking, this means basically nobody in the entire planet knows about lemmy, or the issues with lemmy.ml.
So for every NEW user, this is ALWAYS new info. It’s not like facebook where I don’t have an account, but already know zuck’s a massive piece of shit.
The question is more “how many people on Lemmy know about the ml political stance”
Posts like this (https://feddit.org/post/3912054) with 205 comments show that most of the people are usually aware.
For new joiners, there is a post on [email protected] about this.
FWIW: I used join-lemmy.org and found lemmy.ml, submitted my registration, but then checked on Wikipedia and it says lemmy.world is the largest instance, so I wanted to cancel my registration for lemmy.ml (there’s no such feature according to the admin). Anyway, that’s how I ended up here on lemmy.world 😆
Did not notice any of the political leanings until just a few days ago, so it’s definitely not obvious unless you look deeper into things.
You can have multiple accounts on multiple instances. In fact, I recommend it. No need to delete your ml account, just keep it as a backup or curate a different feed on it.
I’m way too lazy for that. I don’t even have more than 1 email account. I use the same username everywhere lol…
As I said, you’re new here.
I bring up the topic regularly on /r/Redditalternatives: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1fmuk7o/post_to_address_the_usual_criticism_about_lemmy/
Every time I mention Lemmy there, I point to discuss.online and sopuli.xyz: https://reddit.com/comments/1hxduw2/comment/m68fhsc
It is also part of a dedicated post on [email protected] : https://lemmy.world/post/21568033
We could probably improve its visibility.
It’s okay, I see your account is quite new, so no worries.
As I said, those issues are known, you can have a look at [email protected] for posts complaining about power tripping mods, be it lemmy.ml or elsewhere.
The key takeaway is that even with its flaws, Lemmy is the biggest Reddit alternative by far (Discuit has less than 200 weekly active posters, Lemmy has 42000). If there would have been a better alternative people would probably have moved there, but there wasn’t (and still isn’t) any, so here we are
Block .ml
Block me
Who cares how others use Lemmy? I don’t. Feel free to make another feud post this week. Stick it to us champ!
Who cares how others use Lemmy? I don’t.
I do, because I would like Lemmy to reach 100k monthly active users, so that other posters can join communities I keep alive. Lemmy.ml reputation is detrimental to this.
On the other hand, I respect the Lemmy devs as developers, just not as admins.
to anyone looking for somewhere other than Lemmy I’d like to suggest mbin. I’ll admit it’s not perfect (especially on mobile, interstellar is decent but it’s the only app and has some bugs) but it handles reddit-style content pretty much the same as Lemmy except for the lack of read-marking on posts. as a bonus, it handles microblogs so you can see those without an account on mastodon or something similar.
What bugs/issues does Interstellar have that you would like to see fixed? I’m Interstellar’s developer btw. I tried to get the majority of the know bugs fixed in the last big update. If there’s anything specific you’re running into, I can try to focus on that.
the main one I’m still having repeatably right now is that sometimes when I go to post something, especially a comment, the button does not seem to work, so I press it again thinking I missed and it gets posted twice. I also sometimes have an issue where up/downvoting makes a thing pop up saying “null check operator used on null value”. it also happened when trying to unfollow a community from an instance I had recently blocked.
- That was something I specifically tried to fix in the last update (the posting button not appearing to work). After the update, almost all buttons that connect to the api have a loading indicator now. Would you be able to verify you are on the latest version: v0.7.1.
- I have seen that error before (null check), which I can definitely try to investigate, but I’ll likely need more context (such as a post it happens on) to be able to figure out exactly what’s causing the issue.
I’m on the latest version. I’ve only seen the null check thing on stuff from other platforms but as mbin is fairly small thats just what I use, so I doubt it’s related.
I’m a bit confused then; there should be a loading indicator that displays once the button is pressed, which prevents you from tapping it multiple times. It should look like this now:
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If this isn’t too much work, the next time you have the null check error show up, would you be able to comment back here (or dm me) with exactly what you did, including which post/comment it was you were interacting with?
using this comment to test
it does seem to have the loading thing, I’ll reply again here if it still happens or maybe mention it on matrix (same username).
I ran a kbin instance, which kbin forked, and man it was so resource heavy compared to lemmy. Quite expensive to run at scale. Has mbin fork helped with that?
I’m not sure about self-hosting (not feasible for me right now) but as a user it’s not bad. I can say I haven’t seen anyone complaining about it yet.
So, I should quit Lemmy now too?
So far I haven’t found a better alternative. Lemmy communities are already much smaller than their Reddit counterparts.
Personally, I don’t plan to venture into even more remote locations. It defeats the community part of it…
You can access the same communities on kbin. Does that change anything though?
kbin is abandonware: https://hachyderm.io/@maegul/112929613414300764
Found a related post: https://lemmy.world/post/22523493
That answers that.
But mbin?
Then how about mbin?
If I could use a single identity across the whole Fediverse, I would. Unfortunately, that’s not a reality yet.
So we’re forced to choose instances (i.e. “home servers”). And for me, that means I’d only choose to stick with the largest ones, as they have the highest chances of providing me with a sort of permanence.
I don’t see any big mbin instances:
It’s a shame kbin.social is no more. I guess Fedia.io is as big as it gets now.
kbin.earth and other kbin instances have migrated to mbin. Only the domain names remain the same.
you are aware that you aren’t restricted to things on your instance right? what your talking about is literally what the fediverse is. also who cares how big an instance is?
you are aware that you aren’t restricted to things on your instance right?
I’m not new to the Fediverse, so yes, I’m aware of that, and also of the drama that comes with defederation (lmao)
also who cares how big an instance is?
I’d only choose to stick with the largest ones, as they have the highest chances of providing me with a sort of permanence.
Or in other words, they’re much less likely to just shut down without notice.
https://fedia.io is the ‘big’ mbin server, but they appear to have closed registrations at some point
https://fedia.io/ has 413 monthly active users, how big do you need the instance to be, especially when all the content is available there too?
Fair point, but at this time, I’m on mastodon.social and lemmy.world, i.e. some of the largest instances. I simply don’t have much motivation to migrate.
Didn’t they close registration tho? Lol
You can select “All” instead of “Local” and you will see all instances that are federated with yours. (Not the ones defederated).
I wish we could do the same in communities that have the same name. “All” gaming and you could see every instances gaming community. Or select “Local” to see your instance only.
I actually use “Subscribed” because I don’t want to see posts from random communities. Haha…
Piefed looks interesting!
It certainly is! The only “bad” part is the lack of a mobile client. And it kinda looks funky on mobile.
The Thunder client is a godsend for Lemmy, I’m so happy with the work that developer has done. I feel like I’m still back on Reddit using Relay in the compact view.
For any of these alternatives to succeed mobile apps have to exist, and I doubt all the devs that popped up to make Lemmy apps want to retool yet again for a different platform.
Same feeling with Sync for lemmy. Basically the same experience of reddit I’ve been using for years.
It’s not so much that we expect the developers of Lemmy apps to retool. The hope is that, if we can provide a sensible, well-documented API, then it will appeal to front-end developers looking for a project. Also, if there are any devs of Lemmy mobile apps who are unhappy with Lemmy’s API for any reason, then getting involved with PieFed’s whilst it’s still in development, offers them a chance to shape one to their desires.
Speaking of Thunder though - I’ve been able to compile it for desktop, and get it working with PieFed’s API in the state it’s in now. I’ve no experience with Flutter / Dart or front-end development, so it suggests that - for open source Lemmy apps, at least - it doesn’t need to be the original author who ports it, and that the actual details a particular API are only a relatively small part of creating a good mobile app.
I’m guessing you had to make some changes? I get a url error when putting in piefed.social but the logo appears.
Oh yeah, sorry. I didn’t mention that the API isn’t available on production sites like piefed.social. I’ve been messing around with a build of Thunder on my dev instance, and - among other things - the app doesn’t uses the same V3 endpoint that Lemmy does, so it’d always need to be a different version than the one that’s currently available for Lemmy.
Not at all, just filter out .ml. Problem fixed!
Sounds simple right? But unfortunately several users seem to have difficulty in blocking .ml and continue to complain about us.
Don’t worry yall, I got your backs.
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
That does not completely block an instance. Users from that instance would still show up in the comments.
You’re good, just block Lemmy.ml.
The code is open source. Everyone can read it.
how do you block an entire instance?
Searching for the instance and then tapping on the element gives you the menu that provides the option to block on the third party app Mlem.
I use Voyager, but this helped me find it in the filter settings. Thank you!
“I’m gonna stop using GNU/Linux because I don’t like Richard Stallman”
It’s valid to dislike the devs (I disagree, I’ve found them nothing but courteous, and have read their posts with interest), but it’s ridiculous to exclude their software from this list.
It’s almost certainly because of the tankie factory that is .ml and the fact that it’s admins are all hard core tankies (including the main dev! And ofc the whole infamous Nutomic transphobe incident)
Coupled with the fact that a few of the biggest communities are on .ml does not bode well.
That’s why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.
.ml doesn’t want growth, they want a tankie echo chamber, if anybody wants to actually see Lemmy grow at a healthy pace it starts with shuning the hostile tankies and their instances.
That’s why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.
I mean…I joined that boycott months ago, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen you before this moment.
Bro. I just posted a meme about it 3 days ago
And I post from time to time about it, enough that some of the more prominent .ml users have started to take notice lmao
I’ve also been consistently for weeks now cross-posting a ton of fresh (non-tankie anyways) content to the relevant non-.ml communities, it’s like the bulk of my posts rn lol
That’s nice, thanks for your posts
Make your own instance and defederate .ml or any of the other instances you hate. Go nuts! Show us how it’s done.
sorry, but what does tankie mean?
oh i thought tankie means different here
The Interceptjournalist Roane Carey identified the “key element in the tankie mindset [as] the simple-minded assumption that only the United States can be imperialist, and thus any country that opposes the U.S. must be supported.”
I think that’s a well done description.
Same, no idea… Tank wearing people? Lol
Generally, those who praise authoritarian regimes who mask, or attempt to, themselves in the cloak of communism/socialism e.g. China or Russia and are SUPER anti-West (Parroting views of the China Russian regime)
Which comes with a whole host of shit takes, like Russia being justified in their invasion or even denying Tiennamen Square and definitely denying the China Uyghur genocide
Basically, they’ve gone so far left they’ve circled back into Right-wing authoritarianism
I’ve said it before, but I joined this instance when Reddit closed the api and the only time I see “tankie” stuff is when someone mentions how rampant it is on this instance, but not on the instance itself. I guess I subscribe to non-tankie content (all across the fediverse and not only this instance).
Coupled with the fact that a few of the biggest communities are on .ml does not bode well.
https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active_month
- 0 community in the top 10
- 2 communities in the top 20
That’s why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.
[email protected] is a good alternative to [email protected]
Well I was going by subscriber count, but good to know that it’s not as bleak going by (probably more accurate metric to go by) MAUs, but still [email protected] is #10 in the top 10
For memes either [email protected] or [email protected] is a good alternative to [email protected]
Isn’t number 10 [email protected] ?
Also, by the active numbers metrics, those other memes communities definitely took over the ml one
Oh it is, ig I miscounted lol
Still many top tech communities (in their niche) are on ML. Open source, Linux, Privacy, Raspberry Pi, Firefox come to mind.
Several hexbear communities are also in the top 50.
I mentioned l [email protected] already
The alternatives are there, most of the people just don’t seem to care enough to leave the .ml ones
Several hexbear communities are also in the top 50.
Are they? I see 2.6k monthly active users for [email protected], which is definitely lower than top 50, seems more like 80 or 90, or even past 100 (currently on my phone, can’t really count accurately, and Lemmyverse doesn’t have row numbers)
I do use all the ML alternatives, but engagement is notably lower. I almost wish LW would just bite the bullet and defederate from ML.
Yeah, maybe more like top 100 for hexbear. I am on mobile too.
Everyone should defederate from that toxic shithole. It serves no purpose that isn’t duplicated elsewhere only without the heavy-handed admin/mod team.
I almost wish LW would just bite the bullet and defederate from ML.
I get the feeling that even if you got what you wanted, you would still complain about .ml
Right now, you could block .ml personally. Have you blocked .ml?
Blocking ML doesn’t block the users
I have not, no. There are still some technology communities that are only present on ML. Outside of those, I do not interact with ML.
And what’s with your prima donna attitude? What exactly is the problem with calling out an instance run by genocide white-washing tankie scum?
I almost wish LW would just bite the bullet and defederate from ML.
I really don’t understand why they won’t, they did it with lemmygrad and hexbear but with .ml they wanna take this kid glove approach. The best theory I got is they don’t want to because of the more active communities on there ig
Having access to the devs via [email protected] and [email protected] is probably why
Yes, I guess for tech people the political stances are irrelevant, they just want the most active communities
Having access to the devs via [email protected] and [email protected] is probably why
It has mbin and piefed on the list, so it’s not harming the network at all. If anything it’s more healthy with more platforms rather than just ml and world. It’s one site directing people to the fedi, I’m not butthurt about it
Hmmmm, could it be the totalitarian-fellating developers? 🤔
Lemmy was made by patriotic Americans?
But there’s mbin which is clearly the SUPERIOR alternative.
I’m a big mbin stan, but it’s clearly the inferior software platform right now.
I was mostly joking, I like that there are multiple options amd we can still interact with each other.
Definitely
Having only one mobile app is already a deal breaker for some users
Is that Interstellar, or another one?
I was thinking about Interstellar indeed, is there another one?
I would sort of consider web as the other one, since kbin (and now mbin) were designed to play nice with mobile browsers, I use mbin on my phone via PWA and I’m pretty happy with it, aside from mbin UI issues which I keep kicking around the idea of fixing but have been lazy about it.
I see, I usually use PWA myself, but I’ve heard quite a few people saying that apps were a deal breaker for them
Makes sense to me.
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Is there some feature comparison of lemmy vs mbin vs other reddit-like platforms? There was some major reason why I didn’t like kbin, but I forgot why.
They keep changing every few weeks, so I guess that’s why people haven’t summarized the differences.
Do you have any question in particular?
I see. No, I don’t think I have any specific questions at this point.
There’s also https://piefed.social/ that is promising
How much effort do you think Meta, Twitter, and Reddit put into getting open social media people to fight against themselves?
Very little
Yeah, but it’s guilt by association. Think about how X is now. Its owner is an asshole, and that hurts the platform regardless of how many cool people use it.
X is under total control of that person. As long as the lemmy source adheres to fediverse principles, this developer can believe whatever they want and run their instance however they want, and no one else has to care. If his beliefs starts affecting the lemmy source, it’s always an option to fork.
If you exclude a branch of the fediverse because of one bad instance, you’re missing the point of the fediverse.
And you’re missing the point of my point.
If people who don’t already know how lemmy is run, are curious and read that shit and think the owner/operator of lemmy is a huge douchebag tankie that deletes/bans everything he doesn’t like… it bodes poorly for new people coming to lemmy.
So therefore- the rest of us are guilty as a result of association with the aforementioned douchebag.
it’s complaints about the developer (which are valid) who also runs lemmy.ml.
They can do whatever shit they want with their instance and believe whatever they want. The software they make provably doesn’t have any more biases than any other software. As long as that’s the case, I’m fine.
Maybe there’s something in the codebase that sends all our data to North Korea… who knows.
We do, because it’s open source
Have you read all the code though? Everyone assumes that somebody else will read every single file of the source code, and understand it all. Malicious code can be obfuscated.
Personally, no. However the technical lead of our instance has, and in fact wrote and debugged some of it.
Even a technical lead of an instance may not have read every single line of code because codebases these days are pretty large. Typically you might look at the code you’re working on, but not necessarily the entire codebase.
Hopefully Lemmy doesn’t have anything malicious in it, but it’s possible to sneak malware into open source projects. This sort of thing happened to XZ Utils last year.
If you are worried about the Lemmy codebase, there is https://piefed.social/
It’s still another codebase you need to trust, but in this case the devs don’t have specific political views
Next time, do something like suggesting that vaccines don’t work, to entertain me.
I’m not raising a conspiracy theory point, I’m raising what is surely a valid point: everybody assumes that someone else will read all of the source code and understand it all.
Codebases are large, and malicious code can be obfuscated. Hopefully Lemmy’s code is fine, but I definitely don’t know for certain that it’s completely clean. I just hope that it is.
