Keep it polite, folks. No personal attacks against others, especially speculations regarding mental or emotional capabilities.
Lazy stereotyping and wojaks, man that is a bottom tier “community”.
One of the reasons I dont like local moderators being perpetually in charge of some communities. We should have a way to vote out unwanted mods. Or at least have term limits.
On the flip side, if I create a community for some really niche thing that I want to discuss with others, I don’t want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
Mob mentality on social media is also a real problem. People see downvotes and continue to down vote a comment without even reading the whole thing, automatically assuming a user must be an asshole if everyone else downvotes them. Oftentimes, it’s just something people don’t want to hear, but is true.
If you grow it, that’s great! If a “mob of users” votes you out… that’s the community.
Maybe have it so only users with x amount of time can “vote” to prevent brigading.
Worked for valve and the steam deck as an anti scalper measure.
That’s literally bullying, what the fuck.
Uh, if you can’t tell the difference between voting and bullying, I don’t know what to tell you.
And if it doesn’t grow but a mob of users that you’ve pissed off somewhere else go find your community and vote you out of it?
If it doesn’t grow and it’s only you and get kicked out of the server for being a nuisance, nothing is lost. There was no community there to begin with. Actually, there was a greater super set community that rejected the mod. And, if there’s a small community and they kick you out, even if you founded and started the community, then that’s what the community wants.
You are ignoring that harassment is a problem. If any group of people has the power to follow you around and kick you out of any space you create then congrats, you’ve just made Kiwi Farms a new playground.
That’s what admins are for, meta moderation. I’m not proposing said solution or even suggesting it is desirable. Harassment exist in all human spaces and it is up to those in positions of authority and the collective consensus to stop it. But most internet spaces are dictatorial and authoritarian by default. There are plenty of examples on the fediverse alone. If any admin chooses to promote or protect the harassment then you’re out of luck. If someone wants to annoy the Admins, then they have no moral obligation to protect your community. They are the one’s hosting the service and paying for the servers and bandwidth. No mod has any sort of ownership over anything in here.
EDIT: Maybe it is not right, but that’s how it is right now. If a bad politician gets voted out of office, we don’t call it harassment, even if they founded the town, we call it democracy. But Lemmy is not that, so the idea is moot. Admins are all powerful dictators of their instances.
That’s a good legitimate issue.
There’s some things that could be done, like only allow people that have been part of the community for x amount of time may help. But it will definitely need to be thought about further.
But the current solution is permanent changes by mods of a community you are part of still sucks.
Sucked when it was part of reddit and sucks that it’s still a thing here
I guess I was thinking like the majority would have to vote you out, that kind of thing…
That was a potential solution I’d considered as well, but that’s also open to abuse (join a community, set a reminder for x amount of time, do the same thing as you were going to do anyway but with a delay). It would probably stop casual harassment but not do much for the KF-level stuff.
If it was easy to solve someone would have already done it, is my feeling. IMO trust in your instance admin to be fair when the community is at odds with the mods is the only practical way to deal with it without basically reinventing secure voting with verified voters. Which sounds like a hassle, but Godspeed to anyone who wants to give it a go.
I may take a stab at it if it bothers me enough. I dont know rust, but I could possibly see playing around with piefed/bookwyrm or some other like platform to prototype. Its probably one of those issues that comes up so rarely that we dont really need to worry too much about. Until its my instance of course 😜 .
Reminder ban communities would totally be a thing. To that, I have no solution other than they would have to be extra-ordinarily coordinated in their trolling. Which the internet is want to do…
To be fair having benevolent mods/admins/dictators are the best case scenario (and we are honestly in a pretty good spot in the fedi).
Not trying to be a dick, just trying to help, but the word you want is “…the internet is wont to do.” It’s a weird ass homophone.
I don’t want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
Without the “irrational mob of users,” wouldn’t the community just be you, and thus… not a community?
Isn’t that missing the entire point? “It’s my community I built it.”
So the people who exist in the community and partake in it aren’t part of it? Only you are because you spearheaded it? When you die they will shut it down in reverence for what has been lost, like the NBA retires numbers?
Then why even give a shit and start one and put unpaid hours into it? I don’t do any work without an end product to show for it. The users are just casually posting media. The mod has to sit there all day and make sure the community doesn’t turn into a shit show.
The mayor doesn’t own the town
At least the ones that do are the villains in those stories
I don’t do any work without an end product to show for it.
Then you honestly don’t understand what a community is or why you would want to be involved with it. Sadly this attitude seems to be everywhere these days.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit.
A community isn’t just for you.
We’re literally in the Linuxmemes community where we’re supposed to be part of an Open Source community so this attitude fucking baffles me.
If I write code that gets overwritten by better code, is it really worth it to bitch about how I have nothing to show for it now? Or should I be happy that someone more competent than me made the community better for everyone, including me?
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I get that. But I’m from the old school. In the 90s and early 2000s, if you paid for server space, bandwidth, and set up a forum for multiple users, nobody questioned whether it was yours or not and your ability to do whatever you want with it. Users who didn’t like it moved on or started their own.
You don’t own a community on another instance, it’s not even an ambiguous question, you can make one and be the main or only mod. But you do so with the understanding that the actual instance admins can remove you as a mod at any time.
You can still have that level of ownership with your own Lemmy instance, if you wish
Yup. I realize that. If the admin above me says to go fuck myself, I won’t hesitate to leave for another instance.
This entire conversation is solving a problem that’s already been mostly solved.
If you don’t like an existing community, whether because of the mods or whatever, you just create a new one. This was common on Reddit (e.g. GameOfThrones vs FreeFolk vs ASOIAF), and extends further. If you don’t like [email protected], you can create [email protected], @programming.dev, @lemm.ee, or hundreds of others.
The community will respond accordingly. If you run a better ship, people will find it and respond accordingly. The only real hurdle is fighting inertia. The mods of the existing community will probably not take kindly to anyone mentioning any alternatives.
I personally think the solution above will make people more confused. I’m already lost posting to the 5x Linux communities.
Sure everyone can make their own, except that there is a big threshold to actually get people moving. So unless something really but and bad happens, nobody cares and just stays. See Reddit -> Lemmy and how that did not happen apart of a small group of people.
Just create a new community
How is this not a joke community, like the Lunduke videos?
Well, Lunduke is making hour long nuanced content just with baity titles. And he doesn’t spend a portion of his days on banning people and sending snarky comments. This is mostly shitposting, ragebait and wrong factual claims…
I thought the same at first, then I started to think the main person was just trolling, now I’m pretty sure they’re actually serious
Lunduke is great to listen as long as his videos are not about “wokeness”, and lately all of them are, so I ended up unsubscribing him.
Lol don’t give them any attention. It’s the same 3 people who didn’t get loved enough during their formative years and cannot distinguish between good attention and bad attention
All three of them are Lunduke.
But lunduke doesn’t hate Linux. Only the fact that women are using it.
Idk if this is a joke or not.
Based on his more recent content, it’s almost serious.
Meh. I have no issues with novelty accounts/ projects that are taking the piss.
Madthumbs finally got some psychiatric help huh?
The posts are locked, so folks cannot comment. And the community itself is locked, so non-moderators cannot post. But madthumbs is a moderator.
Nothing loaded at all for me. So it looked like it just got nuked.
Oh, do you have the community blocked? I think, that would do that…
I dont remember doing it but I might have after he banned me with a snarky little message.
Work switched from windows 10 to 11. Think im the only person who read all the terms and conditions before upgrading thier work machine. If you can honsetly agree to all of that, then go for it.
Omg the downvotes in that community 🤣
rm -rf /can brick your systemWell good thing there’s basically no legitimate reason to ever even use
rm -rf /anyway so GNU version is perfectly within its rights to refuse to do that by default, am I right? If you know what you’re doing and want to nuke partitions, that’s whatcfdiskandmkfsare for, dammitYeah like so could deleting system32, and there were plenty of memes about that also.
‘Bricked’ in this sense meaning not that you’d just trash your OS and need a reinstall, but that it could actually stop your computer from booting at all. So the system32 analogy doesn’t exactly fit.
It’s because some motherboards implement UEFI in a way that allows important variables to be overwritten by I/O processes. Executing
sudo rm -rf /*would recursively go into the EFI parameters folder where the kernel mounts EFI variables and attempt to delete things. Some motherboards allowed these delete operations to remove things in the motherboard’s firmware it needs to complete POST, thus rendering the motherboard useless.But that’s a problem with the motherboard, not with Linux or Windows. The same damage can be caused by Windows.
rm -rf / won’t even run. Only sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root will
Really? Let me tr
yeah but what about
rm -rf ../../../.../var/lib/../../?
This sucks. I was about to sub and contribute.
there can only be one!
Windows too
I love how he complains about being “brigaded” when the most comments on any post in the community is like 8.
The community definitely has been brigaded though, as every single post (except one that is negative to Microsoft) has been downvoted to oblivion.
‘Brigading’ would be if pro-Linux communities were organizing to specifically target another community.
The fediverse is likely to attract the kinds of people interested in Linux in the first place, and all the negative attention that community attracts comes organically.
I talked with the user a bit in Linux_vs_Windows before they were booted from the community, and it’s my opinion that they just have a hate-boner going for Linux. It’s possible to have valid criticism of Linux, but they go way past legitimate and straight into obsession territory. They tend to post in that community daily. So their points aren’t exactly great (though sometimes they hit on a good meme) and they get the points they get naturally.
It’s not a conspiracy, their arguments just tend to be shit.
I read a really egregious childish and angry comment that had nothing to do with linux, and it went on so badly I checked the persons post history up, something I very rarely do, guess who it was…
I also already had that linux hate community blocked, it was so low effort when it wasn’t just outright wrong.
That, and due to the relatively small nature of the fediverse, simply being in the new tab makes things likely to be seen for quite a bit, enough for ~8 users to come in and explain how backwards they’re being.
Funny that there’s a meme against open source on lemmy
They forgot
sudo. Also, why not throw in a-vflag to see your dreams die in real time!When I first messed with Linux circa 1997, I had just installed it and learned how to edit fstab to mount my windows drive automatically.
I couldn’t figure out how to start X, though, so I booted into windows and asked in EFnet #linux.
The advice I was given was ‘rm -rf /’.
I hadn’t yet learned about non-privileged accounts.
The correct command was ‘startx’.
I first started my GNU-Linux journey on a RasPi 2 Model B+. I too remember having to
startx!
Most Linux haters have skill issue. I mean you can apply a complete Windows-mimicking skin to Ubuntu or Mint and use that
I think a large portion of it comes from an intolerance for troubleshooting issues with their hardware drivers. Nvidia has definitely been a huge part of this over the years with their limited Linux support, but other hardware manufacturers are also sometimes hostile towards anything but Windows support.
I think there is a vocal population of Nvidia GPU users who see their very expensive graphics card working well under Windows but having some crippling problems with whatever drivers are available on Linux, so they blame Linux. They don’t take the time to understand the complexity of the situation, and I’m not sure that it matters that they do at the end of the day.
People should just use what works for them. Nobody should try to be a purist about tools or entertainment. I’ve been a professional system admin for both Linux and Windows, and while I have an unshakable preference for Linux and open source software in general, I will use whatever tool I need to use. Fusion 360 is a piece of software that has been great for my CAD needs, but I’ve had trouble making it work reliably through WINE, so I just boot to a Windows installation on a SFF PC I keep around specifically for 3D printing stuff. No big deal.
