In an unexpected mask off “secure” email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton’s services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let’s collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

Edit:typo

  • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
    614·
    2 days ago

    I own and operate https://port87.com/, and in no way am I even close to right wing. I don’t call myself a liberal, and get offended when people do, because I’m a leftist.

    It’s not ready for business email yet, but it’ll work for your personal email.

    • XNX@slrpnk.net
      151·
      1 day ago

      This is cool but tbh having numbers in the domain makes it feel kinda sketchy especially for a business email, also i already wouldn’t use proton for business due to the worry of getting caught by spam filters so it would be much more difficult to use this, especially since its hard to know if you’ll be able to sustain the business for 5/10/15 years.

      Im glad youre working on it though and ill keep an eye out on your progress!

      • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
        6·
        12 hours ago

        For business email, you would use your own domain name, so it wouldn’t be an @port87.com address.

        Yeah, unfortunately Google and Microsoft basically have the power to kill any smaller email provider this way just by claiming they’re “spammy”. It’s a duopoly and probably should be investigated under antitrust laws.

    • m4m4m4m4@lemmy.world
      1·
      6 hours ago

      Not sure if you know this but with Gmail (and I bet that almost with any other email service) you can approach this - instead of the ‘-’ character you use a ‘+’ and set custom filters and tags for each ‘+’ you want. I’ve been doing this for ages with it - though as a third world person I can’t afford privacy by paying a third party subscription nor setting a home server and running local services 24/7 by paying more electricity.

      • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        12 hours ago

        Not yet, but I’m working on them right now. I’m hoping to have that done in a month or two. I just finished the user management and access control part of it.

    • secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world
      7·
      1 day ago

      I didn’t see in the “about” what jurisdiction (if any) you are incorporated in. I also don’t see if there’s any encryption at rest.

      This is important to me because in the US, the government can go to court, get an order demanding a US email provider to put in a backdoor, and then get a gag order so the US company can’t disclose it to users.

      And with open-source code, I end up trusting to some extent that the server code matches what is on github, so making it open-source doesn’t stop forced backdoors and gag orders if it’s based in the US.

      For someone whose threat model doesn’t include the government (someone not LGBT+, not Latino, not trans, a political moderate with average viewpoints who won’t be impacted regardless of who is in power), it’s not the sort of thing that matters. But for others, it would help to include that information.

      • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        12 hours ago

        It’s in California, and that’s where the data is stored. It’s not stored with end to end encryption, so I understand your worry, and unfortunately Port87 wouldn’t be a good choice for your needs if that’s not acceptable.

        In the future I might make the system work with locally hosted databases, so you would still use my SMTP servers, but everything else would be locally hosted. That’s probably a while in the future though. I have some priorities before exploring that option.

      • Bob@feddit.nl
        12·
        1 day ago

        I didn’t see in the “about” what jurisdiction (if any) you are incorporated in. I also don’t see if there’s any encryption at rest.

        You only get company names with “Inc.” in the USA as far as I know?