Musk:
-supposedly has autism
-autistic people sometimes make weird faux paus
To me, it looks like it’s clearly a Hitler salute and the logical conclusion is he’s a white supremacist. But I am just wondering if everyone else sees this that way with no room for it being a result of autism and definitely that.
Is there any possibility it could have been accidental? Or was he doing a Hitler salute, then “oh it was an accident” (wink) sort of thing? Did he apologize?
Lots of people on lemmy are really smart so I’m interested to read what people think.
The whole thing makes me really uncomfortable with buying from companies that have x profiles. I just don’t see how that coukd be accidental and it seems like no one cares.
There was this period before WWII when stuff started happening to reduce the rights of minorities, but they weren’t being killed blatantly. Is this where we are? I feel more scared to be in America now.
No. And here’s why:
ELON MUSK HAS NOT DENIED THAT HE MADE A NAZI SALUTE!
The closest he has come to a denial, so far as I can find over 48 hours after he made the gesture, is a deflective tweet mocking the people who recognized the link to Nazis as being uncreative.
This means one of two things: a. He doesn’t care that it is being construed as a Nazi salute. OR
b. He wants it to be construed as a Nazi salute.These two options very much amount to the same thing.
We will never know what exactly was going through his mind at the moment he made the motion. Regardless, even if Musk had somehow not initially intended the gesture to be a Nazi salute, he has transformed it into one by promoting that interpretation.
at first I thought it was supposed to be a normal hand over heart then doing a salute immediately after, but to do it TWICE then NOT apologize when people say it’s a Nazi salute means it is 100% a Nazi salute.
35 yo autistic person here:
I tend to ramble on and on when I am somewhat nervous, or excited and genuinely interested in someone or something, i’ll include too much detail that does eventually wrap around to connect to all the points I am trying to make, or story I’m trying to tell, but it can be laborious for a listener to make sense of.
I will often interperet things people say so literally that I miss or forget the context that the conversation is taking place in which gives a word or phrase a specific meaning, and have to ask for clarification.
Saying goodbye and ending a conversation is always either too long and drawn out, or abrupt and curt to the point of often being interpreted as rude, even though I don’t mean to be rude.
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I do not have a tendency to do a goddamned nazi salute unintentionally.
Thats uh, a pretty unambiguous, obvious social ettiquette rule, pretty binary, pretty cut and dry.
Also, if you did, you would likely be mortified and doing everything in your power to make sure nobody mistakenly takes you for a Nazi.
Because, you know, you’re not a goddamn fucking Nazi.
Yep.
He absolutely knew what he was doing. His fans thought we were being hyperbolic when we said he was a fascist a decade ago. His fans are idiots
No. In my opinion.
He has demonstrated a propensity for political action up to and including world changing meddling in democracies.
His person demands enough yearly salary from Tesla to cure cancer.
He cites history and in my recollection claims no ignorance of history.
It may be technically possible that it was a faux pas, but it is not feasibly a faux pas and is inexcusable even if it was one.
If he did it once, it would have been an extremely low but still non-zero chance that it wasn’t a Nazi salute.
He did it twice though, it’s now firmly a 0% chance of any kind of coincidence, misunderstanding, etc.
Thus far he’s made no comment, not even to deny the Nazi intent.
No apology, no backtrack, no denial, he did it twice.
It was exactly what it appeared to be and nothing less.Thw twice in a row is meaninfful because that’s how the Nazi’s do it?
Because it clearly was an intentional gesture.
If it’s twice, it’s not a random twitch or awkward wave. He sieg heiled the front and the back
The main issue is that his heil combined with his previously expressed opinions and actions removes all doubt
No
I mean sure. EVERYTHING has a non-zero chance of happening/be possible. Doesn’t mean it’s likely, or believable.
There’s a chance someone has forked the blueprints of Nikola Teslas blueprints for a mind control device, and has been controling Musk for years. Just making him do/say whatever.
I’m not saying it’s a good chance. I’m not saying I believe that to be true on any level. But I suppose there’s nothing truely stopping that from happening.
it has nothing to do with being autistic, however he was fucking zooted on ketamine during ceremony. I doubt that he’s ever sober as of lately.
Drug usage can fuck up people good or bring out what’s hiding real deep in them, see Kanye’s story with nitrous. And that’s precisely why he’s dangerous, he is powerful and deranged at the same time.
I guess if I am nit-picking, it’s very hard for a statistician to claim anything as having a zero possibility… of course a statement like that helps no one. These are my actual thoughts:
non-zero possibility
It is technically possible that Musk’s gesture was not a Nazi salute but rather something that looks similar. Fun fact, this is something that happened with S. Korea’s Megalian hand gesture issue (for example see this case: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2621gzvkdo), where ppl found the gesture in a lot of unexpected places. However, the Megalian gesture is a pretty common hand movement, whereas the Nazi salute… I mean I guess it could happen due to a really bad out-of-context dance choreography?? But that clearly wasn’t Musk’s case
“But I am just wondering if everyone else sees this that way with no room for it being a result of autism and definitely that.”
… I mean maybe?? I have weird Autistic intrusive thoughts sometimes but even then this is a bit… Honestly though, I don’t know if I should put any respect to someone who willingly know what a Nazi salute is, and then choose to do it in front of one of the most important political events in the world, twice in a row nontheless. I find it hard to believe such an act to be a faux pass and non-intentional. Heck even if it is completely unintentional, this would be ground for job termination and put on a blacklist for life for most job positions I know
“Is this where we are? I feel more scared to be in America now.”
Yeah I know… I seriously wonder why I am still in the US as well.
Honesty here. The autistic argument is really offensive to people with autism, I asked a friend with high functioning autism about his opinion. It mistreats the condition to transform it into a political scapegoat. It misrepresents what autism is. Elon is not autistic, he’s is just a narcissist and always high on ketamine. I’ve met dozens of autistic persons, and not even once has anyone ever done the Nazi salute on accident, not even on highly euphoric social events. To suggest the autistic apology makes the person mentioning it sound awfully ableist and like an asshole. I suggest you don’t ever mention it out loud to anyone ever again. It’s insidious and dehumanizing against people with cognitive issues.
i wasn’t trying tonbe offensive, sorry
when i viewed it, it looked like a nazi salute
but based on reactions and a lack of extreme across rhe board condemnation, I wondered if there was some strange explanation that wasn’t apparent to me
Musk says he has Asperger’s, a type of high funxtioning autism i thought (but may be mistaken about). I just thought this could be the only possible explanation for such unusual behavior if it wasn’t just white supremacy, and even then it seemed unlikely to me.
I’m also not that knowledgable about autism. I just have a hard time understanding the mild reaction it’s getting.
There’s a mild reaction from media because media conglomerates are on board with the plan. Commentators made up the autistic apology immediately on the spot, because they’re ableist and assholes themselves.
It’s like media excusing sexual predators because they had a rough life growing up gay and similar excuses. It’s a double whammy, excusing the offender in the public light while simultaneously demonizing a minority. It’s a playbook neo fascist move.
Not likely.
No.
The only way his autism is related is if he overestimated how funny it would be. But he 100% meant to do a Nazi salute. Twice, and then repeated a dog whistle to the 14-words.
then repeated a dog whistle to the 14-words
I missed that part. What was it?
“It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured.”
For reference:
“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”
Ironic source on the definition you’ve for there
First I’m not sure if he’s autistic or just saying “I’ve got Asperger’s so I’m allowed to be an asshole and you just need to deal.”
But let’s assume he is…
High functioning autism is not associated with involuntary Nazi salute gestures. It’s also not associated with the inability to learn the significance of the gesture.
So if autism is somehow related, then how would it be?
Well the “nice” option is he is going full 4-chan troll mode thinking it is hilarious without processing just how bad it is.
The other option is that he thought he did a credible cover to blow a dog whistle, but was unable to process that he was blowing a tuba instead.
In short, even if it was because of autism, it still almost certainly means it’s still quite on purpose, so it’s hardly an excuse that makes things any better.
Even if he mistakenly blew a dog tuba there seems to be very little long term damage caused, partly because our news cycle is saturated with equally disturbing behavior from others in positions of power
Have you actually watched it? It was clearly a fascists/nazi salute. People who say otherwise simply don’t want to admit it.
I did watch it and it scared me. No companies are cancelling twitter accounts, no one is crushing their Teslas into a cube, everyone just seems apathetic (except AOC)
This. It’s the new litmus test for Nazi apologists.
I thought it looked kind of like he was flailing like an idiot. If it was a nazi salute (which is definitely possible) then it was a poorly done one (which tracks for him).
