Wouldn’t you believe it, everything insults them, everyone is against them.
Then why is conservatism still the most frequent mental disorder!?
John Stuart Mill has this to say:
“I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. Suppose any party, in addition to whatever share it may possess of the ability of the community, has nearly the whole of its stupidity, that party must, by the law of its constitution, be the stupidest party… It may be said that if stupidity has a tendency to Conservatism, sciolism, or half-knowledge, has a tendency to Liberalism.
I have grown appreciation to respect some conservative ideas. As I grow older, I see why some look for stability. There is plenty of good debate when it comes fiscal responsibility and gradual reformism, but this doesn’t mean I would reject lgbt rights or support gutting welfare. But yes, generally stupid people seem to gravitate in the direction of conservatism or right.
PS. As a left leaning person, I also agree with Mill’s point about liberals but that is a different topic for another time.
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The problem with this current sect of conservative cultists is that even though they claim to like those few halfway decent ideals, they actually don’t, because they give zero fucks when elected Republicans actively do the exact opposite, and conversely if a Democrat did what they claim to like, they’d be furious.
Maybe the closest sane conservative politicians in America are in Alaska. They are Republican for a long time but they have ranked choice voting, and universal basic income coming from oil revenue. I can’t remember the details but it was before the pandemic that both Republicans and Democrats agreed on a progressive policy, thanks to ranked choice voting that force politicians to compromise.
There is a small conservative Texan town that embraced renewable energy, which contradicts the stereotype that they are not progressive.
There are exceptions of course but if you sit down with both conservatives and liberals, both would actually find agreement on many things. It’s mainly that politicians intentionally divide people.
Lemmy is even worse. Can’t have any other opinion then what aligns with the leftist bluesky people or you’re down voted into oblivion. There is no room for nuance or a civil discussion. I don’t care I’m gonna be down voted and the orange man has some good ideas. I’m not from the US. Have a good day.
Not the lefitsts fault that Nazis suck.
WOW! Nazis are worse than leftists, but both of them suck. I’m not from the US too, anyone care to explain?
Your comparing people who want trans rights and universal healthcare to people who want to shoot pregnant women in the back of the head and load their children into ovens and gas chambers.
You people are only listening to your own echo chamber, sniffing your own farts all day. Bunch of snowflakes.
What’s your point?
That lemmy is way worse then reddit. There is some nuance and room for discussion over there.
I left reddit because I was banned for saying “People can vote.” I find more nuanced discussions and less censorship here, it’s just that in a free non-corporate space conservatism is just an unpopular ideology when one of their leaders does a Nazi salute at the conservative winning presidential inauguration. But go ahead, put on your boots and uniform and maybe your Father will give you a medal for owning the libs.
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I havent used bluesky so i cant say for sure, but i would be surprised if people on bluesky werent closer to center than lemmy
I’m gonna say that I’m happy for everyone to have their own, public and community run social media. Those without harmful views are welcome to participate in discussions, and those with harmful view may be banned but eventually mature past those harmful views by being outside of elon/Russia misinformation chambers.
I worry that all banning does is push people into the echo chambers that started this whole thing to begin with. We don’t want assholes causing problems for everyone, but locking them out only deepens their resolve.
Hard disagree. We come from a time where there was no place for everyone to share their views, people were okay. They had their bubbles (they were called pubs) and read their newspaper.
Then we formed one place for everyone to be (or a couple walled gardens) and those started getting people riled up and fighting. But it was the algorithm that loves engagement (eg fight) that drove them apart.
I love the idea of being back and in the pubs where you can just be with your friends and you just dont go to the nazi pub.
Yes, banning is great. Free speech absolutism can suck my cock.
Fascism wasn’t invented on social media. Neither was imperialism, monarchy, or slavery.
Wonderful example for my point. I dont need to listen to trolls. I can just ban them.
Edit: one addition. I always check if someone does usually make sane posts and we might just disagree here or gotten off on the wrong foot. But being a lazy human I love an account with no posts and more than a thousand comments in a couple months. Definitely no troll, no sir! ;)
Okay buddy.
Just don’t consider at all whether the better option might have been breaking up the Nazi pub, I guess. Anyone that disagrees with your rambling point is just trolling, obviously.
and read their newspaper.
Even at the height of yellow journalism, the results were better than what we have now. Newspapers have to write for a mass audience. That’s much less effective than the algorithm-driven micro-targeting we have now.
Exactly. Thank you for chiming in. People haven‘t the faintest what antisocial media does to them.
We come from a time where there was no place for everyone to share their views, people were okay
Counterpoint - mainstream discourse and consensus was way more bigoted in the 90s, and the rise of the internet probably had something to do with that changing.
I dont think your point is valid.
Yes, there were a couple (less manipulated) news papers that drove popular opinion and it was easier to bury information. That part I‘m with you.
But the „mainstream discourse“ did not exist until the huge platforms came up. Germany didnt read the new york times and hans müller did not talk to john smith back then.
As I mentioned in another comment: yes, informarion spreads a lot faster and is practically unstoppable which is awesome. But nowadays you can bury it in disinformation. Especially without fact checkers, mods and using bot armies.
The initial point was that banning/blocking (users) is a great skill since we can exclude parties we deem unbecoming to our neighborhood. This is called freedom of association and a central pillar to the fediverse, which makes it crazy resilient.
I have silenced bigots who were undermining people saying trans rights arent human rights. This is the world I live in.
Sometimes I use another account and verbally beat up bigots. But in my daily life i surround myself with constructive content. You dont need to do the same but I can tell you it is very nice.
It just seems like you’re saying that things were better back then, because people had less ability to express themselves, but regardless of the logic about what affects what, they objectively weren’t better, and because of that your point doesn’t make sense to me.
I do see that you can only view it that way. I‘m sorry but thats nothing I can change.
I did say (and mean) that its great to be able to ban people from your feed because you dont want to hear their shit. Thats it. Yes, you can try to mental gymnastic that into „old is better“ but its not real. That just happens in your head.
Again, I love the fediverse and federation is awesome. But federation is not forced and that is called freedom of association. I dont need to talk to anyone, i dont need to listen to anyone. I can choose who to talk to.
Some people - i call them bigots - like to suggest that people need to listen to everything. That is bullshit. Its how brainwashing and gaslighting works. The reason we have issues with out current media is because you can be forced to listen/see stuff you dont want to. This is a dystopia if i have ever seen one.
Another misconception is that whatever political adversary chose to be radicalized and driven insane (think fascists and theocrats). Thats not the case. It is constant ingoring of their personal boundaries by bigots who tell them that god is their savior and immigrants are the enemy. If you take away that influence (or give people the choice to do it themaelves), they will come back to sanity.
Therefore, the fediverse is fantastic as it is. Banning, private instances, individual moderation or not, etc. Everyone who says different is either naive or a bigot.
I’m thinking mostly of when you said
We come from a time where there was no place for everyone to share their views, people were okay. They had their bubbles (they were called pubs) and read their newspaper.
I’m not sure how else to interpret that, seemed pretty straightforward, that your argument hinges on the idea that the internet allowing people to share their views made things worse, but feel free to clarify
Every once in a great while the people of Reddit do the right thing and I’m proud of every one of them that took a stand. Even the BBC is calling it an awkward gesture and they aren’t owned by right wing billionaires in the US. Not ONE media news org here has called the obvious. Sanewashing. Wish I’d never heard the term.
I will play devil’s advocate. Media outlets are scared of being sued for defamation or scrutinised for what may turn out to be misleading news. That’s why there are always referring to “sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity” or adopt a mild language to refer to something. But if I am a news publisher, I would describe Musk’s gesture as “appears to be Nazi salute” or to that effect. It is still calling it out as it is, but I would still have plausible deniability.
I see your point … Fear of retribution through the FCC is now a real thing. This is how it begins though - first they ban free speech and any dissent and then the ones that still stand up will be disappeared.
Plus it’s likely that if you post any criticism of Musk whatsoever you get a lawsuit automatically. That’s what rich people do. They can afford it. Its like having a VPN or an alarm system on your house. They send their lawyers.
The biggest issue is that the media is focusing on just this one incident in specific. They’re acting as if whether or not musk is a nazi hinges exclusively on if it was meant as a seig heil or not.
Ultimately his nazi salute is just the latest in a very very long line of racist and intolerant shit he’s said, done, and perpetuated. Regardless or whether he seig heiled or not, he’s still a nazi.
Lemmy has already been affected. It’s actually worse than Reddit right now in my experience.
In what way
Cries about propaganda inside of a propaganda sub. r/Conservative users are an incredible bunch.
They need their safe space away from all those bullies 😭
Goodbye conservative, you will not be missed
Let them come, they may learn something.
Good one
Picture of text. Much mad.
I think stormfront registration is still open.
Redshit as usual.
I read some of their garbage. They are in total denial as usual. They think it’s all bots, apparently can’t comprehend that so many people would be revolted by nazis.
Of course. They can’t accept that they’re the weirdos.
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“Thing That Obviously Exists and Has Existed Historically Isn’t Real”
.ml complaining about being an echo chamber. I didn’t realize today was comedy day all around the political spectrum.
If you block Amoxtli then about 90% of conservative posts go away.
I prefer to tag rather than block so I can still call out/down out their BS
Also don’t forget that Kaboom guy too!
Kaboom’s account is from reddthat where they disabled down votes. I don’t think they have any clue how rejected their opinions are. Talk about snowflake.
If I picked an instance without downvotes for my agenda-posting account, I think on some level I’d know there were grumpy clicks headed my way
Thanks for the tip! Checked their post history and promptly blocked them.
No need to brigade other people for disagreeing with you. If their views are harmful, their community will get banned by lemmy.world so it’s not your problem.
My screenshot is literally of harmful misinformation
community will get banned by lemmy.world so it’s not your problem.
LMAO I’ve been waiting for that to happen for months
It’s hateful bs, but it isn’t harmful. It’s a stupid take on a current talking point from the orange admin. It’s not picking on anyone. Wait for the actually harmful stuff, like misgendering people and racism and simply downvote this particular dumbass comment. (I’m going by the headline / subj, as I’m already exhausted from this week’s bullshit.)
The kind of misinformation I posted a screenshot of (which btw is an actual “article” they’re spreading around) is how the groundwork gets laid for the “actually” harmful stuff, so in essence it is harmful because it will enable them to do far more harmful crap later. Or rather allow them to get away with it.
Ok, but it’s also easily debunkable, and you can’t moderate away stupid. What they posted isn’t illegal misinformation according to EU law. I’d rather they do their misinformation in a community here than on Twitter or Truth Social.
Lol, the sub seems to be completely blocked on my instance. Hell yeah
My instance doesn’t block very much, so I made sure to block that one myself.
Yeah, but the feed is full of actual articles like “Climate change is real and there’s so much proof” and “Clarence Thomas wants to end freedom of the press”
Welcome to Lemmy, shitheads, have some facts.
Oh they would get shit on so hard kinda would be nice to see
Funny, that’s exactly the inverse of how I feel anytime I check in on Reddit, but I was subscribed to a lot of conspiracy subreddits.
They didn’t used to be like that 😢
r/thedonald really was a plague.
