I was going to post this as a comment, but it was in an anarchism community, and I figured some sections of it might be unacceptable there. Hence, new post.

Here’s a guideline of how to interact with cops. There are more or less three modes, depending on your read of the situation. Cops are not always the enemy or the maniacal whole-job-is-making-evil thugs that Lemmy sometimes makes them out to be. It really is bad for people to get mugged or their cars broken into, and they’re the solution our society has come up with to minimize the amount of it that happens. It’s not always a bad thing.

If you find yourself talking to the cops, there are more or less three ways:

  • They’re there to solve a real problem. Someone’s car got broken into, someone got beat up. Just talk with them. Tell them what you know, help them figure out the situation. In almost all of the US, their effect on the problem will be positive, and it’ll be a lot more positive if they have a good grasp of what happened. If, in your opinion, the person they’re trying to catch really did do something that warrants a law enforcement response, then give them a hand. Use your judgement as to whether that’s warranted of course, and your impression of the justice level in your local area, since it varies quite a lot in the US.
  • They’re there for you. Shut the fuck up. Don’t say a goddamned word. It doesn’t even matter if you didn’t do it. Don’t explain. Shut the fuck up. Be polite, obey lawful orders, definitely don’t fight them or you’ll get a felony and might also get injured or worse, but tell them that if you’re suspected of a crime, then you’d like to talk to a lawyer, and you have nothing else to say. And then, shut the fuck up and cooperate. Maybe you want to go as far as “Were you shoplifting?” “What? No. That wasn’t me, man.” But any further explanation than that, just leave it alone. Definitely don’t make something up on the spot, to make yourself sound innocent, if you did do it. For the love of God, don’t do that.
  • They’re there for someone who didn’t do anything wrong. The reason for this post is, anything and everything with ICE and immigration falls into this category. Some things with local cops will, also. Just be unhelpful and simple. No, I didn’t see anything. I don’t know. I’m not sure. Be vague. Don’t get creative, keep it simple, don’t refuse to give your ID or otherwise antagonize them or commit minor crimes of obstruction, but just do your best imitation of someone who just fell from the sky. “So you’ve NEVER MET your neighbor. Your neighbor across the hall.” “Nope.” “Are you sure?” “Yeah, I don’t know.” “I mean, she gave us your name, she said she’d talked to you.” “I don’t know, I don’t remember that.” Don’t embellish. Don’t explain why. Just calmly let the silence linger and the pressure build up, without adding extra words.

Like I said, everything with ICE or other immigration authorities falls into the third category. No exceptions. Everything. The same applies with any type of federal law enforcement, I suspect, for the next few years.

  • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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    Your same source also includes charts of reports versus clearance rates (i.e. arrests and prosecution) of all types of crime categories.

    https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend

    Compare how high the grey line (prosecutions) is compared to the reports (blue line) for:

    • Drugs
    • Shoplifting
    • Bribery
    • Prostitution

    Versus, say,

    • Motor vehicle theft (just to name an example for no reason at all)
    • Burglary
    • Destruction of Property/Vandalism
    • Credit Card Fraud
    • Theft From Motor Vehicle
    • Larceny
    • Rape

    The clearance rate for shoplifting is higher than rape.

    More shoplifters. Get prosecuted. Than rapists. What does that tell you about priorities? Think about it.

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      Yeah… I mean, we can talk about it. The clearance rate for drugs is near 100%, because of course it is, because it’s going to be very rare for drug “report” to go into the system for any reason other than that a cop found drugs on the person, and then promptly arrested them. The clearance rate for car theft is basically 0% (okay, you got me, that is perfectly fair I admit, you’re probably not getting your car back until the person’s done with it). There are crimes where it’s naturally a lot more difficult to find the person, but you do know that it happened, and those are going to be the ones with lower clearance rates.

      Like I say, we can talk about it and whether that’s the specific explanation for any particular crime’s clearance rate, but you’re changing the subject away from the idea that you said “real” crime was this tiny minority of all the arrests, but it’s not. If you want to switch to talking now about how they should be arresting “real” crime as an even bigger majority percentage than it is, then sure, you might have a point, but that’s different from what you said before.

      I am also entertained that there’s a category for “Treason,” with 0 reports and 0 clearances in it.