EU absolutely is a country.
Not really. I think the whole internet should be accessible to everyone.
Do I think Americans are often obnoxious online? Yes.
Do I know for a fact their big tech corporations are equally as evil as the Chinese ones, no matter how much their propaganda tries to convince me China is worse? Definitely.
Is Xwitter a blight on society that only got worse since an out-and-out fascist bought it? Of course it is.
But closing ourselves off from the world is not the solution.
What I would support would be stricter regulations on data collection and algorithmic manipulation, because those things are bad no matter who is doing it.
I would support heavier tariffs on foreign big tech, because if they’re going to use our people as a resource, they should at least pay up so we can put that money towards taking care of our own.
And I would support a government program to incentivise home-grown technological solutions, because digital sovereingty is a concern, and the only solution is having our own shit.
No. That wouldn’t solve anything. What is needed are very harsh punishments for companies abusing their power / position, instead of the slap on the wrist they currently are.
It would achieve diversification of the social media landscape.
It would remove the possibility of feed shaping algorithm bias for mass manipulation, and back doors for spying and sabotage.
At least anything that has anything to do with Trump or Muskyboi, yes.
I am a big proponent of free speech and the merits of free access to information.
Or at least I was. I’ve always known that bad actors with control over your information input can do an awful lot of damage. I used to think free and open access was the best choice. But seeing how a few companies captured the entire social media environment and have swollen to near-total monopolies and then how those same companies have shown themselves to be bad actors with malicious intent I have changed my opinion. Banning them would help slow down the flow of info sewage into the EU and encourage more competing companies to form. We need that since the EU can’t break up American companies. So if new companies were ever to be competitive we need to remove the giants from the pool and commit to breaking up any that get too big.
I know I’m not the target of this question, but as American I’d like to see the reverse. I wanna see more non American social media in the US.
I’m americana and would definitely support a ban of American Social media in my country.
Chilean here, yes.
naah fuck that, I think the internet should go back to being as unregulated and wild as possible
People have lost their minds because of a recommender algorithm and echo chambers. Ai agents are going to tear us to shreds.
That means no big platforms, but instead smaller niche sites.
If big US tech companies exist, we can’t have a wild and free web.
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No. But a ban on algorithms would be nice.
Allow me to take some worry away: Pornhub is canadian.
Oh yes! Build Lemmy entirely from one line of lambda calculus.
While we’re at it, the vegans can stop consuming inorganic chemicals.
;-)
I bet you actually know what I am referring to ;-)
I do. Algorithms to target media to people according to individual data, typically for outcomes that benefit the company and advertisers rather than the consumer.
And I know that people against ‘chemicals’ in their food, are meaning industrially manufactured chemicals, typically for increasing appeal of the food with decreased cost, rather than fot the health of the consumer.
Still, the method to sort a list is an algorithm, and salt is a chemical, and salbutamol is a drug - and whilst I’ve gotten used to the latter two in “oh no I don’t want this” parlance, using ‘algorithm’ to mean only that sort of algorithm still feels a bit absurdist to me.
I hate how in common parlance “algorithm” has become synonymous with “recommender system”, when it’s so much more basic of a concept. But whenever I used to gripe about it, or inform people of the more specific terminology back on reddit I was downvoted. So thanks to you for bringing it up first.
I suppose you got downvoted because it’s such an ‘Um actually it’s GNU/Linux’ thing to say. You are surely technically correct, but most people understand what’s implicated and don’t appreciate a know-it-all correcting them.
For myself, I don’t care. I just learned a new name for social media algorithms with ‘recommender system’.
most people understand
I dunno, maybe? For me it still seems like a different shaping of the language, that some people now use and I haven’t got used to yet. And there is value sometimes, I think, in reminding ourselves that such and such a concept has wider meaning or application than one particularly common one.
Twitter is not a social media anymore, it is a propaganda platform. There are regulations for media in civilized places. Twitter does not respect the law, thus it shall be banned.
If it were up to me it would be seized, because there is a public interest to this platform. Seizing it to make the algorithm transparent, fair and legal.
I really hope the EU will ban it, but I’m afraid they will ask firmly for “some changes”, and claim victory over whatever “small change” is in reality. Their investigation took too long and the lead was replaced already. Then they will declare that “recent events and information were not taken in account” and go on for another N years of investigations.
Sadly, the EU recently did exactly the opposite, by taking Twitter off the DMA VLOPs list for lack of a large business user base dependent on its services.
Practically Musk cratered it in order to snap off of what he sees as shackles.
I’m from the US and live in Japan and I’d still support it. I don’t think it’s the solution, but putting all the big ones in time out would at least allow competition and allow finding means to address the real issues (paradox of intolerance, balancing free speech with some way to handle disinformation and the like, and probably more I’m not thinking of).
I heard there is talk of a projects for the EU to increase its digital sovereignty. Now would be a great time for those projects to come to fruition.
As for me, if this means that there’ll be an EU-wide reboot of Hyves, I’d be thrilled. Extra so if, on the back-end, it works on a Federated system.
I’m all for free speech but when it’s heavily skewed and unfairly moderated I support a ban. Facebook, Instagram, Reddit and Xitter should just be removed.
From the US as well, as I’m sure you meant. But just for extra emphasis.
Nah, I’m from Iceland maaang
No no, I mean that you would support removing those things from the US as well as non-US locations. Sorry unclear.
Oh, gotcha, yeah, shourd be removed globally if possible and replaced with a fediverse alternative that doesn’t promote fear mongering shitposts
Considering they’re being actively and without denial used to fuck us over, yes. I’m not going to play the censorship card. The US is now no better than Russia, there’s no reason we should treat them better. US platforms are now literally an offensive weapon, Musk already started riots over fake news and is directly and openly meddling in our politics. This shit needs to stop. Just like we blocked RT news, this needs to go.
It’s in the same vein like Trump threatening military action against Greenland. Trump is literally committing extortion under the treat of war. The US is an actively hostile nation that targets everyone including their own allies. Like what the actual fuck? How did we get here? We need to decouple from the US as soon as possible. I’d go as far as compare the US to a ravid animal on the international stage, I’m absolutely mortified by what’s going on.
I’d support one in America lol
