I will think back to threads like this every time I wonder why Democrats never achieve anything meaningful and the country continues to lurch toward fascism. You all seem to be more interested in team sports than actually having principles and expectations for your own party.
We fucking didn’t. Not voting for Kamala isn’t supporting Trump, it’s just rejecting genocide. If democrats passed progressive policy and stopped a genocide, they might have had a chance, but they’d rather lose the elections to a fascist than actually pushing progressive policy.
There were no actual leftists on the ballot in every state that campaigned beyond the election year. Kamala was the realistic option. It’s perfectly reasonable to be conflicted about voting for someone because they’re the lesser of two evils, but there’s nothing rational thinking a leftist or faux leftist candidate that only shows up during election years had a realistic chance of winning.
Exactly, so you make it clear to the democrats in the meanwhile: either you move to the left, or eat shit. They decided to do the latter. Now start blaming them for the loss and move towards organising labour and political orgs
70+ million people decided to show up even though it made them feel bad. I’m going to blame the people who stayed home because voting made them uncomfortable.
I’m a leftist, and I do not, nor have ever, supported Trump. I just didn’t support the other genocider, either. Because I have principles that I stand on, one of which is “Never give support to genociders”.
Why isn’t Harris’ inaction part of the problem? I mean, she could have said,“You know, genocide is bad, and when I take office, I will end all support for Israel until they agree to an immediate ceasefire?”
She was never President, so we’ll never know. Trump literally said he was going to “finish the problem” but you didn’t see any problems with letting him take office. How do you defend that decision?
I will think back to threads like this every time I wonder why Democrats never achieve anything meaningful and the country continues to lurch toward fascism. You all seem to be more interested in team sports than actually having principles and expectations for your own party.
The “leftists” on here literally supported Trump. Their reason doesn’t matter, they’re fascism-enabling Trump supporters in every way that matters.
If you didn’t vote, or if you didn’t vote for Kamala, you helped Trump get elected. That’s not politics, it’s math.
We fucking didn’t. Not voting for Kamala isn’t supporting Trump, it’s just rejecting genocide. If democrats passed progressive policy and stopped a genocide, they might have had a chance, but they’d rather lose the elections to a fascist than actually pushing progressive policy.
There were no actual leftists on the ballot in every state that campaigned beyond the election year. Kamala was the realistic option. It’s perfectly reasonable to be conflicted about voting for someone because they’re the lesser of two evils, but there’s nothing rational thinking a leftist or faux leftist candidate that only shows up during election years had a realistic chance of winning.
There is no “conflicted” on whether or not I should support a genocider. How well do you sleep at night, knowing you supported a genocider?
Who did you support then?
Exactly, so you make it clear to the democrats in the meanwhile: either you move to the left, or eat shit. They decided to do the latter. Now start blaming them for the loss and move towards organising labour and political orgs
That is absolutely not an excuse.
70+ million people decided to show up even though it made them feel bad. I’m going to blame the people who stayed home because voting made them uncomfortable.
Genocide and the lack of anything to look forward from the policy of their country made them stay home
Let’s be real, the vast majority of the what, 70 ish million that stayed home probably didn’t even know what day the election was.
To your point, yeah, a bunch of people wanted to bury their head in the sand to feel better about themselves. This reality is the result.
I’m a leftist, and I do not, nor have ever, supported Trump. I just didn’t support the other genocider, either. Because I have principles that I stand on, one of which is “Never give support to genociders”.
I’m glad you feel good about yourself. Your inaction is part of the problem.
Why isn’t Harris’ inaction part of the problem? I mean, she could have said,“You know, genocide is bad, and when I take office, I will end all support for Israel until they agree to an immediate ceasefire?”
She was never President, so we’ll never know. Trump literally said he was going to “finish the problem” but you didn’t see any problems with letting him take office. How do you defend that decision?
Harris said she supported Israel, unwavereringly.
So, true, we don’t know for sure. Would have helped if she said she’d end US support for the genocide, if she won…
No it wouldn’t have. You’d have fallen for some other propaganda designed to get you to stay home.