When I mentioned that all this went down for a mere fraction of what everyone else paid, her immediate reaction was: “Well, isn’t that what China does with just about everything?”
Neo-Liberalism: Let’s hire anyone from anywhere, just the best candidates no matter what, no other values but who we can extract the most value from. Let’s also take money from the government and lobby them to defund themselves and the country’s services to give us even more money.
Oh wow! How does China steal our tech?! Why wasn’t the government funding education and security to protect us?!?
deepseek is not stolen tech, it was trained using novel innovations that western companies were not doing
I thought the innovative part was using more efficient code, not what it’s trained on.
thats capitalisms dark secret. Its only innovative when it has to be.
@deranger @theunknownmuncher the US trying to stifle Chinese progress/stop chip exports has had exactly what anyone could see. China is making leaps and bounds in all sorts of tech areas, innovating around obstacles
https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.20304 they invented their own reinforcement learning framework called Group Relative Policy Optimization
EDIT: deepseek publicly released and published the model and methods to the global community, and there is now an open effort by researchers to reproduce them https://github.com/huggingface/open-r1 it is like the opposite of stealing
Yeah the original comment in this chain more describes US Telcos and shit, not this particular instance.
That’s what they said basically.
Like. You can compile better or more diverse datasets to train a model on. But you can also have better code training on the same dataset.
The model is what the code poops out after its eaten the dataset I haven’t read the paper so no idea if the better training had to do with some super unique spin on their dataset but I’m assuming its better code.
Im guessing you have never done business in China.
Do you want my boss to ask me who I voted for and who I pray for? Are you crazy? That’s not their business. They HAVE to hire based on the value they’ll give to the company
You’ve distilled your own ignorance, not reality lol
Its only Ignorance if it comes from the Ignoramus region of France. Otherwise its just called sparkling stupidity.
Downvoted for misinformation, Ignoramus is in Italy
This is the third time I’ve seen this exact image used in relation to this. First was a YouTube video, second was a mastodon post, and now this. Not sure who started it, but I feel it’s kinda racist and just shitty. I get the reference, but it’s nothing more than “haha, asian guy that was on computer stuff show”.
Why do you people get offended on our behalf for even the most minuscule thing. What’s racist about it? On the contrary, it’s fucking awesome that some Chinese manage to do this with a meager sum in such time. Why would I want people to use a non Asian person to represent an Asian guy?
my taking offense isn’t even because of the race mostly. it’s because they are saying it’s a clone of o1. Of which it is not. That’s some very good development that’s been done and open sourced so anyone can use it for free which is being overshadowed by the fact that it happened in China and not 'murica
What’s racist about it?
It’s because people the meme states that DeepSeek didn’t accomplish anything novel. That the real innovation was done in America with ChatGPT. And there is a narrative that the Chinese are not original, but only really good at copying other people’s work often using inferior parts. That last part, while not explicit in the meme, is in the culture.
My understanding is that what DeepSeek did was novel for the training data it used l. However, there are some experts who question the ability to train the model using the limited budget they claimed and their understanding of the field would require far more processing power. I think there’s a non-racist and racist way of interpreting and answering this question.
Edit: it’s also important that this is a shit post.
You can decide if this post is racist or not. https://lemmy.ml/post/25316007
Saying company A copied company B isn’t racist. Those clsims are made all the time. This is really digging to make it racist.
That’s not the part that I was claiming was racist.
You said
What’s racist about it?
It’s because people the meme states that DeepSeek didn’t accomplish anything novel. That the real innovation was done in America with ChatGPT.
You literally said claimed that as what was racist about it…
Again, companies being accused of copying isn’t racist. You made it racist by injecting the countries they were developed in and bringing in stereotypes.
Yes. Those are the first two sentences of the paragraph. But the idea is contained in the paragraph which describes the process from those two sentences to racist idea.
I think your other claim is better, that I was digging. But I think in today’s environment racism is rarely explicitly. It is implicit and easily denied. It can also be unintended. And I think those claiming it’s racism can be wrong. And even in failing, can legitimately point to something in the culture that conditions the interpretation of statements like this.
What was more important was describing the process.
It wasn’t just the first few lines, it was the direct answer to the question though, that was my sticking point.
I get how racism can be deep under the surface, like a sort of “shadow racism” but I think assuming there’s racism at play can be damaging as well. I get where you’re coming from, I guess I just don’t agree with the arrived at point.
His character tried to make cheap Chinese knockoffs of all major platforms and products.
Deep dive is a cheap Chinese knockoff of ChatGPT.
It’s a good joke, Bront
It’s not really a cheap knockoff though, it’s a revolution in efficiency. It proved that you don’t need $100m to beat the best models if you show a bit of ingenuity
It’s like building a boat to cross a lake when everyone around you is trying to use their car by adding tires to increase buoyancy (nvidia are the ones selling tires)
It’s a better joke if you interpret “cheap” and “knockoff” very literally.
wow so much of chatgpts perceived value comes from hyping it up? how would we have ever guessed.
I love how it being inefficient seemed to be its biggest selling point too lol.
Wait, it’s not going to use up all of the world’s resources? Nevermind, I don’t want that.
The bloat and complexity was a feature.
How were they going to get the government subsidies and tax breaks if it was simple and didn’t take a whole nuclear plant to run it?
I love how they open sourced the model.
… and it’s time to rewatch Silicon Valley again.
Their BitCoin rigs that only mined when it was cost efficient hit a little different now
Ah… Fuck. I just realized, so does Gilfoyle’s edgelord racism.
Those first 2-3 seasons are amazing
But so anxiety inducing! I always felt like 5 minutes after any victory, we’re back to heart attacks.
NVidia would a not let me burn garbage.
Eric Bachman, this your mother. You are not my baby!
Is your refrigerator running? This is Mike Hunt.
“Ok, if I decide to do this, I’ll need an unlimited supply of Xena tapes and Hot Pockets.”
Who else got fooled by the multiple slides thing
Is it not sliding for you?
It works for me
Is that a hot dog in the last image?
Ohhhh you have to press on the image first 😅
Not working for me. Just get first image
New ChatGPT
who dis?
New New ChatGPT*
Chinese ChatGPTWhy are you clapping me, I’m wrong? I thought everything on the board was “chinese facebook” etc, but infact, the guy I replied to is right.
How do I make Canadian chatgpt?
Make it in a quebeqi strip club with a bunch of Université de Montréal students, while eating poutine and drinking maple syrup in milk.
The only music allowed in the background is Tech Death with fretless bass or gorguts. Basically any band that Forest has been in. Canadian Content rules apply.
Also, the source code must be billingual. (ENG/FR, OBV)
STUPID EDIT : No British Colombia(ns) allowed, what is this, a movie? That also includes Archspire as background listening.
EDIT2 : That’s people from the province of British Colombia or use of British Colombia as a location; British people from Colombia or Colombians from Britain are allowed as long as they are currently living in a non British Colombia Canadian Province.
You’re telling me a country that could give a flying fuck about international patent law copied and replicated something? Say it ain’t so.
fuck altman! like he cloned and boiled down everyone elses knowledge to his stupid llm. just a google figured out a while back: everyone can always make a better AI. just drop your grandmas cooking receipes in there and bam you’ve got the bigger dataset.
americas bitchin and wining is so maga. can they maybe just shut up or dumb down to orange? the orange said “i see it as an asset” - go watch the imbecile in his pressconference on monday. dumbo thinks a chinese corpo that killed 1tn $ is an asset to him.
we all just can praise deepseek for proving once again that most americans are below 3rd graders.
This is how the US AI-dev sector decides to proceed at flank speed without safeguards towards friendly AI, leading to a robot apocalypse, sparing us from climate-crisis-induced famine!
I feel like the robots have already earned their leadership
Welcome robot overlords etc etc
Increasingly I feel like our only hope for the future is somehow achieving ASI and that it somehow is benevolent in spite of our numerous failings as a species and KT basically starts manipulating us or directly controlling us away from self destruction.
There are so many doomsday scenarios on the horizon that if it ends up being evil we may at least be able to take it down with us.
That would make for a good movie.
He saved so much money by training it on a corpus of Erlich Bachman insults
Every time I read Erlich’s name, I hear Jin Yang struggling to pronounce it.
