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I haven’t seen too many conservatives on Lemmy, but Bluesky is a fine example of how if you deplatform and cut off the oxygen of fascists and leave them talking to themselves, they really do fade into the background.
I also like how Lemmy has the “modlog” at the bottom. If conservatives are being treated “unfairly” you can see what got them banned and decide if the mods are being fair.
I hadn’t noticed that before! I like that feature.
So much harder to manufacture consent without centralized gatekeepers
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You clearly lost that fight
its an ongoing battle
That makes me wonder, what comes after decentralized gatekeepers?
They really are fragile folk, they need to diminish others in order to feel important and special.
Projection. Look at what they accuse and see how it applies to the one saying it.
also conservatives are snowflakes lmao
But you are important and special!
Y’all jock ride VC money interests too much
I like this.
I think it should be Mastodon & Lemmy though.
Bluesky isn’t even on the Fediverse. It’s private corpo.
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And do what? I’m assuming you’re not inciting violence there, friend.
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Holy shit that’s rude. Wow.
Ah, it makes sense now. Looking at your comment history you’re just an edge lord who talks big about murdering people and calling people pussies who won’t “grow up” and murder people.
And you’re really insulting for no reason to a lot of people. Not sure why you feel the need to be that way. I bet you’re not that way in person to people though. Keyboard safety and all that.
You’re the kind of person I wanted to get away from when I was on Reddit. But it’s inevitable at least one of you all would seep through over here on Lemmy, of course.
Thanks for showing up as an example of what a sympathizer looks like
That’s a bit of a stretch lol. But good try.
I definitely wouldn’t… stand in your way, let’s say. But come on. 🙂
Nazis are dangerous people who support dangerous ideologies, including straight up genocide.
They deserve everything they have coming to them.
This guy is definitely inciting violence, judging by their post history. They’re also really fucking unnecessarily rude from time to time. Goddamn edge lord.
Weird comment, dude.
How so?
Just had to block someone that said wanting a democracy and not supporting a dictatorship was “Chasing perfection at the cost of the good”.
haha goddamn
Reminds me of a meme template.
🤣damn
But why blocking? That person does not just disappear, and if all non insane people block them, they don’t see that most disagree, but thinks all agree
People tend to feel foolish sitting in a room lecturing nobody, I don’t think you should be worried too much about this, these people crave compliance and acceptance, they cannot function without a community to vampire off of…
That’s wild given a dictatorship has the whole issue of succession, even with a perfectly benevolent leader they gonna die one day.
Well, bluesky isn’t the fediverse, but the point stands.
You’re correct. But blue sky does support federation, just not the same protocol as the fediverse, right?
Federation with what?
BlueSky does not support federation in any way that we understand the word.
It is 100% reliant on the corporate server(s). They do offer a way to host your own data, which solves a singular problem with corporate media, which seems to be what they mean when they promote it “supporting federation.” Is also has an open codebase, which is something.
As an aside, I have read in some places that self-hosting is very straightforward, and in other places that it is prohibitively difficult. I have basically no idea about any of these things.
I’m ignorant af tbh 😅 Thanks for the clarification
I think Mastodon would be what you’re looking for.
Part of their marketing seems to be to create confusion about it. Bluesky uses the language and values of the fediverse to promote what is essentially another closed network. Meta is also doing this with Threads. Bluesky seems like a chill place and a lot of decent people seem to be very happy there, and they provide a lot more user controls than other networks, so the comic definitely still works.
Bluesy is a business, Mastodon is a community tool that runs on the ActivityPub (same as Lemmy which is what we are talkin on).
It sort of depends on how you define fediverse. If you mean things using the ActivityPub protocol and are federated with Mastodon, Lemmy, etc. then no, it’s not part of the fediverse. If you mean anything using federated technology then you could possibly include it. https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/federation-architecture It uses something called AT instead of ActivityPub. I’m not personally aware of any other services or instances using it, but I also didn’t look very hard.
Edit: I learned that the term AT Protocol uses for their version of fediverse is “atmosphere”. So I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s part of the fediverse, but the context of the usage matters.
Right, but you can’t run your own instance so there’s nothing to federate with.
https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting
Edit: After digging in a bit, I believe the thing most people would consider as “running an instance” would be an appview and/or relay. Both of which they claim are ready, I just haven’t seen any. I think that part of the disconnect is that in ActivityPub the roles of what AT Protocol calls PDS, Relay, and AppView are all handled by a single instance. A PDS stores canonical data, a Relay aggregates PDSes, and an AppView is a UI reading from a relay.
https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds?tab=readme-ov-file#what-is-the-current-status-of-federation
That lets you host your own data. You cannot host an instance. You must use the Bluesky app with your PDS.
What’s preventing you from running your own Relay and/or AppView?
From what I’ve read, that’s not possible, at least not yet. Currently, everything must go through their relay and it will only “federate” with PDS’
I haven’t looked deep into AT stuff tbh.
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The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.
But this meme really suits the current climate of Shitter and the US politic system
Your argument breaks down at “conservatism” there is no nuance to being a fascist or fascism supporter. “Oh I don’t really like how he’s racist and I don’t really like how he treats women, but I support the tax cuts” Bitch, that’s the BAIT, you’re now supporting fascism because you were baited into it with your greed.
Extremism is bad yes, but you are assuming that is everything I can vote for. Politics is a spectrum and I know the US doesn’t see it, but in the end I vote in a country where I can vote on over 100 people from like 40 different parties. Same for when I vote for the EU.
I believe that the lack of nuance is part of the problem why I think the US lacks in the compromise department. No there is no defence for extremism, but if you don’t have any good options to vote for then you choose for the one you think is the least bad.
Exactly, I only see this kind of vapid dogma in the good-ol USA
Politics is all about nuance & constant concessions
Right up until it becomes about hurting and not accepting people for no good reason and blaming the victims of the inveitable catastrophic consequences, which is one of the only ideologically consistent throughlines through modern conservatism the world over.
The actions of a few shouldn’t punish the rest. Yeah extremism is bad and that is where Nazi’s and MAGA fall under (or Geert Wilders here in NL), but that doesn’t mean that every party that has a more conservative view on the world is inherently bad.
And that is where I stand, but there are rarely parties that are centered enough in the spectrum to follow my view on the world.
Yeah so the conservative parties you support and think more highly of are VERY much about conserving the precious natural landscape we all live in right? To be ideologically consistent valuing nature and strong environmental law enforcement would have to be at the top of their list right?
I don’t support conservative parties? I am more politically right aligned, but also more progressive. Stop assuming shit about people
I am not talking about your particular politics, I am pointing out the basic, desperately fundamental contradictions modern conservatism has, the world over in many different countries and in many different contexts, between the stated values it purports to defend and pursue in politics and policy and how the impacts of those actions do far worse to violate those values, drag them through the mud and violently destabilize society while simultaneously empowering criminal thugs and grifters far more than any foreign threat or adversary could do. And what does the average person get for that betrayal of decency?
The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.
I think by basically beating the conservatives out of the platforms it allows for this nuance to be expressed. Allowing them to hang around with their bullshit and disinformation leaves everyone fighting to establish basic facts and sanity and makes political discussions as tiresome as those that happen on an American presidential campaign…basically DEMOCRAT BAD, WOKE BAD, REPUBLICAN DADDY GOOD, BIG STRONG REPUBLICAN DADDY FETISH.
I like that they can’t debase and pollute every political discussion here.
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Then why have any discourse at all.
There’s no need for two-sided discourse on Nazism. It’s a settled subject.
I thought this was about conservatives.
As was established earlier in the comment chain, conservatives are openly allied with Nazis now.
A Nazi did the Nazi salute in front of every conservative in America, and not one of them repudiated him. So don’t play dumb.
Potato/Potato.
I’m not going to allow my feed to be populated by toxic hateful assholes, and I’ve reached the point of zero-tolerance for folks who try to suggest that anything of value is lost by blocking them.
Social media is NOT the entirety of human existence for most people. We have many, many opportunities in life to interact with and be exposed to people and opinions different than our own. Further, toxic assholes are toxic assholes, and although there is some heavy overlap, not everyone I disagree with gets a block, not even most. 90% of people I block I have never interacted with, I block them based on how I see them interact with others. And yeah, one whiff of maga is insta-block.
There is no argument about creating “echo chambers” that moves me. Folks who want to be down there throwing elbows with the cult of 45 and similar whackjobs are welcome to do so. When I go on social media I want to read and engage in reasonable discussion or I want to consume things that are being posted.
It’s not some kind of virtue to let trolling fascist assholes or similar shitstains to pollute the online space I make for myself when I have the tools I need to remove the taint.
Well, at the rockbottom, the only function is to shame and ostracize hateful conservatives who threaten the safety and acceptance of said community.
Hopefully it is much more than that, but even that is enough to be worthwhile.
So it’s about winning a propaganda war, not attempts at mutual understanding for you?
It is about protecting innocent people from hateful bigots, I am sorry if you can’t understand the threat they pose, but I understand it very clearly.
There can be no basis for mutual understanding with people that define their politics upon hurting other groups of people.
I look forward to having intellectual conversations with conservatives after they become too afraid and ashamed to dare to speak their hate out loud in public spaces and they go back to pretending to not have batshit crazy hateful views…
The conditions for an intellectual discussion I define quite reasonably as you are not actively espousing beliefs and realword policies that preclude the existence of safe spaces for vulnerable groups like trans kids, black people, muslims, women, immigrants of any legality or origin, and the poor in general.
safe spaces
Safe spaces with strict rules are great and necessary. Not everywhere can or should be a safe space though.
Not everywhere should be safe? Oh please do explain 🍿
Tell that to a scared trans kid, or an immigrant trying to gain a citizenship in the US and live the american dream, or tell that to a woman who has to wait until she is precisely almost dead for a lifesaving abortion.
Nowhere for these people is safe (especially since this a global trend) because conservatives support policies for the sole and explicit reason they hurt people in these categories to the point that they will hand everything away to the fifthy rich just for the privilege of knowing a trans kid is going to be denied lifesaving healthcare and acceptance.
Shame on you for talking so flippantly about safe spaces in such an atrociously cruel moment.
I spit on conservatives, their views are destroying my country at a rapid rate and it is just a disgusting ideology full of thinly veiled childish fear and hate.
People who aren’t cowards protect innocent and vulnerable people, conservatives specifically target those people because it is easy to punch down at them and get assholes to like you for it.
God, imagine that… we switch to federated and the Nazis can no longer hide behind “Just asking questions” and getting the site admins to bully people.
Well the issue also is that nazis could prosper in here. If they had their own instance I fear there would be a massive delay before every single instance defederates
There are plenty of nazis already using fediverse tools, Truth.Social is just stolen Mastodon software, the reason you don’t hear about it is they are losers and nobody wants to hangout with them.
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You only have to talk sense.
If Conservatives were capable of being reasonable, could process reality, and acted in good faith, then they wouldn’t identify as Conservative
lol. you just got here, huh?
mastodon:
Compared to Bluesky, pretty much yeah 😅
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Lmao, maybe don’t make memes about things you don’t fully understand? Bluesky isn’t even the Fediverse or decentralized really— and it’s owned by venture capitalists. Mastodon, like Lemmy, is open-source, open-standard, and actually decentralized.
From the outside, this kind of response almost comes off as weird corporate propaganda. Even if that’s not the intent, it’s still a bit cringe—why take this angle?
I was on and off sending this reply as a whole, when I read this comment it put a bad taste in my mouth, and having nobody mention it, I decided I might as well send it.
While I’m glad knowledge is being provided, but, the way this was phrased looks like you are trying to gatekeep joy and quite frankly given the meme is pretty ironic.
No need to be so serious. You can make your point without insulting the meme or the OP, and you can definitly do so without laughing at the OP. I don’t think this was your intent which is why I ended up sending it anyway,
The general ideology of the meme is there, and while not 100% correct it’s understandable and carries truth(which is both platforms punish trolling). Which is honestly all the matters.
i have no ill will toward OP. but this is a post in a politics sub about conservatives leaving the privately owned business that is run by a literal nazi—i am going to be serious and let them know that bluesky is also privately owned and capitalistic. i didn’t make my response until OP called mastodon a “joke.” OP is free to respond and say they didn’t mean to take this angle or were unaware—and if they did i would apologize and take everything back.
but this isn’t about “joy.” people are dying. mkay? mkay. good talk.
It’s not that these groups are full of true liberals, it’s that much of the population isn’t tolerant of lies and misinformation. So it seems that “conservatives” are being targeted.
Conservatives are often so completely full of shit it isn’t funny.
So you’re telling me that Trump didn’t actually turn on the giant spigot and single-handedly extinguish the California wildfires?!?
I’ve seen people be objectively correct but assholes with their delivery and get fucking blasted on here. Regardless of politics I’d youre a prick you get vibe checked.
As it should be. I’m tired of lying and “alternative facts” being the new normal.
Even correct and real facts delivered in an intentionally backhanded way can fuck off for all I care
That too. Oh! And double speak…
I rather tolerate honest pricks
<nobodyAsked>I’m still unreasonably salty about getting bodied into negatives after pointing out that the fusion research coming out of the National Ignition Facility is just nuclear weapons research.
That’s what Laser Inertial Confinement is, it’s a very contained implosion bomb. Their role in the nuclear stewardship program is the first thing in their damn “about me” page. Gah.I wasn’t even (all that) rude about it, its just really hard for some people on here to accept that their understanding is flawed (myself very much included)</nobodyAsked>People bandwagon, they think it’s funny to make the number go down even if it doesn’t deserve to. Although I have come back from negative to positive.
I’m a person who likes to learn. When I find out I was mistaken on an issue and why, I sometimes feel briefly embarrassed for being wrong, but in the end I appreciate knowing more and like to share the truth with others. I feel like I can approach people from a place of familiarity, empathy, and compassion and help them understand something they did not before.
I feel like there’s a lot of people here who share that mindset, and when we see someone intentionally trying to manipulate others by knowingly spreading disinformation, the other, less-compassionate side of us shows up to the party.
I’d absolutely rather take the embarrassment of being corrected, over the embarrassment of being wrong consistently.
Oh yeah. It’s a temporary thing, but I wasn’t going to pretend like it’s not a thing and say I’m instantly excited when someone proves me wrong without any kind of hit to my ego.
We have instinctual emotional reactions and if we pretend we’re 100% above them to the point they don’t exist it makes it harder to empathize with others.
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We should keep them all trapped on twitter forever.
It’s a good containment zone for the trash.
If you see someone supporting Trump tell them to go back to twitter and block them
TBH I’d rather them leave Twitter just so Twitter doesn’t make money
the idiots peddling conservatism aren’t going to pay much to twitter and the advertisers who are staying aren’t giving them a fraction of what they Used to get
Twitter isn’t making money anyway
it stopped being about money a while ago, its literally a tool now, not a revenue source.
Or more accuratley, its a weapon, a weapon in the information war. being weilded by the Corpo-Oligarchs, the Fascists, the nazis, the Russian state, and whatever brain-worm is in Elon’s head on any given day. When Elon was forced to buy twitter, he obviously decided “fuck it, im going to use this to exert my will on the world then”. and then a year later, he was doing jumping jacks on stage for Trump rallies.
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