I know nothing should surprise me with these fucking people at this point, but my mouth still dropped open when I read that.
Yeah, because that’s not fascist behaviour. Fucking hell.
As a Canadian, It’s crazy how easy these two played the American left by starting a genocidal war and having musk and the oligarchs use all propaganda machines to turn it into the Democrats fault. And the left just ate it up despite how blatantly obvious it was. The left splintered and had a “no, YOU’RE the fake leftist!” Argument among each other while the right unified and laughed at you guys
I mean it seems more because Biden’s administration was hugely pro-Israel and consistently the destruction of Gaza and the death of Palestinians, and Harris started plainly her policy was the same. Harris ran on a campaign of telling parts of the left that they didn’t want their vote and courted mythical moderate Republicans.
And I voted for Harris, but this was by far a loss due to the Democrats abandonment of their base and what polling clearly showed people wanted change, irrational or not, just something different. Running on a same-as-Biden platform was a massive blunder.
The right is always unified. Blind loyalty to the team captain is their one positive attribute. Look to our own slimeball cons for similar - but properly muted because #canada - idiocy and worship.
I wouldn’t call it positive, but it is very successful.
It’s almost as if there should be 3-4 parties because not everyone in one party is going to agree about everything else that others in that party agree with if it’s supposed to represent 50+ percent of the population.
Great, I mean you guys keep saying this. I’ve been hearing it from Americans for decades. Maybe that’s the problem, you guys always have this defeatist attitude like “well if the system was better” well it isn’t, so work within it, or you personally get out there and work to change it. Otherwise there’s nothing you can really do but complain. You don’t get to just complain online about a lack of change, you actually have to go out there and help in some way physically
I never said I’m American, I live in a place with more than two parties. It’s not perfect but it’s a hell of a lot better than if there were only two.
Working within the system would mean to collectively vote for a third party with positions that aren’t as far right as the Democrats. This is why the goons of the system made so much effort to discredit this approach and tell people that voting “the lesser of two evils” is as good as it gets, while also hyping up the next election as the all deciding one, so no one develops long term political strategies against the Oligarchy.
if only there was a way for the democratic party to not be accused of sending weapons to a country actively committing war crimes . alas , it is the voters faulrv
Ah yes they were forced to send those bombs.
The genapos will never cease to gaslight people will they?
A belgian tennis player was recently complaining that his adversary was faking pain after he smash his face throwing himself on him and hitting him with his shoulder.
Maybe he was faking honestly, I saw the video and it’s not that convincing. But if you don’t wanna that kind of shit, don’t throw yourself on people. Tennis is not a contact sport.
And if you don’t want to be call genociders, don’t send bombs to a genocidal regime. It’s not that hard.
One day, decades from now, people will read about these men in the same way we read about Mussolini and Hitler. They’ll be reading with bated breath about the atrocities they committed and we’ll be asked by our grandchildren how was it possible to even happen. Hopefully they’ll live in a world where none of this would be possible and they won’t comprehend the evil and cruelty that we got to witness, they won’t be able to understand how so many millions cheered for these monsters. Come to think of it, I don’t understand why so many millions cheer for them today.
If it’s anything like Reagan, there’s probably going to be some revisionism.
Israel had invested billions and continues to invest record numbers every year into propaganda and desinformation, in particular revisionism of its own history. And countries like the US and Germany are helping them with it.
For instance in some places in Germany it was decided to make it mandatory for teachers to use a leaflet called “Mythos Nakba” - Nakba myth, which is claiming the ethnic cleansing of around 750.000 Palestinians before and during the formation of Israel in 1948 to be a “myth”. Of course this leaflet comes from an Israeli propaganda organization, with connections to the government funded “Zentralrat der Juden” - central council of Jews. The “Zentralrat” used to be a representation of Jews in Germany but has been usurped into a key organization of Israeli propaganda in Germany over the past decades, while continuing to claim to represent the mainstream of Jews in Germany.
This is particularly insane in Germany, where denial of the Holocaust is a common trope of the fascists too.
Nope, this turn in history will go beyond decades. We have entered the dystopian age where corporations will run or replace governments.
There’s no coming back for this one.
Corporations 1, people 0.
Another nail in the coffin:
Forget Chrome—Google Starts Tracking All Your Devices In 10 Days
Edit: fixed link
Your link talk about apple though ?
Ummm. That link is Apple
I seriously thought this was an onion article!
I wish it was. Sadly, the world is an extremely ugly place.
I triple checked the source and still can’t believe it!
Holy shit…
IF they had verified each individual target before detonating it could have been the single operation with the highest success rate for hitting actual militants and the lowest civillian casualties out of everything Israel has done lately, but instead they just detonated like a thousand pagers and pissed off Lebanon immediately after a US Diplomat came by to criticize them for escalating tensions in Lebanon.
Actually, it still might be. Pretty low bar.
I wonder if Trump’s Gold Apollo will blow up, too.
That last bit was my thought too, I ain’t taking a pager from that dude. Gold or otherwise.
That’s fucking macabre… And since it’s from Israel, there’s probably a bug in the pager too…
Where’s the kaboom? There’s supposed to be a kaboom!
Kaboom is lurking on the conservation Lemmy. Probably re-evaluating his life choices. Or most likely not, because that requires self-reflection.
“Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!”
That is twisted
Hopefully, it’s exactly like the originals and someone leaks the code.
Brb, programing an autodialer.
These ghouls are unworthy of the oxygen they draw.
C’mon man, there weren’t even enough green votes to pretend they mattered
So why give her a vote then?
Who did that? I’d like to meet a 2024 green voter
Holy shit.
Phew. Good thing we didn’t vote for Kamala.
/s
Go figure… Maybe those who stayed home and didnt vote made a conscious choice for “certain, quick, unpleasant end” instead of “slow, uncertain end”.
You do remember that this attack happened while Kamala was VP.
I would feel sick if the candidate I voted for was cheering Israel for massacring thousands of innocent people. May I remind you that the DNC barred the pro-Gaza crowd? May I remind you that Trump and Biden were competing on who is the closest Israeli ally?
Yep, having Trump as a president sucks, but at least my hands are not filled with blood.
As a transperson targeted by the Trump administration, your hands have some of my blood on them. I’m A-Positive about that.
Did you vote for Kamala? Or did you allow trump to get elected? Guess what, your hands are stained with innocent blood either way. Your hands fill up faster with trump.
I was not complicit in getting either of them elected. My hands are clean, and so is my conscience.
You were complicit in getting Trump elected the moment you didnt vote for his opponent.
Did he have only one opponent? Last time I checked there were more than two candidates.
You had a choice to make, either vote for one of them, assuming you’re American and can vote, or be complicit with whomever was elected. You can trick yourself into believing you had no impact on the outcome, but assume what I said earlier was true, you either helped trump get elected, and therefore have blood on your hands, or you voted against trump, and have blood on your hands, but less blood.
The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.
Hence why I said you had blood on your hands no matter what. This is where harm mitigation comes in, by not voting, you agree to whoever is elected, in this case trump who wants to further ethnic cleansing. This was the last election in the US as we know it. And trump isn’t a “tiny bit worse”.
Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.
I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.
this is an interesting stance. not a US citizen, but i live in a country where voting is mandatory. i assume you didnt vote?
There are not just two candidates in the US, although the establishment would prefer everyone to believe that.
right but FPTP kinda ensures third party is negligible until it becomes the ‘second party’ right?
edit: and also, i agree itd not youre fault, not trying to assess blame, just trying to understand the psyche of a (realistically) non-voter
Unfortunately.
This is prime “enlightened third party voter” meme material right here.
Must be nice in that ivory tower.
And this is prime “You didn’t vote for my shit candidate, therefore you are literally Hitler”.
It is certainly nice to not have blood on my hands.
A lot of these comments in this post seem insane but what it looks like is that non-principled people just can not understand principled people. The non-principled people hurt themselves (and many others) in their confusion.
Oh I didn’t say that.
I just find it amusing when folks claim that their conscience and hands are clean when they played a part in getting trump elected.
It was a decision telling of priorities, and sending a message, or maintaining a clear conscience, was likely deemed more important than the ramifications a trump presidency. That’s why I mentioned the ivory tower - I assumed that you thought you weren’t going to be too affected by a trump presidency? Either that, or you wanted to maintain a clean conscious despite that? The latter is admirable in it’s own way, but i believe less likely when looking at entire populations.
“played a part in getting trump elected” this is so vague though. Because I can argue that you played a part on getting Trump elected by voting for Democrats for the past 50 years.
The lower class has been dying. It’s either death by a thousand cuts or whatever Trump and his cronies are doing. The faster the death the faster the lower class will react.
So you can see that as the silver lining on Trump’s election.
“If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice” Rush-Freewill
I know my quotes too.
“There is nothing I dread So much, as a Division of the Republick[sic] into two great Parties, each arranged under its Leader, and concerting Measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble Apprehension is to be dreaded as the greatest political Evil, under our Constitution.” John Adams
"The two-party system teaches you that there’s a constant battle of good versus evil, when in reality, it’s just a fight for power.” Ross Perot
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.” Noam Chomsky
Want me to go on?
Indeed. But you must always remember that the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for God men to do nothing…
— Alucard, lol
You’re living with the delusion of clean hands and a clean conscious and you only had to sacrifice countless numbers of people to do it.
If I had voted for Kamala I would’t even have that delusion.
Isn’t this like shouting at the cashier because the supplier raised the prices?
Fortunately I don’t live under Democracy with American Characteristics (and may be I am missing something here) but I am pretty sure there is a huge machination behind the “sacrifice countless numbers of people to do it” that has nothing to with you or the person you comment to. Seems like you are on the same side.
I will be able to tell my grandchildren I voted directly against the horrors they will be* learning about in history class. No need for supporting arguments about how doing otherwise was a more genuine rejection of this fucked up system.
I will be able to tell my grandchildren I voted directly against the horrors they will be* learning about in history class. No need for supporting arguments about how doing otherwise was a more genuine rejection of this fucked up system.
So you did not vote for the government that facilitated the genocide in Gaza, and went above and beyond to protect Netanyahu, and fund his campaign of destruction?
The horrors did not start January 20, 2025.
Did you vote for Kamala? Or did you allow trump to get elected? Guess what, your hands are stained with innocent blood either way.
What is the point of this? You are saying the vote didn’t matter and berating the person for (your assumption) their vote at the same time.
You Americans need to unite, not squabble like this. Unless of course you are supporting Trump’s agenda, then it is good to squabble and make sure people stay divided.
No my point was about harm mitigation
I have been complaining about getting tricked by [email protected] several times over. Oh would I love to be tricked right about now.
Terrorism twins
