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    Sounds like everyone is going to have to upgrade to Notepad++, but honestly, why are people even using Windows anymore? Who even uses Notepad? I want to see those numbers—like, what… 5,000 active users of Notepad, and they’re probably just grandparents whose grandkids couldn’t be bothered to install anything else.

    Seriously though, Android, macOS, Steam OS, Android TV, Chrome OS, Debian, heck, Ubuntu, Linux Mint—so why are people making excuses to use Windows, other than because it’s on a work computer? Microsoft is lost in the sauce, like, “Hey guys, let’s make the operating system free and have people pay for Notepad.” You know what that sounds like? A car manufacturer giving away cars and charging to use the radio. When Windows became free, the quality became identical to the price.

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      I use Notepad on my work computer daily. I never save any documents, but it is handy for a quick copy/paste of info I need for a short period of time. We aren’t allowed to install anything on the computers, so it’s what is available.

      I could live without it, but I do find it marginally useful, basically as digital “scrap paper”.

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      Do you game? Cuz that alone is a solid reason to use windows. I know Linux is getting usable for it, but let’s be honest there is no more convenient OS when it comes to gaming and daily use than windows and you can’t tell me otherwise. I have tried to switch to Ubuntu or mint many times but it’s just not idiot proof enough for ur average how yet and I constantly found myself trying to troubleshoot issues I never ran into with windows. Yea I know Microsoft is the devil and all that, but they still provide the easiest to use OS out there!

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        Yeah, but have you seen the performance difference between Windows and Linux machines? SteamOS is absolutely crushing it when it comes to improving Linux, making it much more user-friendly. They’re even opening it up to other platforms, which is a huge win for everyone.

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        Yes, if your only or at least primary reason for using your PC is to play games, you’ll have an easier time on Windows. That’s an undeniable fact.

        However, that doesn’t mean you need Windows to play games. There is a huge amount of games that work on Linux, and outside of competitive MP games w/ invasive anti-cheat, VR, and maybe a couple other niches, pretty much everything works on Linux, though some games will need a few tweaks (ProtonDB for details).

        The more people that switch to Linux, the more attractive the platform is for game devs, meaning the more likely we’ll get official support for more games. Look at what has happened since the Steam Deck’s launch, we’ve gone from devs completely ignoring Linux to some games spending actual resources to support it. That’s phenomenal!

        If you want an alternative to Windows without all the crap Microsoft is shoving into it, Linux is your best bet. Consider trying it out, you may be pleasantly surprised.

        That said, if you’re uninterested, that’s totally cool too.

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        I game a ton and the only missing games these days are malware. I simply don’t play those games.

        https://areweanticheatyet.com/

        Daily use, however? Really? I have a completely ad-free easy to use experience, I actually give KDE to the elderly because it’s significantly easier to use for daily use outside of gaming.

        Most peoples usecases are limited and linux is legitimately just better for that, having ads in your start menu and file manager are terrible for people who don’t know what they’re doing.

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          Considering most mmos don’t support Linux, as well as some games anticheat breaking seemingly randomly on updates, on top of the better performance for Nvidia gpus on windows is enough reason for a lot of people who game to stay with windows

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            Considering most mmos don’t support Linux

            Only the ones that ship malware don’t work on linux.

            as well as some games anticheat breaking seemingly randomly on updates

            Yes, malware, kernel level anticheat is malware.

            on top of the better performance for Nvidia gpus

            This is almost completely resolved.

            I understand people want their malware, but we should call it what it is.

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              Not denying kernal level anticheat is essentially malware but for games that require it you have no choice, even running them on virtual machines doesn’t work in some instances. The nvidia performance has improved but is still a decent difference depending on the games.

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      Notepad is useful for saving a simple piece of info to your hard drive somewhere, it’s not a daily driver for code editing or anything. If I’m on the phone with some customer service rep and they give me some reference number, I’ll pop open notepad to write it down and save it.

      Seriously though, Android, macOS, Steam OS, Android TV, Chrome OS, Debian, heck, Ubuntu, Linux Mint

      Some of those are not competitors to Windows. Android, Android TV, Steam OS are installed on specialty devices.

      macOS is not a good OS. I wouldn’t consider it a better alternative to Windows. macOS often lags behind Windows in certain features such as tiling Windows. Apple is more hostile toward developers than Microsoft is and Apple ships their own versions of coreutils which are vastly inferior GNU coreutils and often totally out of date (Apple uses a build of bash from 2007 that was the default shell until the switch to zsh, and they STILL ship this bash binary today).

      For any other Linux variant, the answer is the same as it has been for 20 years: normies don’t install their own OS, and also only use their machines to browse the internet, so it makes no difference to them.

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    People at Microsoft doesn’t understand what people use Notepad for.

    If they wanted to add AI features, they should have added it to WordPad, and make it more modern / add some useful functions.

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      Exactly. Instead of doubling down on trying to extract profit from everything, they should go back to their old motto of “it’s the operating system, stupid” or “developers developers developers…”

      Microsoft should be trying to make their OS more attractive by providing more value, and then pushing for developers to release through their Microsoft Store so they get some profit after sale. Basically the iPhone strategy of making a solid base product, and charging for every additional app that gets installed.

      But no, they’re making the default experience suck more, which makes alternatives a lot more attractive. That’s… not how you maintain market share.

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    It should be noted that you can still use Notepad without a Microsoft account, and users can go as far as removing the Rewrite icon completely from Notepad. Despite the ability to still use the software without an account, Microsoft has received some criticism for implementing what is most definitely a paywall/advertisement for a built-in piece of Windows software.

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    After taking a look at the pictures of the article, I noticed “requires AI credits”. Credits?! What is this now? Some shitty mobile game? Really, Microsoft isn’t ashamed of anything anymore…

    I mean, I don’t know about Microsoft and windows, so maybe this is different, but the name sounds crazy!

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      Likely you’ll have to pay for some AI service, because the executives’ children cried after watching an old sci-fi, that “we can’t have intelligent conversations with out computers in 2016 in the real world, while in 2015 in the movie adaptation of Don’t Build The Torment Nexus, there was Torment Nexus the intelligent and smart computer”.

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    Used only in cases where everything else is not readily available… Pencil, pen, blood, boogers etc. But the most easily replaceable piece of software. Literally you could just paste into a browser’s URL box to do the same job. Lol. There must be some dumb fuck heading Microsoft right now.

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      It’s a lot more feature filled and frankly not very nice looking if all you want is a simple replacement for Notepad. Notepads (with an s) is much better imo.

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        Thanks for mentioning Notepads, never heard of it but it looks interesting. I already use quite a few different note taking apps, but still often start with Notepad when I don’t know where the info will eventually end up…

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      Is it though? I still always open notepad for random text stuff. What is better in ++?

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        • Keeps your progress if you exit without saving
        • Supports tabs so you don’t have 5 separate notepad windows open
        • syntax highlighting for programming languages and markdown format
        • plugin support
        • can handle extremely large text files (I’ve opened 50gb text files and used ctrl+f to find terms and it worked fine)
        • superb tools for manipulating text (e.g., use reg expressions). Super easy and flexible in making mass edits.
        • dark mode support. That alone makes it superior lol

        If you just need a quick window open to make a note you might actually prefer Sticky Notes over Notepad!

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            Specifically: tabs, dark mode, and retention of unsaved documents. They’re apps for very different purposes, but Notepad has had some nice little updates over recent years.

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          Just to point out that on Win11, Notepad also:

          • Keeps progress without saving
          • Supports tabs

          I use a bunch of text editors / note taking apps regularly (or semi-regularly) and Notepad is one of them (among others also Notepad++, VSC, Obsidian, Geany, Notion…).

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          Your first two points are part of Notepad now too. Everything else you’ve said is true though, including the find and replace function supporting regex. It’s amazingly powerful for editing.

          It also supports line numbering, which seems like a small thing but is really helpful.

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          +10000 for notepad++, its he swiss army knife of file editing tools. Adding:

          • Plugins: CSV being read as a small dB table you can query is a game changer. Or have a JSON plugin that auto formats and queries as well as opens the JSON in a clickable nested window.

          • Pinned tabs: pin important tabs, I use one as a todo list.

          • Search for text within files in a folder: need to find a specific bit of text in one of dozens/hundreds/thousands/millions of files somewhere? Its lightning fast and works a treat

          • Search and replace with regex: amazing feature, use regex patterns to find complex parts of your files and replace them with something else Bulk operations: remove newline, replace line breaks etc

          • Multi format support: see line breaks from different OSs like Unix and windows and amend them Portable install: you dont have to install it, you can use a portable version

          So much more, get it and you won’t look back.

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        Yes, it objectively is. And so are various other text editor options that are out there.

        But just speaking about Notepad++, you can scale it down to a very simple text editor (like Notepad), it you can easily ramp it up to a much more feature rich one. And for me, the ability to have a vertical list of files is a big plus. As is its ability to optionally show line numbers.

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          So it is better because it can do more, but I assume not too too much? Because then we can also use word?

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            They have different use cases. Notepad++ is for manipulating text, strings, and code. It’s got very powerful tools for it.

            Word is for making things look pretty. You can change typefaces, fonts, size. You can add pictures and diagrams and arrange them on the page.

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        the only thing I need it for is to select text vertically (by holding left alt). there are a few similar ones for linux but some crash and the rest don’t have a dark theme, so I still use it with wine.

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        Notepad++ isn’t trying to shoehorn in AI for starters. It’s clear Microsoft is praying the current gimmicky narrative of AI will let the masses not realize this is a privacy nightmare.

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          Notepad does that neither for me and has not for >20 years. So is there something that is actually better or not?

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    the news is more that they are trying to shoehorn AI in effing Notepad to make sure even those little snippets of text can be used for training

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    Notepad has long been a testbed for new technology in Windows. This isn’t just a sign of enshittification, it’s a warning that they want to do more.

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      The recent update was the first time in decades they’ve touched it. How has it ‘long been a testbed of new technology’ ?

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    My understanding of the different operating systems

    MacOS: One time hardware payment for their service (plus for every other device)

    Linux: Free as in price free and freedom

    Windows: 30+ subscriptions to edit 1 file, then cooldown till next day or upgrade subscriptions to enterpise version for a kidney/per user/per month.

    Title

    ChomeOS: Communism for the children, supported by the Education System

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      MacOS

      And you get the privilege of making that one-time $2000 purchase every 2-3 years when Apple eventually nerfs their hardware with bad firmware updates

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        Examples? Not at all my experience. I love my Linux boxes but every MacBook I’ve owned has lasted 10 years and generally is quick until near the end of that period. My iPhones have also all lasted longer than my Android phones with considerably more updates and security patches (supposedly this will be more on par now if Google doesn’t cancel yet another program).

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      CheomeOS: Let Google silently start tracking your kids until they are old enough to sell all of that accumulated data.

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      Apple heavily pushes their users towards iCloud subscriptions. More so on iOS than macOS but still.

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        Easy to avoid on Macs. Harder on phones for non-technical types. The bigger issue with Apple is I think getting data out of iCloud should you want to do something else. Their proprietary formats and databases (especially for photos) is kind of a nightmare.

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      imo macOS is better value than Windows. A Windows PC of similar quality to what Apple offers (built quality and specs) is not that much cheaper and with a Mac you get a ton of actually usable software included.

      Obviously FOSS still wins offering a ton of good software for free, lots of choice and the option to choose from hardware at any price point. But Windows is just bad unless you’re an enterprise user or gamer (and the latter is changing fast in Linux favour).

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        A Windows PC of similar quality to what Apple offers (built quality and specs) is not that much cheaper

        I don’t think that’s true, at least if we’re talking about hardware. The only thing that I think really makes this argument is the screen, because you need to go really high end to get the same quality screen (if it exists).

        If we mostly stick to CPU, RAM, storage, etc, then you can get a really competitive PC for about half the cost. I bought a decent ThinkPad new about 7 years ago for $500 (E series), which was pretty competitive w/ the Macbook Pro in terms of specs, and I still use it to this day. I didn’t go top-of-the-line, so the CPU was a little worse and it had integrated graphics, but I could absolutely find a similar build to the MBP for $1k or so, probably less. The MacBook Air and Mac Mini, however, is a lot harder to find a competitor for and I think their value is quite strong with that form factor.

        If we include software, then yeah, macOS offers a ton of value, since you get a decent office suite and a bunch of other utilities included with it, whereas w/ Windows, you just get trial versions of subscription software. So valuing the included SW in macOS vs Windows really depends on the individual.

        Windows is just bad

        Agreed. I only buy “Windows” laptops to install Linux on, and on my last laptop, I got a $40 discount because I told the sales rep I wasn’t interested in Windows and they gave that to me.

        That said, the value that Windows provides that other OSes don’t is compatibility. macOS can’t play Windows games, and Linux can’t play some games that work on Windows. If you need that compatibility, the value assessment is a lot different than if you could switch platforms without giving anything up.

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          Yeah, but if you look at the whole picture and not just specs, the hardware isn’t priced that badly. Like you said, a similar screen would only be found on high end devices and I would argue you can’t even get a trackpad that is as good as the one on a MacBook from any other manufacturer. You also get a pretty decent webcam and speakers and the aluminium chassis is exceptionally good too. If you don’t care about those things then I understand looking mainly at specs, but if you do these things add up to a really good user experience.

          Don’t get me wrong though. I don’t want to shill for Apple here. There are some things that are just obscenely expensive. The cost of RAM and storage upgrades is an insult. Or the Mac Pro wheels or basically anything “small” (adapters, the Apple cloth etc.).

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            Sure, if you’re looking for exactly what Apple offers, then they offer a decent value. But if you want any changes, you’re SOL.

            I personally don’t care about half the things they ship standard (screen, camera, chassis, trackpad), I really care about things they charge extra for (RAM, storage), and I like some things offered by other manufacturers (TrackPoint + mouse buttons from Thinkpad, repairability, keyboard feel, etc). I also don’t really like macOS, even after using it for years at work.

            For me, they offer poor value. For someone else, they offer good value. It all comes down to what you value.

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        Have you ever built PCs? Macs are significantly more expensive for the same spec

        The rest I agree with, it doesn’t help that Windows has been steadily going downhill with each new version…

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          Not really if you actually try to match the screen too. Good colour accuracy is expensive. It’s the best part of their products. If someone doesn’t need that then yeah, definitely better options.

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          I think macs are more comparable when you compare OEM PC to OEM PC. I’ve specced out a few optiplexes for clients and all have been over a grand each. I wouldnt spend that much on my own computer but I know how to pick a good used computer or build my own if I so desire. The clients just want a computer they can forget about for a decade and yell at Dell when it breaks so Optiplex it is.

          How much does a Mac Mini cost? $800 for a variant with 512GB of storage. Literally cheaper than a similar Dell Opitplex

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          I guess for desktops you have a point, especially if you build it yourself. I was thinking of laptops mostly and also considering the build quality and things like the keyboard/trackpad, screen and speaker quality. If you want something comparable running Windows the price difference isn’t going to be massive.

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            You can buy a top CPU laptop then upgrade or even pay to upgrade with high quality ram and storage modules and you would still be paying less than an equivalent Mac. Which you can’t upgrade of course, because the only option is buying as is out of the gate. No matter what Apple says, 32 GB of ram simply doesn’t cost $300, their pricing is meant to fleece customers.

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              Is there a particular model you’re thinking of? Not just the line. I usually find that Windows laptops don’t have enough cooling or make other sacrifices. If you want good cooling, good power (CPU and GPU), good screen, good keyboard, good battery, good WiFi, etc., the options get limited quickly.

              Even the RAM cost misses some of the picture. Apple Silicon’s RAM is available to the GPU and can run local LLMs and other machine learning models. Pre-AI-hype Macs from 2021 (maybe 2020) already had this hardware. Compare that to PC laptops from the same era. Even in this era, try getting Apple’s 200-400GB/s RAM performance on a PC laptop.

              PC desktop hardware is the most flexible option for any budget and is cost-effective for most budgets. For laptops, Apple dominates their price points, even pre-Apple-silicon.

              The OS becomes the final nail in the coffin. Linux is great, but a lot of software still only supports Windows and Apple; Linux support for the latest/current hardware can be a hit or miss (My three-year-old, 12th-gen Thinkpad just started running well). If the choice is between Mac OS or Windows 11, is there much of a choice? Does that change if a company wants to buy, manage, and support it? Which model should we be looking at? It’s about time to replace my Thinkpad.

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                Running LLMs is not a feature that 99% of users need or want. Look at all the AI laptops flopping in sales. People don’t care about RAM soldered to the motherboard to squeeze a milisencond on a feature they don’t use. It’s a money grubbing strategy, plain and simple.

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                  Did you purposely miss the first and last questions: Which laptop is the good value?

                  I never said people need to run LLMs. I said Apple dominates high-end laptops and wanted a good high-end to compare to the high-end Macbooks.

                  Instead of just complaining about Apple, can do what I asked? Best cheaper laptop alternative that checks the non-LLM boxes I mentioned:

                  If you want good cooling, good power (CPU and GPU), good screen, good keyboard, good battery, good WiFi, etc., the options get limited quickly.

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    So, turns out that they final push that convinced me to start learning Linux is the ol’ Text Document.txt of all things. Swear to God, I thought that it would be the automatic updates nuking my unsaved work (again), but here we are…

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        Gnome is an opinionated desktop environment and that turns some people off. But it’s bold enough to make some design decisions and have a limited scope. KDE tries to be another Windows alternative.

        Of course, you could go with a tiling window manager but my vote goes to Gnome. I’ve had a very smooth experience on Gnome for the last couple years.

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          Yeah, Gnome is like the Apple of the Linux world. The devs have the same kind of “we know better than you do” mentality towards design. The issue tracker is a lot of “hey the OS won’t let me do [edge-case scenario that an OS should be able to do, but which most users won’t bother with]” followed by the devs going “Gnome isn’t designed to support [edge-case scenario]. Bug report closed.” Like the devs have a very “it’s not a bug; It’s a feature” mentality, and anyone who runs into that bug must be using the OS “wrong”.

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            we know better than you do” mentality towards design

            And I agree with them. I think people should pick whatever desktop environment needs the least amount of customization for their needs. Keep it simple. If Gnome works out of the box, use it. If KDE works out of the box, use it.

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              This is Gnomes biggest advantage to be honest. They have a singular vision of how they want their product to work and they aren’t concerned with edge uses.

              I enjoy elements of so many DEs but I keep coming back to gnome because it’s just so well executed over the others.

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                Yeah my only complaints with gnome are the lack of system tray and the fact that sticky keys don’t work well

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            The devs have the same kind of “we know better than you do” mentality towards design

            It’s not “we know better than you do”

            It’s “we have a vision for the desktop environment”

            If you granted the user every little thing they wanted, you don’t become a better piece of software. You end up middle of the road. There are limited resources and by keeping a limited scope and having a clear idea of what you want to accomplish- you can do what you aim to do really well. Instead of being mediocre at a lot of things.

            My experience with Gnome- it does 95% of what I need a Desktop Environment to do (and certain things others don’t do very well). Some features like

            • Being able to push a button, start typing an application’s name, and push enter to start that application
            • Being able to push a button, and immediately see at a glance all of the windows I have open and quickly navigate to them
            • Being able to easily set keyboard hotkeys so that I launch applications and can run my own custom scripts with the push of a button

            Example- I have a script that I set to “Control+Num Pad 5” that opens up a Gnome folder search dialog. I navigate to a folder and click “Ok” and then 4 terminals open on my left monitor. Three small ones stacked on top of each other on the left, one big one on the right. Basically like a tiling window manager. This script has custom commands that run depending on the directory. If I open a react-native folder, it runs an Android emulator and neovim on the big terminal.

            Setting that script to a hotkey is as simple as going to “settings -> keyboard -> shortcuts” and just typing in the path to the script and the hotkey combination

            • Being able to easily run scripts on files and directories directly from Nautilus (Gnome’s file manager)

            Example- When I right click on a pdf file in Nautilus, I have custom scripts that I can run. One is “splitPdf” which creates a new folder called “split” and then creates n.pdf files where n is the number of pages in that pdf. I also have “compressPdf” which will compress the pdf as much as possible and pops up a notification showing you how much. I have one for .xlsx and .doc files called “printPdf” that converts those to pdf files.

            Those scripts can be whatever language you want, they just have to be executable, and you just drag and drop them into a specific folder ( ~/.local/share/nautilus/scripts if I remember correct)

            Those 4 things I think Gnome does better than any other default desktop environment I’ve ever used and I’ve used a lot over the course of my life. The remainder of the items (the 5% of stuff Gnome can’t do) I have found custom plugins and in one scenario it only took me a couple hours to write my own custom plugin.

            MacOS does #2 and #4 well by default (although it’s harder to write scripts with their clunky apple script language whereas with Gnome because you can just use regular old fish or bash scripts). With certain applications (like better-touch-tools or karabiner) you can get similar functionality as Gnome.

            Windows with Autohotkey does #3 although you have to again use a clunky language (even clunkier than Apple script)

            KDE can do #1 (search/launch apps), but feels slower and less streamlined than Gnome’s immediate overview. It does #2 (window overview) and #3 (keyboard shortcuts), but buries these features under layers of settings and inconsistent menus. For #4 (file manager scripts), Dolphin technically supports actions, but configuring them requires wrestling with clunky .desktop files whereas on Gnome you just use fish or bash or python or javascript or whatever the hell you want and stick it in a directory.

            In my opinion, Gnome is miles ahead of KDE and while it’s obviously not as polished as MacOS, it has accomplished so much more with its limited resources than a megacorp like Apple does.

            What I love is it gets rid of stuff that’s useless. For example desktop icons. What’s the point of having some directory on your computer that’s somehow different than all the other directories? So that you can clutter up your background?

            I 100% agree that desktop icons are an outdated concept and I love that Gnome got rid of them in order to focus on the fundamentals. It’s often not about what you add, but what you take away.

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        I want a clean, advanced, well designed desktop and Im okay with redoing my work flow

        Use Gnome

        Gnome is cool but can it be slightly more Windows?

        Use Cosmic (PopOS)

        I want lots of customization, advanced features, and a traditional windows desktop metaphor

        Use KDE

        I want Windows and don’t really care about customization

        Use Cinnamon

        Dude the Windows 9x look was fucking dope

        Use Mate

        Im installing this on a potato

        Use XFCE

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          Just try out multiple desktops in a live environment and see what you like before you commit. In fact, I recommend people to use a linux live session for several weeks or months before switching, just to get used to it.

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          This is always so unfair to XFCE. Sure it is low impact on resources but it is also very flexible and customizable. Most people sleep on how good it can be outside of the low resources need.

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        IMO:

        • want to show off? i3wm with gaps and rofi for menu launcher. Add it some transparency effects too.

        • want the MacOS style? Gnome. Default on a lot of distros.

        • want something stable? XFCE. Install and forget.

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              Plus RawTherapee and DarkTable are pretty good, and actually free, Lightroom alternatives to boot.

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              Lightroom mobile and web are not at the level of Lightroom Classic. It’s highly subjective but I enjoy the web version for quickly editing a few pictures, but for the management of my library which contains more than 20k pictures, no app is as good as Lightroom Classic. I tried a few ones and always went back…

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple does something like this too at some point in the future

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    It’s so stupid that they’re making these additions to notepad. There is a need to have a basic text editor on an OS that isn’t going to try to “help” by giving recommendations, automatically backs up files or whatever other shit they’re trying to jam into it.

    They had wordpad and if they wanted to add additional features into that, that’s completely fine. There are use cases for something that does a bit more than a simple text editor like notepad can do.

    My guess is that they tracked that people used notepad more often than wordpad so they removed wordpad. Then started making notepad more like wordpad without considering why people used notepad more frequently.

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      It is batshit crazy. Notepad was never meant to be what they are making it into. Not even WordPad should have AI nonsense. It’s just not for that. It would be like adding advanced spreadsheet functionality to Microsoft Word. It’s not what that’s for, you have Excel for that.

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        Sure but with Wordpad I wouldn’t much care if they spam it up with this kind of crap. It’s something that doesn’t have much use now, because there’s notepad for basic text files and Word or Libre Office for actual word processing. So if someone wanted something to type up some notes that get automatic backups, and have AI recommendations (not that it would be me, but who knows?) just put it on there so we still have a simple text editor that’s installed by default.

        If they’re going to enshittify something at least don’t enshittify the basic tools of the OS.