Protect my minors?
I don’t care if kids see porn.
If that’s the worst thing ever, justifying this invasion of privacy, whoop de shit. Let 'em.
There’s a lot worse on the internet. There’s a lot worse on daytime television. Blood and guts and cults and informercials. Desirable crude entertainment is obviously not worth locking down the internet. I mean for fuck’s sake, at least with “four horsemen” excuses, like terrorism and money laundering, people agree that those things are bad.
Yes, you’re right. But that doesn’t fit with their “think of the children” moral compass. Which isn’t even pointing the correct direction, but good luck convincing them of that.
I feel like my compass analogy isn’t the best, but eh.
A valid response to “think of the children” is “fuck them kids.”
It’s not enough to politely disagree. Some fucks need to be dismissed.
I like this
Let me child see porn or trust a porn site with their photo and IS?
I was never exposed to porn on the internet as a child, outside of advertisements and typing website names wrong. I never looked for it either, if a child is actively seeking it out, its up to a parent to deal with it. People should stop making laws to protect bad parents.
its up to a parent to deal with it
What a nice cherry on top of the hypocrisy pie. The party of “personal responsibility” and “small government” is perfectly happy when government is used to regulate sexuality and help out the irresponsible parents that don’t want to spend time monitoring their children’s Internet usage. Now young teens are going to learn how to use VPNs or just find the shadier sites that don’t give a shit about U.S. state laws.
Both of which would be adequately addressed by parents learning how to use the tools that are probably already built into their router.
Exactly. Screw everyone on both sides of the aisle that thinks this is anywhere near a good idea.
If you hate porn, be vocal about tools to block stuff you don’t like on your own network. Maybe even require ISPs to distribute that info to their customers. But don’t force anyone to do it.
It’s absolutely reprehensible that you think it’s okay for a child to see an infomercial
The thing is that by now, plenty of adults grew up watching porn when they were minors, and know that this hasn’t been harmful to them… so why are we even still getting laws like that, shouldn’t voters and their representatives know better by now…
It’s old white fossils trying to stay in power by getting crazy christians to vote for them.
These people are not results-oriented.
They are. Their intended result is just not the result they claim to want.
I’m stealing that for the next time I have to explain that I’m being held up by a third party not doing what they’re supposed to.
What about addiction? It’s not 100% but very possible
OK, so we should require everyone to present ID for anything that could be addictive? That’s some awful “save the kids” BS. Screw that!
If you want to prevent your kids from watching porn, cool, do that. But don’t force everyone else to ID themselves because you’re too lazy to actually parent your kids.
Being on porn sites all day is healthier than being on social media all day.
I’d disagree.
I mean, blood pressure and prostate health alone…
Sure, but thats not from porn, thats from jerking off. You should be able to do that without porn.
And you can live on food without spices.
What about it? Hell of a lot lore likely with caffeine and we don’t make you age verify when a kid buys coffee or tea or soda. If addiction occurs, that’s the jurisdiction of medical professionals and the person’s support network.
Freedom
“Verification is carried out by 3rd party”. Totally no potential to misuse of collected data.
Why no, they specifically mentioned it being highly secure
“Trust us, bro.”
See the lock icon near the URL? It says you’re secure so don’t worry bro.
Well at least it’s not going to the federal government so it should be somewhat safe
The third party has a very secure agreement to very securely sell data to 572 advertising partners and that is very securely being bought by the FBI.
Not that outlandish, since the FBI and the US police already buys advertising data streams to get access to data they are prohibited to collect directly.
It’s so bad there are already middlemen who buy data and compile it into products for law enforcement.
You forgot to mention that of course 253 of the 572 advertising partners consider their use to be a ‘legitimate interest’ under privacy legislation despite being nothing even close.
Privacy legislation? That sounds unconstitutional
INB4 SCOTUS rules Canada’s existence unconstitutional since it’s not mentioned in the original text anywhere
Isn’t ‘Legitimate interest’ a EU thing?
If it was last administration I’d say it’s just slightly annoying that our day was going to the federal government. But it’s admin…maybe not
I don’t want any administration to be able to. They should absolutely be able to buy it so long as they have a warrant for that instance of that individual or if the individual agrees to cooperate in that instance without coercion.
Make sure you cum on your ID first as tribute.
That sounds like a chicken and egg problem. How is the cum getting on the ID before accessing the porn? If you use another means, surely you will no longer be in the mood for accessing a porn site…
Hey the cum can be anywhere. It doesn’t say “only” a picture of your face.
For example, why not put a mirror on a table. Put your ID next to the mirror. Look down into the mirror and ready your camera. Then, slap your dick right on the table next to the ID. Finally, banana for size.
Fortunately, this is easy to work around, just get a VPN hosted in a didn’t different state or country.
We have something similar here in Utah, so I have a WiFi network that is always connected to a VPN in a neighboring state. If something isn’t accessible, I just swap WiFi networks and I’m good.
So what who cares. VPNs cost money and this is a question of basic freedom.
Free porn is basic freedom?
infinite porn is basic freedom
Not sure, but it’s very ironic coming from “the land of the free”. Every day there is an american coming out in the Internet with the classic “you don’t have freedom of speech”, and then they have to provide a driving licence for a quickie
Accessing it without violating your privacy is the issue, not the cost.
Seems like it became so, yea
But it’s more a question of anonymity / privacy while doing those things
The porn is just the first place they start, their plan is to label anything lgbt as pornographic and require a similar process to view basic educational content. This is how they get around the 1st amendment.
Which LGBTQ content is educational ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray's_Anatomy
You’re obviously baiting arguments, but I’ll take the bait because you deserve to get put in your place.
In case you missed the last month of US politics, not all women have uteruses, and not all men have testicles. Intersex people exist and they deserve human rights.
Clearly just woke propaganda /s
There’s a correlation between people who swallow stupid right wing talking points and people who were unsuccessful educationally. It may be unproductive to take your rhetorical question literally and attempt to provide factual information in response.
Oh yeah I do see the slippery slope of this whole deal, the only thing that irked me was the wording of this comment as if xhamster is a basic human freedom, but I find that a little odd since xhamster and pornhub steal from sex workers to provide it “for free” y’know.
But with the banning of books and trans people unable to get in or out of the country… It is fucked up and scary.
I mean yes? It’s just videos of naked people…
There are free VPNs as well, such as Proton’s free tier, or Tor. So you’ve got options.
But yes, I absolutely agree that this shouldn’t be necessary. My point is that it’s largely unenforceable if you put in a tiny amount of effort.
Honestly, these laws are just gonna hurt old men in Republican states. Like, I grew up with piracy, torrents, and old school forums. These educated me on computers enough that I made a career out of it. And most of that computer knowledge was gained because I wanted to see big tittied women sit on each other’s faces. These laws don’t stop horny teens from accessing porn. It just makes them better at it.
And this is definitely not one of the cases of “oh it’ll reduce numbers overall though”. No the fuck it won’t. It’s porn. They’re gonna access it. Literally every YouTuber they watch is sponsored by a VPN.
The only healthy thing to do is actually talking to your kids about porn. Educating them on its potential harms. But Republicans don’t ever want to talk to their kids. Ironically, these “drain the swamp” people just want daddy government to “prevent” their kids from accessing it. Which these laws don’t do.
Honestly, these laws are just gonna hurt old men in Republican states.
You know I think a lot more of their politics and general life outlook makes more sense when you understand that probably a lot of these super old guys are not computer literate enough to look up their niche fetishistic porn interests, and are probably still consuming porn the old fashioned way, which is becoming increasingly nonexistent even though it’s still something that actually exists. Plus the propagation of morally puritanical values means that if they kept any of that material around at all, they’d be hypocrites, so they can’t have that. Probably a lot of these dudes are walking around super pent up and sexually frustrated, I’d bet.
We need to introduce local community college and library courses to teach these elderly boomers how to goon
I think your theory is partially correct. But I think it’s just as likely they are gooners themselves. I feel like porn addiction (gooning) is more prolific which people that have reactionary beliefs. My theory is that their political leanings are a counter to their actual actions. I don’t think the gooner needs “material” to goon to. I think in it’s absence it will happen through a Macy’s magazine etc.
It’s similar almost to priest being the most common pedos. I think these types of conservative/reactionary ideologies just create sexual suppression that manifest in addictive behavior. This is not to say that all conservatives are pedos. But to say that those beliefs combined with sexual suppression often creat these extremes. Whether it be addiction to gooning (outside of their access to goon material) or otherwise.
Idk. I just think that it’s an unhealthy relationship with sexuality that any generation can fall pray to. But it’s happens more often based on the circumstances of each individual/generation. And it’s why it seems to be so extreme in both boomers and recent generations. They both are experiencing extreme economic material conditions/contradictions.
It’s similar almost to priest being the most common pedos.
Pedos tend to aggregate around any job that will give them trusted or unrestricted access to children. The suppression you’re talking about in this case isn’t just from religion, but permeates all of society. Like, they can’t even hypothetically leave the church and move somewhere more liberal where their desire for kid fucking isn’t being suppressed. At least not until the weird libertarian crypto-bros who oppose age of consent manage to create such a place.
These laws don’t stop horny teens from accessing porn. It just makes them better at it.
Exactly. And it punishes the responsible sites that follow the law and drives people to the sketchier sites that don’t.
If you want more viruses and identity theft, I guess this is a good law for you.
Yep. If these red states actually cared about kids they’d care about proper sex education. But I think this stuff just proves that Republicans are afraid of sex. They had an awkward conversation about it with their dad once and have been leaving their wives unsatisfied for 30 years since. They have no idea what to do if their kid actually came home from school and asked them what the difference between a clitoris and a vagina was. They are absolutely afraid of the female body and it’s why they try to control it so much.
Sorry. A bit of a rant. If this was a different conversation I’d have plenty to criticize about the sex industry too. But these conservatives don’t have enough brain cells to actually talk about the problems with it. So we have old men making laws that do nothing but make them feel better. Or it’s projection for their own porn addiction.
My money is on projection.
Column A and Column B for sure
Easy solution! Just make a profile before the photo verification was implemented
Why would you want a profile on a porn site? That’s just one data breach away from revealing all your naughty secrets.
May he enjoy the sweet freedom of USA!
Fiefdom*
Soon You’ll have to go back to borrowing porn magz from Your friends.
Return of the hollow porn stash log in the forest.
The whole porn ban thing is probably my all-time favorite example of conservatives voting against themselves.
Meanwhile, in California, I can watch all the porn I want without registering myself in a database and walk down the street to the weed store. And the women in my life still have rights over their own bodies.
So I guess Democrats are actually the party of freedom.
who would’ve guessed
Removed by mod
Freedom ain’t free.
This comment was dumb but should NOT HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
Lol, comment about freedom get removed by mod
Notice how the things you’re talking about are exaggerations and the comment above is not.
Yeah but could you imagine voting for them?
One of my fave porn vids got affected though.
— a Nord
It’s all relative. Lots of personal freedom, taxed like a mother fucker.
As it should be honestly but there are many people that don’t see it that way and view taxation as a form of oppression.
I don’t think the above commenter is saying GOP isn’t worse, but having lived there for a few years and since moved away, it’s taxed quite a bit more than other states. You definitely get a lot more out of it, so it’s just that tradeoff. Either you pay little taxes and have to pay separately for private things to do everything yourself (good for rich people, bad for everyone else), or you pay more taxes but have way more public services.
B- b- but, California b-b-bad! 🥺 Don’t you see how oppressed you are? You’re really oppressed out there. 🥺
California is bad for voting to keep prison slavery and refusing to solve the housing crisis with a council housing system much like the UK used to have.
Council housing? You mean social security houses that get supplied to you if you earn almoat nothing?
The Netherlands has that to this day, but that doesn’t solve the issue
Perfection is the ultimate enemy of good. I’d rather be in a place like California than some red state where I have to upload my ID to look at boobs.
The privacy and security issues of this are pretty obvious. However I do think that the easy accessibility and ubiquity of porn and highly sexualized content for children and tweens is a serious problem that people who make fun of porn restriction efforts fail to address or even acknowledge.
Certainly a lot of the responsibility falls on guardians, but it’s hard to moderate when you’re up against the giant machines of social media. They need help to limit exposure. And this isn’t some prudish “oh no protect the children from the titty and the peen” attitude. I don’t think most people feel comfortable with the idea of 10-year olds sharing videos of aggressive gang banging or throat fucking like it’s a normal thing. And obviously this isn’t exclusive to porn. Plenty of explicit and gruesomely violent content out there to be worried about. But the internet footprint of porn dwarfs everything else put together.
Certainly a lot of the responsibility falls on guardians, but it’s hard to moderate when you’re up against the giant machines of social media.
It’s really not. Establish an open and trusting relationship with your kids.
Porn will be accessible without ID regardless, because plenty of sites operate outside the neutron jurisdiction of the US. All this does is punish responsible sites and push kids onto sketchier websites.
The only real solution here is responsible parenting. If you’re not going to be a responsible parent, don’t have kids.
Not every kid has the privilege of being born to parents who give a shit or are even in their lives for one reason or another.
Still my original point was not about what the actual good pragmatic solutions are to reducing accessibility (a spectrum from can’t avoid it to mildly inconvenient to highly inaccessible to banned). It was about recognizing the problem at all.
Yeah, some parents suck. And they should probably face legal repercussions. But as you imply, that’s another ball of wax entirely.
Why is it everyone’s problem that parents can’t figure out that their kids shouldn’t have unlimited unrestricted access to the internet? They know not to let their children loose on the Las Vegas strip, why can’t they apply the same logic to the internet? I don’t agree with 10 year olds looking at porn even slightly but also it’s not my problem. I’m tired of the world making everything child friendly. I don’t have kids for a reason and if I want to watch Human Centipede 1-4 while blasting hardcore dwarf deepthroat gangbang porn then that’s my prerogative.
Because we live in a society and things that impact society impact you, as a member of society. It’s the same reason why we have age restrictions for alcohol, porn stores, and cigarettes. It’s also why we have laws about seatbelts, labour, and certain non-toxic but excessively unhealthy ingredients. Even if you take giving a shit about others out of the equation, the self-interested view knows that what happens to others’ kids now can and do become your individual problem down the road.
Enforcing age restriction is not a ban. I think as an adult it’s entirely your perogative to watch your dwarf porn. However your framing of “making everything kid friendly” is a bit misleading and disingenuous. It’s quite the same as complaining everyone is always trying to make things kid friendly because they check your ID at the liquor store. Would it be more convenient if you could just grab and go? Sure. But the social harm without it clearly outweighs the inconvenience.
The fickle problem with the internet porn is still privacy and data security, but that’s a separate issue.
I’d rather go back to (poorly) drawing boobs and stuff…
That’s insane
“Show penis for verification”
But what if woman?
“Please suck verification dick to continue.”
You are free to be as conservative as you want. What more can you ask for?
To be able to vote outside the two party system with the ability to transfer your vote if your preference doesn’t win to prevent a spoiler effect
Ideally with a Condorcet system, like Approval or STAR, but I’d back anything that gets traction against FPTP.
you’re free to be as conservative as the heritage foundation wants you to be.
Conservatives jerk off to porn all the time. This isn’t even strictly conservative per-say, its just generic American prudishness. 30 years ago, you’d have Tipper Gore and Newt Gingrich coming together to restrict the sale of rap music CDs and wrestling themed video games to anyone under the age of 13, on similar grounds.
Demanding everyone have an ID present any time they want to do anything is a throw-back to the 90s liberal fixation on “accountability” that was a proxy for mass surveillance.
