At first, Zelensky rejected the proposal, but the two countries eventually reached an agreement on a revised version. Zelensky traveled to Washington to finalize and sign the deal.
However, tensions escalated when Zelensky tried to explain Russian President Vladimir Putin’s lack of diplomacy to Vice President Vance. Vance accused Zelensky of “litigating” in front of the media and criticized him for appearing in photos with Democrats during the 2024 campaign. He also said Zelensky’s comments were “disrespectful” to the Trump administration.
This sounds just like a setup to humiliate Zelensky and justify this shit to the MAGA brains. Trump and Vance weren’t planning on signing the deal. Pure and simple propaganda. But MAGAs don’t have enough neurons to see it.
Appearing in media with members of the current administration (just like now)? How dare he!
Also, a side thought I had recently: I wonder how these conservatives would feel if Mexico invaded and captured territory in Arizona? I mean, it wasn’t that long ago that it actually was a part of Mexico, and a lot of the population still identifies with that country. Just cede the land to avoid conflict, right?
Edit: Plus, everyone knows Arizona has a Nazi problem, so the invasion would be totally justified, right? Right? lol
New Mexico could suddenly be old.
Could even have been a plot to ruin Zelensky’s reputation on Russia’s behalf per their disinformation campaigns
Exactly.
100%. They were never going to give support to Ukraine.
I think a big part of this being cancelled at this late stage is Europe stepping up and offering peace keepers. I do not think Trump counted on that and wanted the deal with basically no peacekeepers. All along, he was was no to supplying security.
This would have given putin time to rebuild and carte blanche to renew the attack when he was able. Putin can’t do that if Europe is in Ukraine as that would be a massive escalation.
Yeah, I hate to see the US being such a fucking shit ally, but the one silver lining is that Europe does seem to be warming up to the idea of putting boots on the ground and beefing up support for Ukraine.
Russia isn’t going to stop trying to expand, especially after the tactical knowledge they’ve gained. All they want is a break to resupply and rebuild their army. Personally, I think we should have started sending in special covert ‘peacekeeping’ troops several years ago, and given Ukraine top tier kit when Wagner started marching to Moscow. We could have been in a position to devastate Russians military capability. Instead fucking Republican traitors held everything up. Screw the Arab spring, we need an American Spring. Get your scopes sighted in and your bugout bags ready
It’s a win win for them. They get a political win, a promise of money, or both. There’s still a chance the deal gets signed in order to keep getting American weapons. From Zelensky’s point of view they can always slow roll the payments.
yea they almost always needed soundbites for fox, to “reassure maga” brains. as far as news is going they needed to distract from things like his epstein news all the time, everytime that thing comes up, MSM try to pitch an outlandish news to distract the masses.
I wanted to point out something about what Trump said during that meeting…
“You’re in a bad position right now. You don’t have the cards.”
My understanding is that Ukraine did have the cards, they were called nukes, but they gave them up for peace and guarantees of protection from the United States, and others, against invasion.
And then, they got invaded.
Twice.
Edit: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion
Edit2: Always pay attention to what the other hand is doing.
He also incorrectly tried to correct Zelensky on when his fucking country was invaded… Clown
Encapsulates why trump has no business near power of any kind. The most confidently incorrect dickhead anyone will ever meet
Three times.
The Donetsk conflict was started by militias trained, supplied, and paid by Russia. With Russian troops entering Donestk for technical support, logistical support, and really just any help they needed including combat units to beat back the Ukrainian Army at several points.
Donetsk was the actual “Special Military Operation”.
The scary thing is - ignoring these protection guarantees kills nuclear non proliferation.
Ignoring Ukraine for now, with a few French nukes we don’t have enough in Europe to do nuclear deterrence. The US not being a trustworthy partner anymore and with Russia on our doorstep that means long term we simply need more of our own. I hate the thought, but can’t find a way around it.
The French and UK nuclear arsenal is the only thing standing between humanity and disaster. Sad to say this but you guys need to be pumping those things out fast.
Because of Traitorapist Trump, every country in the world will rightly want to have their own nuclear weapons now. You just know that today is going to be mentioned in the history books as the beginning of widespread nuclear proliferation and the dire consequences that follow.
every country in the world will rightly want to have their own nuclear weapons now. You just know that today is going to be mentioned in the history books as the beginning of widespread nuclear proliferation
I’m honestly surprised other countries didn’t start proliferating after the first time Ukraine was invaded by Russia, years ago.
That’s one hell of an object lesson for any country to have learned, watching that happen.
For today, if nothing else, the lesson was learned, if you already have nukes, don’t give them up for promises of protection.
Trump, like every arogant POS has overestimated his strength. Europe can and will enter the conflict as Russia has proven itself to be an existential threat. NATO is dead, but EU has been planning for this. I wouldn’t be surprised if UKR already has or will obtain a nuke and put on a show of force . Nuking Russian troops on its own territory would be fine- and provide ground denial to the Russians.
NATO is dead
Somebody better tell them. In the meanwhile, their twin sibling, OTAN, will take over.
I wouldn’t be surprised if UKR already has or will obtain a nuke
I’d think they would have stopped their war by now if so.
Nuking Russian troops on its own territory would be fine
I’m sure Mr. Radiation will cooperate and not float over any innocent cities, and will stay inside of the political borders where the bomb went off.
I’m also sure that nobody would consider retaliating over something like that, as it would be taken as just a minor misunderstanding.
And yes, /s .
Winds blow east in that part of the world.
They were counting on US support so they played nice. If Europe fails to do anything meaningful we might see UKR do something incalculable.
UKR knows that the only way to stop Putin is to match his posture. They have openly stated last year that they should get a nuke since US is unreliable.
Retaliate for nuking their own territory?
Winds blow east in that part of the world.
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Retaliate for nuking their own territory?
So nuke one of the largest ‘bread baskets’ in the World?
Cut off a limb to save the body. Radiation contamination is a pretty effective ground denial strategy- make those eastern oblasts uninhabitable for a 100years. That would afford some time for Russia to turn itself inside out.
I’m not suggesting it’s any planners first choice, but it would certainly protect the border from further ground invasions.
The other hand just released that trumps name shows up 7 times in Eppstein’s flight logs.
No, not a joke, it was released today by trumps own minions.
Link?
This is where I saw it, top result for me of the last 24h:
Thanks.
Didn’t Russia have the keys to those nukes though?
Wouldn’t have mattered even if true. Physical access trumps everything. Worst case scenario, if they really wanted to, they could reverse engineer the primer & guidance system, then replace the originals with their own.
Keep in mind that Ukraine was a massive hub for military industry in the USSR.
My understanding was that Ukraine did.
But also, since they were neighbors, you wouldn’t need to launch missiles, you could just take the payload out of a missile, stick it in a briefcase, and walk it over.
I am going to be the least surprised person in the world when there is a “terrorist attack” against America that gets linked to pissed off Ukrainians.
America is no longer a soveriegn state, its a meat puppet thats beholden to Corpo-Fascists, Israel, and the Russian Mafia.
Ukraine might as well terminate relations with the US, and join hands with Europe and get ready for larger war, because thats the only place this is going.
Ukrainian/American diplomacy on ending the war is pointless, America is on the side of Russia, and Russia has no intention of peace, they want Ukraine to cease to exist. There is nothing to talk about anymore.
Trump threatened ww3 several times in the video. That’s what the world needs to take from this exchange.
WW3 has been going on since 2022.
No one thought so because nuclear weapons werent going off. thats the only reason.
The chance they will increases every day these clowns are in the white house
I don’t disagree. Still, Trump threatening world war 3 is a big deal because Russia and the US have most of the nukes.
My point stands, the world needs to pay attention. I’m sure they are though.
Trump: you have not shown gratitude for our help.
Zelenaky: I have thanked the US many times for the support given.
Trump: you haven’t shown ENOUGH gratitude. Just say thank you.
Zelenaky: I do thank the US
Trump: You didn’t say it while kissing the ring.
such a putin script hes using.
That was one of the most disgusting and rage-inducing videos I’ve ever seen. I would not have been able to restrain myself from punching Trump in the fucking nose if he had talked to me like that. I’m not a tough guy or violent in any way, and the Secret Service would have killed me, but the way he yells such insulting things at a world leader who is trying to save millions of lives… holy crap. And then Vance jumps in and claims he never said Thank You. I would’ve kicked him in the nuts and said, “thank you, now I feel better.”
This was a setup from the get go. They had no intention of signing any deal. This was all to get him in front of cameras with them so they could piss on his face and act like tough guys.
Trump had a reason for doing what he did. The former head of Kazakhstan’s intelligence service said 40-year-old Donald Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987
I particularly love the part where he says Obama sent them sheets and Trump sent them Javelins* then pauses to look at the camera and tell the media that that’s their headline. He may be losing his marbles, but that attention whore instinct goes straight to the core
* *Not sure if that’s the military aid he tried to block in order to coerce them into investigating the son of a political rival, or if he’s just taking credit for the aid sent under Biden that he actively opposed. Either way, it’s fucking rich for him to take credit for military aid when he is personally responsible for delaying and reducing the aid Ukraine got.
Trump won’t be mean to Putin because he wants to “make a deal” but he seems to be fine insulting the fuck out of Zelensky.
This is just so painful to watch. Embarassing does not even begin to describe it.
I just watched the last half of the full meeting. Zelensky asked what guarantees there are the Russians won’t just invade again. The subtext of which is an offer to house US troops in Ukraine. But all the fucking clown car heard was a challenge to their machismo.
So they shouted him down and just loudly asserted he would either sign their deal or fight it out. Along the way they manage to insult him by treating him like a child and pretending that previous broken agreements, (invasion of Crimea, Invasion of Donetsk, and Invasion of Ukraine) were because Putin didn’t respect the American President enough. But Putin is also the victim in all of this according to Trump.
I’ve seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
For more subtext, if there were any real guarantees then this would not have happened in the meeting with the press. Zelensky would have told reporters there were guarantees. This entire blow up means that Trump already told him there would be no guarantees other than the honor system. Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won’t invade while he’s president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump’s term is over. And that’s without getting into all of the implications about Putin holding this over Trump’s head for concessions so Trump can appear to be the peacemaker.
I agree with Trump on one thing. We’re fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn’t a peacemaker, he’s Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
I’ve seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
JD Vance talking about diplomacy and accusing fucking Democrats of “beating their chest” was such bullshit I have no idea where to begin with that…which is probably the point.
How are they going to project the soft power of diplomacy when they’re in the business of firing half of the people that work in that part of the government? This administration, and this country is a sick, unfunny fucking joke just like the heads of it.
Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won’t invade while he’s president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump’s term is over.
I realize that the first half of that is speaking about what Trump thinks (as opposed to you claiming it yourself) so this isn’t me trying to contradict you, but I think it’s important that we all keep in mind the actual reality of the situation:
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Putin doesn’t respect Trump in the slightest; Trump is his useful idiot.
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To the extent that it’s true that Putin wouldn’t invade while Trump is president, it’s only because (a) neutering the US by having his patsy as President achieves pretty much all the same geopolitical goals as creating a buffer state out of Ukraine does anyway, and (b) making Trump look good as a “peacemaker” is self-serving because it helps keep his patsy in place longer.
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Trump’s not leaving in 2028, unless he’s dead.
I agree with Trump on one thing. We’re fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn’t a peacemaker, he’s Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
Trump’s not Chamberlain either. He’s Stalin, making a secret agreement with Hitler (Putin) to carve up Poland (Ukraine) like a thanksgiving turkey. (The analogy is a little awkward because Russia is playing the role of Germany in it instead of itself, but I was going by who attacked the country being carved up first.)
Well said, even if you take Trumps argument at face value it makes absolutely no sense to agree with
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Someone needs to end the reign of Trump. What a waste of energy, piece of shit. Burn in hell.
Someone close to him needs to do something, for the good of the entire world.
That’s just vague enough to keep the SS off your back. Good job. Pun intended on SS
Yea, gotta be careful not to Say anything illegal
Honestly, if a USSS agent put a round through that orange paint I’d vote to drop any charges and consider it removing a domestic threat/using the 25th to relieve a leader permanently. Doesn’t solve the rot the conservatives have already spread but if this republic is gonna fall like Rome then let’s at least stop the loudest one
Trump is just the public face of a much bigger problem. As he’s old, he’ll die soon anyways. But the next king is already waiting.
Plenty of old people with nothing left to lose have access to him. I’m just saying, it’d be a real shame…
I will never have zelensky’s patience and calmness. If I were in the room, everyone would be wondering who painted the oval office red.
That’s how you lose with characters like Trump. They’re looking to trigger you into a shit show, and then beat you with experience. You have to stay calm and let them make an ass of themselves. They will eventually get too rash and make a royal fuck up.
Americans now
Y’all need to overthrow your corrupt dictatorship government before it fully takes over the media and military command.
I mean, I’ve known for a while, but it’s wild to see us just dumpstering the mask.
Unfortunately, fans are cheering Trump on in social media about this. Bots or not, they’re getting a lot of views.
Don’t think people in the EU or whatever aren’t cheering this, either. Trump can and will happen elsewhere, too.
Unfortunately, fans are cheering Trump on in social media about this.
Remind me who owns social media again?
Trump can and will happen elsewhere, too.
This is so true, also here in europe we are not immune to this shit 😢
No.
And by no I mean we’re not just now asking that. A lot of us already knew we were the baddies. We have been.
Yes, we absolutely are. We deserve everything we have coming to us.
Yes, yes we are. We are the baddies and we have literal nazi’s running things in our government.
Why does Treason Trump hate the Free World? Why does he hate freedom and democracy? We does Trump hate America and American values?
I dislike authoritarian egomaniacs like Trump, Musk, Melei, Johnson, Orban, Putin and all of their supporters who are very aware of their wrongdoings.
I don’t dislike the people suffering from those evil doers. I would gladly welcome the UK back to the EUl, celebrate freedom the the people of the USA and drunk Wodka with Russians as long as were all nice to one another.
It’s not about nations but about people.
I fully agree with you, sadly some world leaders benefit way more from dividing and isolating.
The only way forward as the human race in the long term will either be as 1 people (the UN is a good step towards this but clearly not enough) or as a post apocalyptic shattered, severely diminished population. Sadly it’s looking more and more like it’ll be the second one…
Wow that went worse than I thought it would. TBH I was thinking he might actually pull off a win here.
I’m left with my original thought that Trump is actively trying to destroy America. Everything he and Elon are doing seems to be doing nothing but undermine standing and stability. Truly mind bending. I wonder when/if MAGA will snap from the trance.
That was my take away too, especially side by side with illegally dismantling USAID (and with it, US soft power) and a ton of functional agencies (e.g. NOAA, FDIC) that don’t cost much and protect us both physically and financially. If I wrote a playbook of how to quickly cripple a county, it would pretty much be this.
Everything he and Elon are doing seems to be doing nothing but undermine standing and stability.
They’re disbanding over half of the federal government. We’re seeing it happen.
Did Trump inject the word ‘dictate’ in there so he could justify calling Zelenskyy a dictator?
asssuming too much smarts from trumpo.
Dunno, go overseas and tell people you’re either Canadian or American and measure the response
I visited an American working friend in Russia around the turn of the century. If asked, like by our cab driver, he’d say he was Canadian. They would then nastily trash Americans. The Cold War made both populations suspicious of if not just hate the other but the Russians have had the hate reinforced stronger and harder by their government.
Other countries, there’s not as much anti-American bias. Well, there wasn’t. Now, I expect it’ll spread for different reasons.
Americans pretending to be Canadian while on vacation is a trope that extends beyond Russia.
Yeah, i remember during the Iraq war years there were a suspicious number of Canadian backpackers
