Summary
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Kamala Harris’ 2024 running mate, has suggested he may run for president in 2028.
Reflecting on the Democrats’ loss to Donald Trump and JD Vance, he admitted: “A large number of people did not believe we were fighting for them in the last election – and that’s the big disconnect.”
Walz said his life experience, rather than ambition, would guide his decision.
Though his VP campaign was marred by gaffes, he remains open to running if he feels prepared.
I’m more interested in seeing if democrats hold honest primaries.
Or primaries at all.
Continue to pretend that every criticism from your left is from your right. It makes it easier to blame the left you hate when you lose to the right you admire.
Considering democrats held primaries in 2016, 2020 and 2024 and they lined up with what polls where saying what would it take for you to believe that the primaries are honest?
Actually having one would be a start.
They actually had two in 2024.
Uh huh.
I get it after Bernie lost in 2016 a bunch of people lost faith in the system and the DNC using the easy excuse of ‘it’s our primary we can cry if we want to’ was real easy for right-wing and foreign propaganda to bait a hook with and fishing was real good for them.
I get that you want to dismiss everything to your left as being all the way to your right so you can keep ignoring the left and moving to the right until you have become the second republican party.
I’m happy being a liberal I don’t think there has to be a second republican party.
Then quit acting like you do.
The winner has to be the one Mr. Crab likes the most. That person will also go on to win the general election easily, because what Mr. Crab likes is proven to be widely popular.
Interesting response as well to that quote. How you feeling about the Republicans right now. Love or hate?
If you aren’t going to be voting in a R primary or for a R candidate, how one feels about them is immaterial.
If you do plan on voting in a D primary or eventually for a D candidate, you may have some small impact on them, their policies, or their trajectory.
“R worse” as a campaign strategy and as political philosophy is why the life raft called the Democratic party is at the bottom of the sea right now. No one who was going to vote D was going to vote R. No R’s were going to vote D.
It was only EVER about D’s doing things that would get D’s to show up, and R’s doing what R’s needed to do to get R’s to show up. R’s understood the assignment and did those things.
Democratic leadership wishes they had R’s for voters. Its the goal of leadership, to turn the D’ party into the R’ party, and has been for decades. Every instrumental decision leads them in this direction.
The problem is that what D’ voters want and what R’ voters want are diametrically opposed. If you run an R’ campaign trying to get D’ voters, you WILL lose. See Kerry 2004, Hillary 2016, and Kamala 2024.
When you run a D’ campaign focused on the wants and needs of D’ voters, you win. See Gore 2000, Obama 08, and 12, and Biden 2020.
The question your asked is a kind of intentional whataboutism that serves to distract from the real issue of why D’s don’t win elections when it matters most.
I agree with that.
Now do the Republicans. What did they do wrong in 2020 and what did they do right?
Why would I care about giving information or creating analyses to help the Republicans win?
Every comment you make shows a deep misunderstanding of, well, everything. So why don’t you give me some reasons why I should bother beyond a performative exercise to show how deeply out of touch you are?
What evidence do i have that you ask these things in good faith when you don’t seem bothered by your own nonsequiters?
Continued hate. How about you? Still prefer trump to any progressive?
What do you think the R’s did wrong this last cycle? Do you think they legally cheated and maybe had some actual cheating by his minions? Or do you think they won it because the democrats did everything wrong?
Same thing the Democrats did wrong. Moved to the right. The difference is that their base likes it.
But they didn’t win, so if their base liked it, why didn’t it result in a win? I think you understand what I’m saying. There is no black and white, only grey.
Ok, you’ve chosen to deliberately misunderstand what I said in absolute bad faith. I should have expected nothing else.
Republicans’ base likes it when republicans move to the right. Only centrist democrats like it when democrats move to the right. Now misunderstand this on purpose as well.
Yeah its all bad faith from @[email protected] . They are like a honey-pot of bad-faith engagement.
This isn’t even up for debate. R’s won because D’s did everything wrong, at least during and post convention. Trump had an approval rating almost as low as Biden, and even with the incredible opportunity swapping out the candidate represented, they still managed to blow it. Its in the data.
Biden was dead in the water as far back as March of that year, but realistically, he never had a chance. I’ve posted the analyses here and can dig them up for illustrative purposes, but Biden’s probability of turning it around in March was coming in at between a 1:1000, to 1:10000 chance. It just wasn’t going to happen, and the sane among us were down voted into oblivion, banned from important subs, banned all over the place for pointing that out.
Once the candidates swapped, Harris was suddenly on a trajectory to wipe the floor with Trump. In the few weeks where we had meaningful data, before the convention, She was on pace to be in the range she needed to be in to take the game home in a lunch box. Her polling looked great, she had done no real damage to herself, and voters were mostly basing their estimates of who she was based on her 2020 primary campaign. Her trajectory was on base to be in the range of 50-55% by November in those models. Things looked really good.
Then… the convention happened. And she took all the wrong advice and made all the wrong decisions. She swapped out the progressive policies for neoliberal/ neoconservative polices. She refused to step away from Bidens deeply unpopular positions, which were many. She elevated Republican voices at the convention and silenced Gazan delegates.
And her polling tanked. She then proceeded to double down on these things that were deeply unpopular among Democratic voters. And thats the key. Doing almost nothing before the convention, and she was set to coast to victory. Every move she made after the convention was the wrong one, and cost her, substantially.
So again. This isn’t even a discussion. If you require this kind of enlightenment, you might want to just pay more attention on a regular basis because everything I’m putting out here is pretty much common knowledge and has been, since/ as/ when it all happened.
It just makes me so infuriatingly upset how right you were on just about all of it, btw. It was like watching a slow motion train wreck to watch them snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
As frustrating as it was to watch it from a distance, it was orders of magnitude more frustrating to watch members of our own community, u/jordanlund , and u/FlyingSquid, convert several high-profile subs into echo-chambers effectively devoid of dissenting opinions with regards to how the Democrats were performing, how successful they were being, and what it would take to win the election.
Its one thing when its happening at a distance, but these individuals did real damage, here, in our community. And it wasn’t unique to lemmy. It happened on almost all social media platforms and in mainstream and alternative media as well. I’ve got standing ban’s in c/world and c/political_memes from expressing the exact points I’m making here, when these things were happening. The campaign was largely shielded from the dissenting opinion that what they were doing wasn’t working, and it cost them the election. Even as late as October they could have pivoted/ re-calibrated, but they didn’t think they needed to because they weren’t hearing the opinion that shit wasn’t working. I think its just more painful when its your own community doing the scum-bag thing.
Democrats won’t win an election by ignoring and silencing legitimate criticism. They’ll need to deal with and elevate criticisms and discuss how they’ll be doing things differently. The constant and pernicious gaslighting, its why they lose elections. Or maybe the right phrasing is that they couldn’t win? The relevancy isn’t clear to be because I’m unsure we’ll have elections again.
There was so much on the line and they cost us everything.
What about this part? When I say legally cheated, I mean gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc.
I think you replied to the wrong comment.
Nope
If these questions are interesting to you, you should come up with answers and present on them.