The IRS rules governing nonprofits still required the Mozilla Foundation to beg big to go big: the parent had to go find big grants from Soros, Ford, Knight, MacArthur, and give smaller grants to many. This put it in the lefties-only-no-righty-Irish-need-apply revolving-door personnel sector of NGOs and nonprofits (too many glowies there for me, too). Which meant I had a hostile MoFo over my head the minute I got CEO appointment from the MoCo board…

Of course I can’t comment on anything about my exit, for reasons that only the most loopy HN h8ers still can’t figure out.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43251203

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    As a reminder, Eich was turfed from Mozilla for joining an anti-LGBT hate campaign (and thus alienating a whole lot of developers, sponsors, and users); and his So Brave browser pushed NFTs and stole money via referral fraud.

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      I mean, he’s technically better-behaving than Mozilla itself then.

      But I think these endless splits over disagreements and inability to cooperate in the split state are systemic.

      So maybe the whole typical-left “let’s unite and make a thing and boot everyone who shows a sign of rot” is systemically harmful. See, people who show signs of rot - they are the better kind. The really bad people don’t show any signs of rot until it’s too late. Actually they may not show anything, be like Mozilla tops.

      And also one kind of rot is not rot for some people, and the other is not rot for other group of people, and so on. It would be good to build a way of cooperation where people are impeded from cooperation only with whom they themselves disagree, and not the majority.

      Same as my other idea that there should be a way of moderation, where a person’s ability to choose is strengthened with all the amazing technology we have, and not with benevolent MITM.

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        these conservative actually think theres an actual boogeyman" left " in america.

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          A word’s meaning is how it’s used. Also yes, there are.

          I think the important separation is not between left and right, it’s between truth and lie, or between principle and momentary gain.

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      If I’m reading their financial records correctly, the year he left Mozilla was the year he was paid the most, even though he didn’t stick around for most of it. So this retelling of history is, at best, incomplete…

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      I remember back when that referrer thing happened and people on reddit were tripping over themselves to justify it and explain why it’s actually ok… What a joke.

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    Someone’s been munching Elon’s Special K for breakfast. New marketing tagline just dropped tho:

    Brave browser, because you’d have to be brave to use a browser built by a Nazi

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      Terry A. Davis popularised the term. He was a software engineer that ended up with a very bad case of schizophrenia. While unemployed due to his illness, he streamed while working on his own operating system that he built with the intention of “communicating with God”. While streaming, he used to go on these rants about how federal agents are spying on him, calling them “glowies” more often than not along the n word with a very hard r at the end. The term “glowies” has very racist associations.

      In other words, you need to be somewhat fairly far down the alt-right pipeline if you actually talk about “glowies”.

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        TempleOS is legit super impressive, it’s a shame the dude was pretty much insane but also that’s probably what it takes to code an entire OS from scratch entirely by yourself.

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            Pretty sure there’s at least one quote of Davis himself using the n-word to refer to federal agents before describing how bright they glow…

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              If he was being watched by 4channers. He’d be reading their language and using said language mixed with his own. I don’t remember any of the clips I saw of him saying it but I’m not eliminating that it may have happened

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              I blame 4chan’s constant harassment of the man for his speech and early death. They invaded his live streams and gaslit him into believing, among other things, that he was in a relationship with someone else. Collectively, I think they’re responsible for his suicide.

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                Didn’t a lot of the people from back in the old 4chan days move over to KiwiFarms? This feels like it would be a kiwifarms thing these days rather than 4chan

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                  Basically, KiwiFarms were formed by people who were too much for 8chan, which was formed by people too much for 4chan, which was formed by people too much for Something Awful.

                  Free speech absolutism was a mistake…

                  (If you ask: there are now people too much for KiwiFarms, usually those that also want to torture animals rather than going after animal abusers for internet cookie points)

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      https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/glowie-glowposting

      Glowie, also known as a Glown****, is a slang term popular on 4chan’s /pol/ board used in reference to CIA or other governmental agents posing as ordinary 4chan users in order to bait others into sharing incriminating information.

      In 2017, schizophrenic computer programmer Terry Davis, known for his TempleOS software that he claimed was dictated to him by God and meant to be God’s third temple, made a video showing off various aspects of TempleOS. In the video, Terry says, “The CIA n*****s glow in the dark, you can see them if you’re driving. You just run them over, that’s what you do.”

      The term “glow in the dark” refers to the obvious nature of their camouflage, leaving them exposed when they’re trying to hide in the shadows.

      In fairness to Brave CEO I did not know it had racist origins and only thought it referred to the last paragraph.

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        It’s fucking weird that not 3 or 4 days ago… I was literally reading about Davis. And the glowing CIA ranting that he was doing. Total coincidence

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            I dont go on 4chan though, the only exposure I have to it is occasionally reading greentext vids/stories on other sites.

            I was just on a random rabbit hole that Briefly involved templeOS and somehow ended up on the “hit CIA with your car they arent humans” video

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        That’s the problem with racist bullshit. They scrape the racism off and peddle it everywhere until it’s widely accepted and not tied to it’s roots anymore.

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    Regardless of the CEO, Brave is a great product. The crypto stuff is easy to turn off. Fantastic ad blocking, rarely any problems. What is the best alternative with great ad blocking?

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      I used it as a secondary browser for a while. I didn’t particularly care for it. It’s a shame Edge is spyware corporate garbage because that’s probably the best Chromium browser besides Ungoogled Chromium. I use Librewolf and the CachyOS browser now.

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      They stole money by adding donation links to content creators pages, then didn’t give the donated money to the creators.

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        I don’t know what that has to do with my question? I am not defending anything like that

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          It was a comment on your claim that brave is a great product.

          Straight up scamming their users is in my opinion not something that is done by “great products”.

          Other examples is that Web browser that added their own referral code when users bought stuff on a crypto exchange. Oops, that was brave as well.

          Or that one that installed a paid vpn service during an update, without user consent.

          You guessed it, brave that as well.

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            None of that affects the average user. I’m talking about the experience as a browser. No ads, popups, cookie walls, newsletter signup, none of that. Much better than I’ve seen with Firefox plugins. I don’t use their VPN or crypto, it doesn’t affect me at all. Crypto is always shady but it’s a choice to engage with that, and they do make it easy to avoid completely

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              Of course it affects the average user, if nothing else then by showing that the browser can’t be trusted.

              If the people making the browser is willing to alter the Web pages people visit to steal money once, what makes you think they aren’t willing to do so again for any number of reasons?

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          I see how they didn’t answer the question. However, maybe they’re not answering your question but commenting on “Brave is a great product”.

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            That doesn’t make it a bad product. I’ve never interacted with any of the crypto or donation stuff. You go into settings, click “no thanks” and are never bothered by any of that ever again. So no, these stories people repeat ad nauseam don’t take away anything from the product. Why don’t other people demand better from the alternatives? If there is one better than Brave at fighting popups and stuff, I’m all for it

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                Haha, that’s quite alright. I knew I wasn’t going to win a popularity contest here, I just enjoy Brave for what it does and I wish uBlock Origin was just as good

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            “Jim occasionally bullies his colleagues but he is a good person otherwise”

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      Literally every other browser with uBlock Origin? I am still able to use it even on Chrome.

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        I have more problems with uBlock Origin breaking the website. Also, it doesn’t block other elements such as cookie walls and news letter signup garbage.

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          I never had any issues using ublock origin.

          & Creating own filters in ublock is really easy.

          For example i block YouTube shorts using ublock.

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          some sites that are anti-adblock will "break: with ublock orgin, and some with adguard or privacy badger, i just turn one of those off and its fine.

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    I’ve been trying to move away from Google Chrome for awhile now. Brave was the easiest move for me - it’s super slick and almost exactly like Google Chorme. But they just cannot help themselves from pushing Cryto BS on the startup page like every day - it’s weird. I get they offset advertisements with Crypto, and maybe before The President ran a Crypto rugpull I’d be onboard, but now that the Rich Elites have publicly shown their hand in how they want to use Crypto I just can’t support Brave.

    Anyway, I’ve moved to Opera for the time being. If anyone else has suggestions I’m open to hear em, but like, I’m too used to webkit devtools.

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      Turn it all off and it’s no more in your face. The browser itself functions great when configured according to your needs.

      Fuck their CEO though. Focus on the product. It works and consistently ranks as one of the highest orivacy based browser according to the EFF and multiple non profit sources.

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        At that point, why give the nazi fuck any browser usage? If you don’t trust the source, don’t trust the product.

        Like the other person said, use Ungoogled Chromium. I use it on a couple of my devices and it works pretty well.

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          The thing I’ve started to notice is the further you stray away from a big box products and into micro custom solutions there is always trade-offs. So far as being unique and the hassle that comes with it maintenance.

          The more hands off you are big corpo and I agree they aren’t your friends, the more you have to maintain the software or setup personally. Or trust the person or people doing it all day everyday and never let up.

          I trust other people mostly, who’s job it is to do these things all day everyday. Having 3rd parties to audit them, than I could be able to, or would want to, consistently maintain software at the standard it requires with the fast changing landscape we have today.

          While you gain more features to some degree, you lose in others like security against vulnerabilities and sheer eyes and minds on the code.

          Fuck their CEO if he is off the wall. Focus on the goal of privacy and the tool you need, the rest is fluff. Use what you need first then want.

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          Do you know any alternative to forgetful browsing? Basically the only thing keeping me. Just so much more convenient always-on incognito mode.

          Also the fact that I can just turn off all the stuff that makes them money.

          Also I don’t expect manifest v2 support on ungoogled chromium to be reliable.

          Edit: just remembered this exists: https://github.com/Cookie-AutoDelete/Cookie-AutoDelete. Currently trying it out with ironfox.

          Edit2: Apparently LibreWolf has this button to add websites to the exclusion list for cookie deletion on exit if you click the lock button

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      After Firefox changed its TOS a lot of people (including me) have jumped to LibreWolf. It takes FF, removes any parts that phone home, and turns on many privacy options.

      It takes a little tweaking to make all websites work correctly. I have it running almost perfectly on windoze. I tried installing on Ubuntu last night but my Linux newbie status held me back.

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    For those looking for alternatives, there are a number Firefox forks such as Mullvad and Librewolf and then there’s Chromium and it’s various forks (just avoid Edge and, now, sadly, Brave)

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    Eich should have been banned from any technical enterprise after inflicting Javascript on us all. His shitty views just reinforce that position further.

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      Agreed, his garbage attempt at Self has caused long term ramifications for software development. We could have been using a real language for years now.

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      some idiot that poisoned the internet from the very beginning is an asshole.

      This jackass wrote js in 2 weeks at netscape and now nulls aren’t equal to other nulls.

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        We could have had Scheme in the browser instead, but the control freaks won and we got saddled with an inferior language instead, misleadingly named after Java because it was so long ago that some people still thought Java was cool.

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    This kind of statement have way less impact when people already have 0 goodwill toward the one that says it.

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    We knew Eich was an asshole when he tried to support that amendment in California ages ago

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      In addition to what others said, leadership drinks a lot of their own Kool-Aid. They spend a lot of time on Twitter and such.

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      They grew up getting their heads shoved into toilets, and are now eager to shove somebody else’s head into the toilet. I’m in my mid-30s, and I absolutely remember the teachers turning a blind eye to a bunch of kids ganging up on me with sticks in middle school, only to get detention for hitting them back with the book of arthurian legends I was trying to read.

      We basically got taught that bullying is a good thing the strong do to the weak, and it fucked up multiple generations.

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        Yeah and a lot of them are mad that they only got money and power while the other kids getting our asses kicked, the queer kids, got to be cool as adults instead. /hj

        Like i got taught not to be effeminate quite violently. While teachers picked on me for being weird and smart. I guess I just can’t give a shit about these people who love to make sob stories to justify their cruelty and bigotry. They can heal or get out of the way.

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      That’s the thing. They always were shit, just with Trump’s War on Woke, they now feel like the money they’ve always spent on good will of the public, DEI programs, keeping a muzzle on the racist/misogynistic/bigoted person running the company isn’t really needed. Now all that “wasted” money can go where it belongs…into shareholder profits.

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      Always has been. I considered anyone who used it slightly sus until further proof. And if they basically advertised it, I considered them too far gone to try anything else.

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        99% of people don’t care about the things that you care about, and use the products they enjoy using. Classifying people by the web browser they use is crazy talk.

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          When it’s owned and operated by a literal open bigot and the fact it only became popular after the bigot was removed from his office chair because of it? Yes, that’s a valid reason.

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          When it’s owned and operated by a literal open bigot and the fact it only became popular after the bigot was removed from his office chair because of it, I have every reason to question why someone uses a browser that promotes crypto, and steals from the content creators it said it funds.