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    • melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      2 days ago

      one fun thing we can already see; they’re .gov addresses, so it’s clearly not OUTSIDE the government. this is officially a government action, if laws still existed, that would have all sorts of interesting implications for everyone involved.

      they don’t, but, like, if they did.

    • LandedGentry@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      2 days ago

      I need to look into it more but my understanding is all of those services are kind of bullshit. They’ll knock out a few things but also they become part of the problem, especially if you stop paying.

      • Absaroka@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 days ago

        I hear you. One of those ‘you shouldn’t have to pay for a service like this’ moments.

        In a moment of weakness, I signed up for Incogni. I was getting 3/4 phone calls a day that weren’t leaving messages and it was getting overwhelming.

        I will say, somewhat anecdotally because I’m too busy to crunch the numbers, but it doesn’t seem like the spam email, phone calls and text messages I get have dropped dramatically. My wife too.

      • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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        2 days ago

        To save everyone time, here’s a draft set of productivity bullets for “turtle tester”:

        • Conducted thorough evaluations of turtle shell durability and structural integrity under various simulated environmental conditions.
        • Monitored and recorded turtle behavior to assess mobility and adaptability in controlled habitats.
        • Ensured all testing procedures adhered to ethical standards and guidelines for animal welfare.
        • Collaborated with team members to analyze data and improve testing methodologies for accuracy and efficiency.
        • Prepared detailed weekly reports summarizing findings and providing actionable recommendations for ongoing research.

        It’s important Elon Musk knows these things.

        • umbraroze@lemmy.world
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          2 days ago

          Elon Musk strikes me as an individual who doesn’t like turtles at all. He is therefore cursed, and shall never see the light of Heaven.

    • JackFrostNCola@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 days ago

      With a quick google, what are the chances that erm71 is code for “Elon Reeve Musk 1971”.
      There no way that a tech savvy individual would do something as simple as use his name and DOB for usernames and email addresses… Whats his password “teslarulez1971!”?

      • Dashi@lemmy.world
        47·
        2 days ago

        I’m sure that is exactly what it means. The point was to hide it a little bit, it’s not the standard first.last of everyone else but to make it still uniquely identifiable as musk. It’s not a completely unheard of practice to hide potential high spam targets. The goal isn’t to completely hide, just make it slightly harder to find

          • Dashi@lemmy.world
            18·
            2 days ago

            No it does not. Neither does having a password as they can be leaked or cracked or who knows what. Turning off tcmp echo on your router won’t stop all bad actors but it will stop some. All security practices are just small steps to make it slightly harder for bad actors.

            • pivot_root@lemmy.world
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              2 days ago

              There is no such thing as perfect security, but there’s a big difference between trying to obscure something confidential between two parties (a password) and trying to obscure information that by design must be shared with other parties (an email address).

              Outside of diligently using disposable alias addresses, obscuring an email is an exercise in futility. The biggest point of failure in security is the human, and all it takes is a single person to leak it. With all the people that need to communicate with Musk over email, the opportunity for that to happen is far higher than the chance of something like someone successfully cracking a hash.

              • Dashi@lemmy.world
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                2 days ago

                I 100% agree with you. But I’ll also admit that I email people ALL the time and I have no idea what their email alias is. I just hit reply.

                I absolutely agree with you that even with a rotation musk’s email alias will get leaked. I’m just agreeing with you that it was security through obscurification and it would have worked if one of the emails got leaked. A thousand people would have tried variations of elon.musk@ i am willing to bet none of them would have tried erm71@

                And let’s face it that man has an auto forward on his email lmao

        • brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          28·
          2 days ago

          This is why scraping LinkedIn works so well. Using the consistent email format gets you to your target easily. I’ve used it to get the contact info of the CTO of American Airlines before (his auto-reply included his cell number.)

      • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        510·
        2 days ago

        And why not? You forget there is beauty in brevity.

        A breach is a breach is a breach is a breach. You’d be criticizing his choice whether it was 5 simple characters or 500. When you K.I.S.S. it makes it easier to remember AND quicker to enter, access. I had to choose a password for work once, and I made it a little complex…work constantly logged me out 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄…I had to enter that stupid fucking password so many fucking times, yes, it was secure. It was also DUMB and FRUSTRATING. Next 3 passwords were far simpler to repeatedly type in; I learned my lesson.

        Same with Apple always auto-generating stupid passwords, I hope you never have to type them in! It’s just dumb, as illustrated by XKCD.

        XKCD also has a suggestion for strong, memorable, easy passwords.

        Be smart. Make life simple. Don’t do stupid things. 🫡

        • SabinStargem@lemmings.worldEnglish
          5·
          2 days ago

          My rule: If I can’t easily write nor remember a daily password, it is crap. My strong passwords are kept in a offline password manager, which has a relatively weak master password in the vein of “R!seaboveit@ll”. Not ideal, but at least a human can type it.

          The real danger is going to be websites leaking or sharing the individual password it is given. So long as no one knows your (offline) manager’s pass, the threat can be cordoned off. Unfortunately, we can expect the integration of AI into OS ecosystems to make that method vulnerable. Say, for example, Microsoft’s Copilot or Google’s Android.

          • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafeEnglish
            2·
            2 days ago

            Ha, son of a bitch. That is almost exactly what I do. 😆

            There are always vulnerabilities; you can’t make things truly secure, you only make them less insecure.

            All my passwords are longer & stronger, XKCD method, easy to read & type. Granted I don’t have Apple or my password manager generating gibberish passwords for me, takes 20 seconds each, I think them up. Maybe you should try it, too, idk. Leave the gibberish behind. I’m so glad I did.

  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
    151·
    2 days ago

    Ok, so if the entire world turns into a dictatorship, with no free countries. Seriously, who will even want to live in it? How long until the population just de-pops itself?

    • orize@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      20·
      2 days ago

      We’re already there?

      I am 31 years old. A lot of my friends aren’t chasing partners, yet those who do don’t really want to make babies due to the long array of problems affecting quality of life.

      • varyingExpertise@feddit.orgEnglish
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        1 day ago

        Historically, people have made babies under much more dire circumstances and some of them made it through so we’re here today. I don’t feel like having kids either, I know, but I think this sentiment comes from a luxurious position.

        • klu9@lemmy.caEnglish
          4·
          1 day ago

          Historically, people didn’t have easy access to multiple forms of birth control.

          But then they’ve already started working on that: Dobbs, period policing, “NO CONDOMS FOR GAZA!!!”

          • varyingExpertise@feddit.orgEnglish
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            1 day ago

            My mother was born in a basement during the bombardments of Dresden while the house above them was burning. Her mother had barely made it out of the second floor with burning phosphorus running down the walls. At this point, my grandparents had been on the road for quite a while, narrowly escaping the Russian front, starting with leaving behind every single thing they owned at their farm estate in Silesia. They had nothing but their clothes on their back and they already experienced, that nobody wanted anything to do with the refugees from the east.

            My inconveniences are mild, compared to that. They are significant for me, but historically, we’re still at an all time high compared to our ancestors, unless you have old money in your bloodline.

    • SushiRain@lemmy.world
      22·
      1 day ago

      Aside from the economy, the EU is pretty ok tbh…so “the whole world” is a bit of a stretch.

    • Bigfoot@lemm.ee
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      1 day ago

      What people want will have little to do with it, unfortunately. The “hope” is that contraception bans combined with misleading/nonexistent sex ed will maintain a population.

      • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        23 hours ago

        After they destroyed any sense of community? Pushing individualism might be what has led to this

  • Clbull@lemmy.world
    15·
    1 day ago

    [Removed by Reddit]

    Of course Steve Cuckman would be the first to try and cover this up.

  • turnip@lemm.eeEnglish
    373·
    2 days ago

    Why are we doxxing these people, theyre running the same rat race as everyone else and doing a job the government we voted for is paying them to do. Is this supposed to be a petty revenge?

    • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      491·
      2 days ago

      They know why they are in that department and job. They want to take an active part in dismantling their own government.

      Fuck these people.

      • sleepyleaf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 days ago

        Honestly, I don’t think they really understand why they’re there.

        They’re in their twenties. Some of them are college students. I think at least one is a literal teenager.

        Musk chose these children because they don’t have the life experience to understand the consequences of their actions.

        Cut billions of dollars in aid to the poorest people in the world? Without having any authority to do it? An average person would stop and think “how many people are going to die from this?” Or, more selfishly, “what consequences will I face in the future if I do something so fundamentally evil?” Or, more practically, “is what I’m doing legal, and will Trump and Musk throw me under the bus and claim I acted without orders if I get criminally charged for this?”

        These kids aren’t thinking about long-term consequences. They’re thinking “the richest man in the world chose me to transform America and I have to live up to his expectations”.

        Blind loyalty. That’s it.

        It’s why armies recruit men young.

        • skunkaward@lemmy.caEnglish
          91·
          2 days ago

          Sounds like a similar excuse the concentration camp guards used after WWII

        • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world
          11·
          2 days ago

          You’re not wrong that they might not realize the consequences. But the consequences are still real. I would much prefer that the consequences of their actions are things like cyber bullying and phishing instead of things like WW3 and yet another holocaust

          • Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            2 days ago

            Exactly. That’s why making it harder for them to dismantle the government is actively helpful to multiple nations, and being able to spoof emails from others on that list is probably the best way to get around any filters. Not that I’d ever advocate for doxxing. Nope. Definitely noone should ever do that or anything else illegal ever.

        • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          231·
          2 days ago

          Cut billions of dollars in aid to the poorest people in the world? Without having any authority to do it? An average person would stop and think “how many people are going to die from this?” Or, more selfishly, “what consequences will I face in the future if I do something so fundamentally evil?” Or, more practically, “is what I’m doing legal, and will Trump and Musk throw me under the bus and claim I acted without orders if I get criminally charged for this?”

          These kids aren’t thinking about long-term consequences. They’re thinking “the richest man in the world chose me to transform America and I have to live up to his expectations”.

          You’ve almost got it right. An average person would stop and think about shit like that. A psychopath would not.

          They may be young adults, but they are still adults. Adults still go to prison for doing stupid shit that gets people killed. All of these adults are getting people killed. Literally.

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          They are literally killing children and babies same as if they were standing there stepping on their little faces and leaving bloody footprints in their wake. No sympathy for child killers.

        • Lemminary@lemmy.world
          7·
          2 days ago

          these children

          I’m sorry but no. When I was younger than that I was following the news. I remember listening to Dubya and Obama’s state of the union speeches and such. I remember being horrified at each war being declared. I remember how civil rights were given or taken away depending on the weather. And before that I was having debates with my teammates about religion and politics in and out of school.

          All this to say, besides that I was quite insufferable and still may be, is that I was refining my values and my morals along the way. I knew what was right from wrong, I knew where the boundaries lay, and I knew that certain actions by authorities were bad. And I was damn young. I don’t think I’m smarter than the average person, but I know damn well what I was thinking back then.

          Don’t underestimate young people. These people know very well what they’re doing.

          • Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            2 days ago

            Pre edit: Oh, lol. I just typed this out and realized you were the same guy from elsewhere in the comments. Feel free to completely disagree with me, but I’m leaving this here for others that want to read and think.

            There are a lot of great answers to the question, how about this one.

            When the USA spent 6.5 billion anually (started with George Bush) it prevented 20 million people from being able to spread HIV each year. This includes to children that would be born with HIV. Now you might not have the empathy to consider investing that for foreign adults and children at the cost of double what just Elon Musk got last year in government contracts, but let’s change from HIV to the next Covid. What would happen to the rate of infection globally if 20 million more people from some of the poorest countries became vectors of a highly contagious deisease? That sounds like a problem for the USA to me.

        • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
          4·
          2 days ago

          I learned about Nazis and “just following orders” before 6th grade. 20 year olds are not infants.

    • My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world
      61·
      2 days ago

      Genuinely curious how knowing personal emails would be useful as opposed to the work emails. I’m not even sure how knowing the work emails is useful, but I’m always eager to be educated.

      • tweeks@feddit.nl
        5·
        2 days ago

        Well, not that I approve of the practice, but you could find site logins that the email is used in, breaches that it’s been in (potentially finding (old) passwords).

        With that info, if not for identity theft directly, can be used for fishing and profiling.

        • My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 day ago

          Ah, gotcha. I picked up a reddit permaban for mentioning in a comment that someone else in another sub had found the initial 4 DOGE kiddos’ phone numbers and parents’ addresses by viewing their public social media profiles and GitHubs. Played with the idea of sending each of them No Thank You cards in the mail, but the permaban made me hesitant to dish out more mischief.