I’m sorry, never heard about shorthand systems.
What’s that?
And why can’t we have a comparable community here? (Like the one you linked and it’s about screen didn’t really give me any info on what it’s about ;-))
Shorthand is a method of writing faster and/or more compactly. Speeds over 200 words per minute are attested, or fitting an entire printed page on a sticky note.
It’s an extremely niche interest, so the main thing preventing a comparable community here is enough active users who are interested. I’ve wanted to do a series of posts teaching one of the systems, but I’ve not hand the chance.
As I’m rocking a reMarkable, my priorities would be ranked:
speed
size on page
Everything else, I’m not exactly decided on, like number of users isn’t really important to me, because I’m mostly taking notes for myself.
Phonetics also aren’t really important, because I’m mostly focused on technical stuff.
Study time? Well, it is what it is. And when it’s worth it, I’ll put in the time. But maybe it would be nice to have something quickly rewarding to start?
But this probably shouldn’t be orientated about my needs.
Anything you provide about this interesting topic, especially when you include practical usage, is absolutely appreciated!
It’s all good. I just asked about your needs so I could give customised recommendations. :)
A popular option for folks that need exact spellings is Callendar’s Orthographic Shorthand. One of the /r/shorthand regulars digitized the instruction materials. It starts off as a simple alphabet replacement, then layers on more space and time savings. On the Fediverse, @[email protected] has been posting her take on it.
An easier and more compact option is Ponish. The manual is… eccentric, but the system is solid. It’s a modernized version of the 17th century Tachygraphy system by Thomas Shelton. Because no characters depend on size to differentiate, you can write as small as your hand will let you. There is a lower speed ceiling than “Orthic” unless you do some system development of your own. I’ve got ideas for improvement, but that gets into the weeds.
Two other options worth mentioning: Sweet’s Current & Schlam’s. They look and feel more like cursive. The former gets complex, but it’s uniquely beautiful. Both are available on /u/Filalethia’s comprehensive shorthand archive.
I’ll try to contain my jealousy over the ReMarkable. ;) I’ve wanted one for ages.
Thank you!
Looking forward to your posts and thanks for the links :-D
Regarding the reMarkable:
I’m a fan since the first generation and now have the new pro version.
I really fucking love it and I can’t imagine my work without it anymore.
Before that I always had A4 notebooks with me. One per project and I couldn’t just discard filled up ones, because I sometimes needed to check my earlier notes
So after some time, I was packing multiple notebooks on business trips and that got really heavy.
The reMarkable completely solved that.
I would still like to have it perform a bit faster on some cases and I missed some features, like drawing geometric things (or just a straight line), but since the last update they brought in a really cool feature.
You draw something like a line, square or circle, and if you want to have it straightened out (and not consist of your own wobbly lines), you just hold the pen in place after finishing the shape and it will make it geometrically nicely drawn.
As said, I really love it :-)
Although the price tag is a bit hard, I’ve given away the 2 earlier generations to friends and so they still have a happy productive life, after I upgraded.
So I’m fine with that at least…
Edit: looking through the links, it’s pretty much focused on the English alphabet. As a German speaker, I’ll probably need something for ö,ä,ü,ß - although I could probably extend that myself a bit, when needed
All in all, that looks very very interesting and could really help me in my daily work :-D
Seems my wife is hooked as well, as she often needs to make quick notes during her work
Edit 2: woah, ok
First off, this all looks amazingly tempting, but I’m completely overwhelmed with the choices
I’d need something to quickly write technical stuff down - like “just” replacing typical letters with easier/faster written ones, and cursive sounds more fun/fluid to write.
But I’m having a hard time to filter out the systems, that base on phonetics. Because I think, that would make it harder for me to actually read my notes, and as I’m usually not transcribing spoken words, I don’t really need that part.
I’m still looking through your recommendations, so sorry, if I missed something, that already matches my requirements. But would you have any system in mind, that would fit my purpose to quickly note down my thoughts and concepts that way?
I’ve actually been interested in shorthand for years. If you want to migrate over some of the better old content from reddit, I’ll sub and see what happens
That’s the biggest problem with everyone doing the corporate socials’ enshittification cycles instead of POSSE and/or independent services. Cool communities just fracture and die.
I’ve tried to get people to see this for decades. Maybe it’ll finally enter the zeitgeist this go around.
I’m stuck on there because /r/shorthand is inimitable (for now). [email protected], but it’ll have to be bootstrapped.
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I’m sorry, never heard about shorthand systems.
What’s that?
And why can’t we have a comparable community here? (Like the one you linked and it’s about screen didn’t really give me any info on what it’s about ;-))
Shorthand is a method of writing faster and/or more compactly. Speeds over 200 words per minute are attested, or fitting an entire printed page on a sticky note.
It’s an extremely niche interest, so the main thing preventing a comparable community here is enough active users who are interested. I’ve wanted to do a series of posts teaching one of the systems, but I’ve not hand the chance.
That sounds pretty cool actually! :-D
Is it hard to learn?
And could you maybe give me some entry level links or so?
I think so!
The difficulty depends on several things, but the easiest systems can be picked up enough to use in a few days to weeks.
I’ll try to put together an intro post this weekend. How would you rank these features?
As I’m rocking a reMarkable, my priorities would be ranked:
Everything else, I’m not exactly decided on, like number of users isn’t really important to me, because I’m mostly taking notes for myself.
Phonetics also aren’t really important, because I’m mostly focused on technical stuff.
Study time? Well, it is what it is. And when it’s worth it, I’ll put in the time. But maybe it would be nice to have something quickly rewarding to start?
But this probably shouldn’t be orientated about my needs.
Anything you provide about this interesting topic, especially when you include practical usage, is absolutely appreciated!
It’s all good. I just asked about your needs so I could give customised recommendations. :)
A popular option for folks that need exact spellings is Callendar’s Orthographic Shorthand. One of the /r/shorthand regulars digitized the instruction materials. It starts off as a simple alphabet replacement, then layers on more space and time savings. On the Fediverse, @[email protected] has been posting her take on it.
An easier and more compact option is Ponish. The manual is… eccentric, but the system is solid. It’s a modernized version of the 17th century Tachygraphy system by Thomas Shelton. Because no characters depend on size to differentiate, you can write as small as your hand will let you. There is a lower speed ceiling than “Orthic” unless you do some system development of your own. I’ve got ideas for improvement, but that gets into the weeds.
Two other options worth mentioning: Sweet’s Current & Schlam’s. They look and feel more like cursive. The former gets complex, but it’s uniquely beautiful. Both are available on /u/Filalethia’s comprehensive shorthand archive.
I’ll try to contain my jealousy over the ReMarkable. ;) I’ve wanted one for ages.
Thank you!
Looking forward to your posts and thanks for the links :-D
Regarding the reMarkable:
I’m a fan since the first generation and now have the new pro version.
I really fucking love it and I can’t imagine my work without it anymore.
Before that I always had A4 notebooks with me. One per project and I couldn’t just discard filled up ones, because I sometimes needed to check my earlier notes
So after some time, I was packing multiple notebooks on business trips and that got really heavy.
The reMarkable completely solved that.
I would still like to have it perform a bit faster on some cases and I missed some features, like drawing geometric things (or just a straight line), but since the last update they brought in a really cool feature.
You draw something like a line, square or circle, and if you want to have it straightened out (and not consist of your own wobbly lines), you just hold the pen in place after finishing the shape and it will make it geometrically nicely drawn.
As said, I really love it :-)
Although the price tag is a bit hard, I’ve given away the 2 earlier generations to friends and so they still have a happy productive life, after I upgraded.
So I’m fine with that at least…
Edit: looking through the links, it’s pretty much focused on the English alphabet. As a German speaker, I’ll probably need something for ö,ä,ü,ß - although I could probably extend that myself a bit, when needed
All in all, that looks very very interesting and could really help me in my daily work :-D
Seems my wife is hooked as well, as she often needs to make quick notes during her work
Edit 2: woah, ok
First off, this all looks amazingly tempting, but I’m completely overwhelmed with the choices
I’d need something to quickly write technical stuff down - like “just” replacing typical letters with easier/faster written ones, and cursive sounds more fun/fluid to write.
But I’m having a hard time to filter out the systems, that base on phonetics. Because I think, that would make it harder for me to actually read my notes, and as I’m usually not transcribing spoken words, I don’t really need that part.
I’m still looking through your recommendations, so sorry, if I missed something, that already matches my requirements. But would you have any system in mind, that would fit my purpose to quickly note down my thoughts and concepts that way?
I’ve actually been interested in shorthand for years. If you want to migrate over some of the better old content from reddit, I’ll sub and see what happens
You know what, why not? I’ll give it a go. Let’s see what happens.
there are a couple of niche communities there, that wont be easily replicated here if at all.
That’s the biggest problem with everyone doing the corporate socials’ enshittification cycles instead of POSSE and/or independent services. Cool communities just fracture and die.
I’ve tried to get people to see this for decades. Maybe it’ll finally enter the zeitgeist this go around.