The election was stolen with Russian and Muskys help.

It should never have been close enough for them to matter.

This is who we are.

No. The answer was even more centrists and shitting on progressives even harder. Don’t worry, it’ll definitely work next election, trust me.

I totally agree, but that someone would have to be a champion of the working class.

Unfortunately, even on the left there are plenty of greedy, entitled assholes that will never support a candidate that threatens their wealth.

It’s why they didn’t nominate Bernie, twice. They’d rather have trump.

I think 100%. Both these parties don’t work for middle class. Exceptions are Bernie and AOC. Without a third party pressure, we cannot win this oligarch war.

More people didn’t vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.

Fucking idiots.

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You can’t just blame a group of people for anything though, it’s not like geographic boundaries determine morality.

Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?

And unfortunately, until that changes the next elections are going to be the same. Trump’s approval is down, but it’s still higher than it was at this point his last term.

Ah yes, Palestine abstainers, too small to make a difference (so you can’t blame them for ushering in fascism and several additional genocides!) but also large enough that if Dems had just Tried This One Simple Trick, they would have gained net millions of votes and won the election.

That 1% is the hardest percent to get. There are other major issues she’d have to compromise on, like her support of the spoiler effect.

With the benefit of hindsight, exit polls showed that the biggest issue to voters was the economy, not Palestine. So they voted for the guy who offered change, even though the change was bad.

Sir, this is a Lemmy’s

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I voted, and my vote definitely did not matter. Nor will it until we completely overhaul the election system, getting rid of the electoral college and first past the post. I don’t think that’s going to happen either until politicians acquire enough fear to offset their greed.

If you live in a blue state and didn’t vote, how are you complicit?

The most complicit are the genocidal wackos who nominated a cop/prosecutor that campaigned to the cheyneys.

Nobody should be shamed into voting for trash.

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

Your biden sent the bombs that killed my friend in lebannon.

I hate americans lol. How does your own medecine taste like bitch?

The only significantly statically impactful group of “non voters” is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.

Meaning the major majority of voters that didn’t vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.

These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters’ that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.

I guess I just want to say “in conclusion” that the vast majority of voters that didn’t vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.

I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to “risk” their shift for.

No one’s gonna “risk a shift” for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don’t get people to “risk their shift” for voting for a lesser evil.

Or suppressed. I’ll give some anecdotal examples. I have a friend that lives in a major metropolitan area with over 2.6 million people. When he applied to get a photo ID (he lost his previous one and needed a new one), the soonest appointment available for the entire metropolitan area was 3 months out. That’s just for the appointment to apply for the ID, not actually receiving the ID. You are required to have a photo ID to vote. Then, voter registration in itself must also be completed at least a month before an election. Now, let’s talk about the process of actually voting. I’ve personally stood in line for over 6 hours to vote. A lot of the people waiting in line had to leave to pick up their kids and other things. If you don’t pick up your kids from school or daycare at very specific times, there are serious penalties. While I was waiting, there must have been at least 40 people in front of me that had to leave before voting. Many of them had waited in line for over 4 hours. For most people, waiting in line is the only way to vote. Only the elderly and disabled qualify to vote by mail. Make no mistake, voter suppression is very effective, and it is implemented specifically in areas that vote against what the ruling party wants. In Trump leaning areas, the lines were no longer than a two minute wait if they existed at all. Trump never would have won either election if it wasn’t for voter suppression.

You lot never blame the dem leadership for making their biggest funder AIPAC/Israel, and allowing AIPAC funding to completely steer the party platform, the candidate choice, and the course of the race. Somehow Dem leaders are simply immune from blame in your eyes, even when AIPAC steers this outcome straight to a loss and Israelis said they never wanted the dems to win anyway.
The dems losing was much more desirable to AIPAC than a non genocide dem entering the race. The polls told dem leadership they were going to lose for the entire race and they decided to take the loss rather than give in to the no-to-genocide voters. AIPAC/Israel was more important to dem leadership than winning the race. Why do you still imagine that AIPAC supports dem voters or cares about America? You’ve learned nothing and you’re on the way to lose some more. Did you hear Dem leaders talk about the needs of the voters very much? No. You didnt-- but you sure saw them get animated and passionate about supporting zionist war crimes.

For my vote, I wasnt going to lift a finger for any war criminal of any party, even if it meant this country burned itself to the ground. If the choice is murder lots of innocents or burn this place to the ground, I chose not to participate and let this place burn itself to the ground, and I’ll do it again if needed-- so will lots of other people – and theres nothing you can do about it. Dems cant win an election without them either.

So “blame” me on the internet all day, your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer. I hope every dem leader gets to experience unemployment, and if it leads to revolution or “regime change” as we like to casually say it when its other countries suffering, then so be it. Its past time for this farce to “fundamentally change”.

Does it sound like we don’t mind that much? Srs?

Not talking about the corporate news sewers, which is a whole other discussion. Average schmucks who live in America, do they sound like they don’t mind it much?

The meme is about how razor-thin their control is. And it is. It is also (at the moment) time-bound.

This is exactly the same argument that was levelled against Brexit.

In many, many concrete and specific ways Brexit was a test-run for trump. Same people, same money, same goals.

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I’d say the lesser evil is the greatest ally of authoritarianism in this case.

People don’t vote for democrats because democrats don’t care about the working class. They just use the culture war as a distraction from the class war.

If useful idiots didn’t vote for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary, we would’ve had 8 years of Bernie and 0 years of trump.

Instead, they just throw a woman up and say “hey guys! first BLACK woman president! Vote for us or you’re a bigot fascist!”

Surprise surprise, that’s not a winning strategy. Stop supporting the democrats who push it.

Fun fact: both times democrats ran a female president resulted in a trump presidency. In other words, 100% of female democratic presidential candidates lost to trump. If we follow history and want a fascist in office, let’s run a female that doesn’t care about the working class.

He may not have sieg heiled publicly, but do you really need proof that he is a fascist?