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THAAAAAT’S THE SPIRIT
Someone’s been keeping tabs on the price of copper.
At today’s market price that’d be $305,000. Not as much as I was expecting. Google says there’s approximately 62,000LBS of copper in the statue.
That’s only according to the National Parks Service. Others say potentially as much as 200,000 lbs, or about $1 million USD worth
Source: https://copper.org/consumers/arts/2008/february/Statue_of_Liberty.php
It’s hard to say for sure since it was made so long ago, was restored in the 80s, and is big as hell, haha
Y’all can come take it, I’m not gonna stop you but I’m also not going to pay for it
Well, no, it would be us paying for it. Taxes aren’t yours, they’re ours.
No I mean it I’m not paying taxes again. why should I pay money for the Government to send it’s armed goons after me? I already expected the alien act that Trump activated over the weekend. The same shit they used to take everything from Japanese Americans during ww2 and leave them in dirt. Explain to me why I should pay for that?
Thought that this was a joke originally.
I think we should if they pay us for the shipping charges in French-made guillotines. We need a lot of those in the US right now.
This feels appropriate
welcome to Lemmy btw :)
That’s rich coming from a party which saved the (partially) far right government from dissolution.
There’s a big difference from the far right and full blown nazis
Yeah, that difference is about 8 years.
To whom? Macron, who refuses to respect the will of the voters, and continues to elevate the far right in France?
Yeah. Macron is extremely bad with domestic politics which is why the French far-right keeps gaining ground. I tell the so-called blue MAGA that if Americans could articulate their thoughts away from the cringey false dichotomy of “blue, liberal Democrats” versus “red, conservative Republicans”, the Democratic party is at best a neoliberal centre-right party who still value private property and free market, however socially progressive they are. Hence, as Macron and the Democratic party demonstrated, liberals will always side with fascists when it comes to it, instead of actually curb stomping the far-right for good.
But since we are talking about how awful Macron’s domestic policies are, the opposite side is Macron being inversely good in foreign policies. He had been proven correct searching for strategic autonomy, and able to stand up to the bullying tactics of both Trump and Putin. Someone in Reddit mentioned Macron is probably easily bored with local politics. I have to agree and I am exactly the same. I prefer international news and politics over local; because the latter is like keeping up with school gossip with too many white noise. And the details of the story change every damn time. Meanwhile, international politics typically settles over a bit quickly and you get the fuller picture as a result. Besides, I think if you follow international news and politics more, you see the entire forest than just a tree and thus you could easily see solutions to local problems by applying what other nations are doing right.
Occam’s Razor: It’s not that Macron is a domestic right winger who happens to be correct on international politics. It’s that your beliefs are left domestically, but you’re supporting right-wing foreign policy.
Macron is centrist at best, who is socially progressive but economically right, in which the latter is only feeding the right.
He had been advocating for EU army since Trump’s first term. I was indifferent or at best opposed to it because, like most people, nobody thought Trump is crazy enough to threaten to pull out of NATO, and there was no war in Ukraine. Then now with Trump 2.0, him pulling out from more international obligations, and the invasion of Ukraine happening at the same time, I can see why re-arming is a better course. I am still not a fan of an EU army, but I am sympathetic to the sentiment.
Also, it is not “right wing” to allow rearmament. There are right wingers who are isolationists, especially those with ties of varying degrees to Kremlin and don’t see Putin as a problem. Sure, there are even left wing isolationists.
Right, so you’re a NATO supporter. As I said, you’re rightwing on foreign policy.
I don’t support NATO either. But is as if there are no left leaning supporter for international military alliance lol. I don’t know what your smoking, but no thanks.
So you don’t think you’re rightwing, but you think there should be a massive international military alliance 🤦🏻♂️
Haha. I don’t know if you are trolling or not, but look up defensive democracy and military Keynesianism.
Macron’s foreign policy isn’t left or right or centre it’s French. It’s actually quite exceptional for a nation’s foreign policy, at least in its core aspects, the steady lines, doctrine and long-term strategy, to be partisan. France is all about strategic autonomy, and to make that more affordable they’re pushing for European strategic autonomy, hence the constant heavily anti-Atlanticist streak.
And that applies to the US too, btw: Biden waged a trade war against the EU with the inflation reduction act. Tactics might differ, crassness differs, the core elements? Exactly the same.
Yes, it’s right wing everywhere. That’s because capitalism requires constant aggression to gain access to new markets and resources to exploit. So it has spread like a virus. And if a country doesn’t comply with right wing global policies, they’re overthrown by right wing capitalists.
Why don’t you ask the people in French colonies if they think French foreign policy is right wing?
As to extractive capitalism: What part about “strategic autonomy” do you not understand. How can you be autonomous if you’re reliant on extractive exploitation. Also, former colonies. Also, ask Mali whether they’re faring better under Russia’s thumb. France is not in the business of forcing itself on countries if they’re hell-bent on making idiotic mistakes. The offer was there to help Mali keep out Islamists and extractive capitalism, what did the Junta do? Invite Wagner over so they can join in massacring the civilian population.
France does have some homework to do regarding its colonial past, big and glaring one being the Haiti debt, but you know what you sound like? Like an ANC politician willing to blame your country’s issues on anything but your own corruption. “Oh no it is the colonisers who make us embezzle our people’s wealth”.
France just had to be forced out of African colonial holdings within the past year, and they sabotaged infrastructure on their way out.
I’m curious why you’re not giving specifics. Maybe because it’s part of the Russian colonial programme? France left, willingly, when those states withdrew their invitation. They didn’t force themselves in in the first place, they were there to fight Boko Haram and like ilk. The states had some reservations “The French are going to do all the fighting without developing our own military capabilities so afterwards we’ll still be vulnerable”. Germany said “yep we’ll expect the same that’s how they roll” so Germany went in together with the French, specifically doing training. Both left together once uninvited.
And don’t tell me they should’ve left bases etc. for Wagner to use.
I’m curious: Is Russia currently involved in an imperialist, genocidal conquest of Ukraine? Yes or no. Once that’s out of the way we can start talking about Africa.
…and don’t fucking even begin talking about Uranium. Noone needs North African Uranium, Australia has everyone covered for millennia to come.
Thank you; people keep getting excited whenever France makes moves towards forms of leadership these days but I can’t help but suspect that Macron doesn’t want to eradicate the global hegemony America had held through recent history but put France in its place.
Demanding back a gift given in celebration of America’s abolition of slavery solely on the basis that France was the one to gift it (i.e. ownership) is too on-the-nose, even if you tried.
You don’t need to suspect. He’s confirmed it plenty of times. He will shut the country down before allowing the left to seize power.
I could legitimately see this happening, by now. Fox News builds it up for a week, then Trump/Musk make a big spectacle of sending it back and replacing it with a giant statue of Trump.
They’d probably melt it down instead, just to avoid giving it back.
A giant dump would also fit to the current timeline.
They’re the same picture.
replacing it with a giant statue of Trump.
Made of plastic, made in China
Don’t bring that thought into reality.
You can picture it, can’t you. The entire thing covered in shitty gold spray paint. My God, it’s becoming so clear now…
Edit: Fun fact, Grok wouldn’t create the same image featuring Kamala Harris.
Why is it so low res
Images from the Future are usually not as clear.
Wait until that 20/20 hindsight
Far fewer visionaries emerged in 2020 than those of us with a penchant for puns would have liked 🫤
Fwiw: that you know of
Tacheon particles traveling backwards through (what you perceive as) time are clouding visibility into the near future
No that’s not right - you gotta lose the torch and make it look like he’s “sending his heart out to the world”
Edit: also, holy censorship, Batman :O that is wild.
Could you set the arm at a slightly lower and rightward angle? Open palm, maybe?
This is pretty funny tbh.
Until they replace it with a Trump statue
Oh hey, look at the meme I made and posted 6 years ago on Reddit, the last time this xenophobic moron was in office. It’s almost like we could have predicted this shit.
But no, I was ‘hyperbolic’ and ‘alarmist’ at the time.
(Sorry for the Reddit link, it was this:)
Title: I’m sure Macron would be very happy to work out travel arrangements.
What’s the opposite of eating the onion? I saw this elsewhere this morning and though haha, that’s obviously satire.
Throwing up an onion
We should. You should demand we do. Am American, and I fully support this.
He is not wrong.
has the us ever truly stood for the values the statue is said to represent?
Depends on what you think it represents.
It’s traditionally a symbol of opportunity, or new start style liberty.
America has, for a long time, been a place of hope or opportunity for immigrants. Not necessarily welcome, kindness, or prosperity, but hope.
With the visibly growing xenophobia this has tragically waned, but even still we have some of the highest immigration rates in the world.
The poem at the base of the statue, The New Colossus, makes its meaning pretty clear.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”The US never lived up to the promise the statue made.
Meh, she wasn’t actually made for us. The artist that made her was commissioned by the Sultan of The Ottoman Empire, and he paid up front, so the artist got to work in the mid 1800s. The Sultan wanted her standing at the entrance to the Suez Canal, which was due to open soon. That’s why she’s Egyptian/ Middle Eastern. It also explains her crown. She’s a light bearer. She was supposed to signify the knowledge and wealth that flowed from the Ottoman Empire to Europe and Asia. She originally carried a torch and a bouquet of spices and herbs.
Unfortunately for the Sultan, he died before the artist, or the canal, was completed. When the artist contacted the new Sultan to let him know he was ready to construct her, the new Sultan told him to go ahead and melt her down for all he cared. He graciously said that the artist didn’t owe him any money back, and that he was certain that the artist did good work, but he believed that statues were graven images, and therefore they no longer wanted the statue.
Fast forward to 1871.
The artist has a meeting with The French Ambassador to America, The President of the French-American Friendship Society, and himself. Turns out the US centennial is coming up. The ambassador suggested that the artist remove the bouquet, and replace it with a book that contains the most American sounding thing ever, and they’ll never notice she isn’t European. So the ambassador and president gathered up the funding, and sent the newly dubbed “Lady Liberty,” from the Parisian warehouse she had been gathering dust in, to New York in time to be fully erected by July 4, 1876.
That date is completely wrong and the rest of this comment is full of inconsistency anyway. The root of this claim is only traceable to a fraudulent historian known for pro-islamic hate, propaganda, and fictitious historical Turkish/Ottoman revisionism, named Mustafa Armagan. Yes, the sculptor wanted to make a statue for the Suez Canal, but the directors involved declined. There is no evidence the Ottomans paid for it, that the statue was crafted before the plan to give it to the US, that the Ottomans had enough say in the Canal’s decoration when the project was conceived and constructed during a more autonomous Egyptian rule with heavy French influence, or that anything was modified in physical form from an Egyptian figure. The only thing thing confirmed to exist in 1876 was the torch arm which didn’t even arrive until late 1876. The statue was not fully erected until 1886. The design was reconfigured, not some “statue sitting in a Parisian warehouse” because the designer wanted to make it, not the Ottomans.
It’s really not surprising that a generic semi-European woman would have some traits maybe closer to Mediterranean than French because it was an homage to the Colossus of Rhodes.
This is one of my new favourite bits of totally unnecessary information, thank you.
Someone else replied to say it was incorrect.
Okay, thanks for letting me know!
I had searched up the Egypt Carrying the Light to Asia which notes that the statue was based off a design that was meant to be at the Suez canal and the concept was reused as the statue of Liberty after being declined, which I still find pretty interesting. I guess the original commenter added a bunch of the other stuff based on the misinformation that the other commenter pointed out.
My family came to the US via Ellis Island as poor Jewish immigrants escaping pogroms of Eastern Europe.
Yes, the US once was a land of opportunity that did help the lives of many poor & oppressed families.
They slammed the door shut shortly before ww2. So the statue had meaning for like 30-40 good years.
