A controversial proposal from U.S Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to let bird flu naturally spread through poultry farms is raising alarms among scientists – who say the move could be inhumane and dangerous.

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    That’s not RFK Jr. talking. He died long ago. His body is being controlled by the worms.

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      From what I know it’s mostly the trucks transporting between farms. They’re not being cleaned frequently enough or well enough. Though, there is I think some cases of it being transmitted in migrating wildlife.

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    Who would have known. The russian mafia puppet government that’s doing it’s best impression of the New world order stereotype… is suggesting a population cull

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    For the unaware, this bird flu variant has about a 50/50 survival rate. It won’t be like Covid.

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      It’s a bit complicated. That survival rate primarily includes people who become severely ill and seek medical attention. Since it’s the most severe cases, the case fatality rate (CFR) will appear higher.

      HOWEVER, what also needs to be emphasized is that a disease with like a 10% CFR is probably a civilization (as we know it) ending disease. I believe covid 19 was between like 1-2% and we saw how it nearly broke our health care system, and that was with people more competent than RFK in charge.

      If a disease emerges that spreads as easily as COVID did and with a CFR rate 3 to 4X as worse, it’d obliterate the health care system very, very quickly. Then people are going to start dying en masse from preventable diseases, like common infections, moderate injuries (e.g. broken leg) etc.

      If a disease emerges that spreads as fast and far as COVID and has a 50% CFR, yeah that’d collapse most societies completely. Maybe some societies that can truly lock down and enforce social distancing, like China, could survive long enough for a vaccine or other solution to become available.

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      From what I’ve read i think it will be worse than 50/50 if lots get it because the recovery stories I’ve seen involved weeks in the ICU and required those machines that help with organ functions like pumping blood.

      There will be a massive shortage of ICU beds and machines to save the people.

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        And no Medicaid/Medicare to pay for it. So, even if they get the care, they’ll be crushed by massive debt afterward.

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          If a disease with anything close to a 50% case fatality rate spreads far and wide, it’ll collapse human civilization. There won’t be anyone to collect the debt afterward. Those who survive would have to rebuild society from the ground up.

          If it doesn’t spread far and wide and it’s only a small number of people who end in ICU, yeah they’ll need to hire a bankrupcty lawyer once they recover.

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    If bird flu is such a minor issue, I say we inject it into Donald Trump, JD Vance, RFK Jr., and Elon Musk. Demonstrate how safe it is. Do it. Come on. DO IT YOU WUSSES.

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      why inject, since you can spread bird flu by coughing in the same room as them. Trump also is a well known germaphobe too, considered trump and his dad both bullied thier brother into suicide and alcoholism.

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        I’m pretty sure bird flu currently cannot be spread person-to-person and that’s why it’s only a notable concern rather than a pandemic 2.0 level threat

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      Interestingly, my understanding of the way in which flu vaccine was (in part) produced involved injecting blood infected with a the flu into developing chicken embryos (eggs), allowing them to develop the flu, and several probably very complicated steps later, you’ve got flu virus particles for a vaccine.

      Any ways…

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      Yes. Tell them we need their ubermensch genetics to base a cure on. Tell them they’ll be rich for it.

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    BND: There’s a high probability that the last pandemic was caused by negligence in China.

    US: Last Pandemic? Wait, hold my pisswater.

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    “The way we raise birds now, there’s not a lot of genetic variability,” Hansen said. “They’re all the same bird, basically.”

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    Inhumane is ironic considering that the mere existence of poultry farms is inhumane. But yeah, it would be stupid, cruel and it will raise the chance of mutations that spread to other species including us.

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      I think they really mean it would be inhumane if you consider the problem vis-a-vis the yardstick most Americant capitalists measure their “humanity” by, ie: less dollary-doos for them.