• logicbomb@lemmy.world
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    Tesla could solve most of their problems by firing Musk. Any other public company whose CEO makes a very public Nazi salute would fire that CEO.

    Yes, he’d still be a large shareholder, but I think simply getting him out of the company would give a lot of people the sense that he faced some personal consequences for his actions, and that any companies who deal with Musk will also face consequences.

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      Yes, he’d still be a large shareholder, but I think simply getting him out of the company would give a lot of people the sense that he faced some personal consequences for his actions

      On one hand, that might indeed satisfy a lot of the public. On the other hand, we ought to consider that a bad outcome because the real goal should be to tank TSLA to the point that Musk’s holdings no longer suffice as collateral and he’s forced to sell Xitter.

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        He would need to get rid of his stock before I even consider buying from any of his companies’ products.

        Not getting starlink for my van. I guess I’ll have to stick close to cell towers on work days.

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      Tesla could solve most of their problems by firing Musk.

      They could have done this a LONG time ago… now the damage is done. Nobody would care he is no longer CEO (although that may help Tesla develop better cars), people are not going to want to drive a Swasticar anyway nor give money to a literal Nazi

      Short of selling all his stock and completely disappearing from the public eye, Musk completely destroyed Tesla. There are simply better options that do not include helping/associating with a Nazi

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      I wonder how much money firing him would cost. The initial pay package was a stupid $56 billion. They’d probably have to pay pretty much that amount, and then hire a new CEO still.

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        Even after losing 50% of their value their market cap is still ~750 billion. They’re still valued at nearly 3x what Toyota is, and leagues above any other auto manufacturer. Their investors won’t do anything until they lose way more value, sadly.

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      Yes, he’d still be a large shareholder

      If they fire him, he would sell. This would tank the stock value.

      They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

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        1. Large shareholders can’t just sell. There are rules to prevent stock manipulation
        2. He’d be the first victim of tanking the stock. Not in his best interest
        3. He can’t sell any shares used for collateral
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        His family members and deep associates are on the board, they voted to pay him $55 billion. They’re all corrupt.

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        The stovk price is also all vibes based around him.

        Edit: he wouldn’t sell, though. He couldn’t sell that much. He also has a bunch of loans leveraged against his stock aa collateral. Those collapse if the stock price collapses.

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        It won’t… they will bail it ot with taxpayer money. Like it or not every US citizen will buy some Telsa stock (but never own it). Capitalism for thee, but communism for me if the business fails.

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          Good, let the USA burn their money and tank their economy bailing out a company nobody would buy a car from

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      I think him being the shareholder is the problem. I don’t care if we was to step down as CEO, I want to see him hurt financially. Especially since he bought twitter off his Tesla stocks. Hit his stock hard enough and when it comes time to pay for twitter, he’ll be fucked.

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        You’re right, but I suspect most people wouldn’t see it that way with regards to Tesla. Depending on the terms of his current compensation package, I suspect it would be better for him financially if he just stepped down and held onto the stock.

        But he’s such a narcissist that he’d never do that.

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        The companies board and senior leadership are his family and loyalists, therefore the company is fascist and should be destroyed, regardless of Space Karens involvement.

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      Exactly, Musk needs to go. Even apart from his abhorrent behaviour this dude supposedly has so many jobs, how can he possibly be doing them all to a reasonable standard let alone one deserving of his insane compensation.

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      If they fire him as the CEO. Now that would be interesting to see the turning events of that whole company. It would definitely salvage the massive amount of loss within their company. Which is insane because they would just have to fire Elon as the CEO. But I don’t know if they can salvage the company because the reputation of it all. The damage is massive.

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    Didn’t trump say he would concider the vandalism towards teslas a form of terrorism? And hasn’t the usa used terrorism as a way to forcefully enter countries in order to "fight terrorism "? What if these acts have been performed by agents from the US to give the government an excuse to invade?..I’m also very stoned right now.

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    The dealership has insurance and destroyed cars are like sold cars for Te… that company. Or am I missing something?

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      They will have to pay here, yes. And then they will cancel the contract, because high risk and not worth it. The second act of vandalism will then hurt. And the question is: Will the insurance give them the “new” (catalog) price or the “market value” price?

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        “So, you’re saying we get one free claim for as many cars as we can burn in one night without loosing our insurance?” - Them, probably.

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      Big thing is that people now know Telsa’s are not just sold by a loon, they’re a vandalism target. Which is two pretty big reasons no to buy a car from Musk.

      Even if you like Musk, do you want to have high insurance rates and spend time at the body shop?

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        and spend time at the body shop?

        Fun fact: not only do Cybertrucks have bare stainless steel body panels, which are extremely difficult and expensive to repair because you have to bodywork them perfect since you can’t use body filler, they have a frame made out of aluminum, which for various metallurgical reasons (work-hardening, forming a passivation layer that makes it much harder to weld, etc.) is also very difficult and expensive to repair.

        In that sense, you’re probably less likely to spend time at the body shop with a Cybertruck because it’s designed to be damn near disposable.

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          Although, since most people seem to be keying, spray painting, and putting stickers on these cars, the stainless is very easy to clean. Just rub some steel wool in the direction of the stainless grain. Apparently they don’t have any clear coat. You can clean them like an industrial stovetop.

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            Yeah, the damage would have to physically displace (i.e. dent) or chemically corrode the surface of the panel in order to be difficult to fix.

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                Yes. High heat can cause the metal to corrode faster or even melt. (And, ya know, completely destroy the rest of the car.)

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      Does Tesla use dealerships in Canada? In the U.S., they don’t. They have showrooms owned by the company itself and you order online. My state requires dealerships1 and just have service centers here.

      1 It’s a wildly antiquated law. When cars first came out, states passed laws requiring dealerships to guarantee the car companies could service the vehicles. Those laws are still on the books basically because car dealership owners are generally rich people who buy state legislatures. (And there’s a shocking amount who are state legislators.)

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      Insurance companies are now talking about canceling Tesla coverage because of the high risk of vandalism, so it’s making people (including dealerships) rethink their options.

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      Destroyed cars?

      The damage included “deep scratches and punctured tires.”

      From the article. A quick polish and a time swap and they’re as good as new.

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      We need anonymous to dismantle Twitter and plummet it all so it can be amongst all the other apps that went to the grave.

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    Demonstrates to the American electorate that democrats celebrate and encourage criminal behavior. How does this help you win elections? Do you think an independent looks at this situation and thinks “Yes these are the people I want to be in charge.” So shortsighted and childish.

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      I know right? Imagine stirring everyone up into a frenzy and encouraging them to do something illegal in the name of politics. Like storming the capitol. Moron.

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      You sound like a conservative plant lamenting the so-called peaceful liberals, you’ve been sold a lie

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        Whilst I do believe the American people were sold a lie (I’m not American) I think the barrage of down votes and cheap shots being thrown at @AidsKitty are undeserved. They clearly have a different view point on certain things but all their comments are polite and express their views respectfully. Anyway that’s just how it looks to me 🤷

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        Why would i be a conservative plant? I think America needs two viable political parties and presently one party cannot compete. Their interpretation of reality is questionable making them repulsive to normal people, which is why they won’t vote for you.

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          Why are you trying to frame it as a Democrat versus Republican thing both sides can have equal amounts of grievances with the shit ass state ofthe fucking presidency right now

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            It is obviously liberal burning down charging stations, spray painting swastikas, and throwing molotov cocktails. With Democrat politicians celebrating and encouraging the behavior. Im not framing it’s reality.

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      As opposed to republicans that elected a 34 count felon, court-certified rapist, pedophile president? Party of law and order, am I right? Be glad that it’s shitty, overpriced EVs they’re targeting.

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          It’s the nazi in the bar story. Gotta call them out and shut them down early, or else they take over the place like they do on reddit.

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        There is a different view to your statement. We live in a democracy and we had an election where the citizens chose a felon, Nazi, dictator over your side. They would rather have a court certified rapist in charge than you. Just think about that and understand how repulsive and out of touch you have to be for that to happen. This effort to destroy Tesla is only hurting your cause. It is counterproductive, childish, and small. It’s almost like you want MAGA to win the next election.

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          We live in a democracy

          Do you?

          It’s almost like you want MAGA to win the next election.

          Assuming there is one

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            Yes the next election will be in 2026. This is why people question your ability to interpret reality.

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    I read something earlier in the week about a tesla dealership being vandalised here in N Ireland. Might be a worldwide thing.

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    It’s very sad that people care more about the feelings of cars than the feelings of people. Cars fucking suck. Cars are tools of oppression.

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      It’s not about the cars. It’s about what a powerful billionaire is doing to people.

      Targeting the cars is just a way to discourage Telsa ownership, tank the stock, and give Musk less power and leverage. A lot of his power comes from his ability to borrow against Tesla.

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        For the past 100 years car dependency has been the sole reason for the destruction of the working class. Henry Ford the Nazi, combined with conspirators in the US government, bulldozed low income neighborhoods to build highways and create suburban utopias for rich white folk.

        Car dependency is a disease which needs to be cured.

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          Ok, but the point still remains. This vandalism isn’t about the cars. It’s about taking money out of a billionaire’s pocket. People would be vandalizing Starlink satellites if they could reach them.

          It’s not about the cars, the cars and stores are just an accessible target. This is about Musk and DOGE.

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          Don’t even get me started on how car companies bought those lovely trams just to dismantle them afterwards