I mean, there are two side of the argument.
Pragmatically, fleeing would save your life.
But ethically, it feels cowardly. (I’m not calling anyone a “coward”, its just how I internally feel about such an act, if I were the one doing it)
There’s no single correct answer, and as with most issues there are a lot more than two sides. You already implied a third one here - fleeing without being a coward. Question: assuming you aren’t right now a low-paid doctor in a free clinic providing healthcare to people who can’t afford it… do you feel evil for that? Is there any reason to beat yourself up for not doing that? Truth is we aren’t all suited to actively and effectively fight the system, any more than we’re all suited to be doctors or lawyers or athletes. You’re allowed to make life decisions that suit your abilities and personal aspirations without crucifying yourself for not being a saint.
The US is a massive place. Yes the federal govt can suck but state and local governments are where you see the real day to day effects like roads, local businesses, utilities and parks.
Sit in on a meeting (a lot of stuff is streamed thanks to covid). Get to know the people in office in your area and what they stand for. If you want make your voice heard however you choose and give them some perspective on how an upcoming decision effects you. You can vote wisely and build a community with them from the bottom up.
You can have a surprising level of influence just by reminding people that voters exist and care enough to give input now and then.
Whether you decide to fight or flee, I won’t judge you. Do what makes sense for you and your loved ones. This is a difficult decision. Don’t let Lemmy guilt trip you over it.
I have a family and kids that need me. I’ll support the resistance where I can, but I can’t fight on the front lines. I’m lucky I’m not a target of this administration yet, but if we go out and protest, we may become targets.
In recent years, my family has been getting our passports together and fulfilling requirements to get jobs in another country. If things get violent in my hometown, we can flee across the border. I’ll do whatever it takes to keep my family safe.
If I was alone and no one depended on me, I’d disappear into the resistance. Somewhere, there’s a cache of vintage World War II weapons that would love to fight Nazis again. But, I’m honestly not the gun nut type.
RUN! I don’t know why people get so attached to a piece of land, especially when it can cost you your life. They are artificial lines created on the globe. The real question, is where to run.
Leave Grandma she’s dead weight
Well, yeah, this is essentially why I’m not running.
Is that you, Clark?
Don’t run away unless it makes you stronger because of it. Once something has been gained, never yield it without a purpose or a strategy - even if that ends up being a bad decision it was at least yours to make.
It is a difficult endeavor to gain new ground; it is nigh impossible to fully recover that which has been lost.
After you have ceded all your land and yielded every advantage, where will you seek shelter and from what will you find strength?
Now you understand what it means to flee your country. It’s never an easy decision.
You can always help overseas where you’re safer.
How? We can barely have an impact here
I’m just so grateful that so many great scientists fled nazi germany. Also that those who stayed behind (this is controversial and not known for sure) hindered and delayed Germany’s nuclear weapons program.
I would flee if I could. Its not like the current stuff came and it was like hey im going to start fighting. We have been trying to change course and despite this its been going in the wrong direction. I mean will fight to the last but if my back was not against a wall I would be gone.
America will bring down the entire western world. There is no option but to fight.
Is the “Western world” even worth fighting for? Who is included in it? More importantly, who is excluded?
The answer depends on the responsibilities you have.
Whether to flee or fight isn’t a very useful distinction, I think. It’s a false dichotomy.
Fighting someone or fighting for something in a way that risks your life just isn’t a very smart way to fight. Obviously run when your life is at stake. When you’re safe, fight.
Never take any risks to improve the world, that’s how things are gonna get better!
Never take any risks to improve the world, that’s how things are gonna get better!
No, I don’t think I’d agree with that.
This depends on a lot of factors. If you’re part of a targeted demographic due to race, gender, religion, etc., then it might be safer to flee before you draw attention to yourself.
If you’re not a targeted demographic, then it might be best to stick around and stand up for your fellow citizens. But this could also lump you in with the targeted demographic and might eventually lead to your own persecution, so it’s a risky choice.
Either way, I still advocate for standing up to any oppression or persecution going on in your home country. No one should ever lose their home to dictators and/or fascists.
This is actually how a lot of states get divided politically. People see a place as a “red state” or a “blue state” and decide to either avoid them or move away if their political ideology doesn’t line up. But that just further entrenches the area into a political leaning. By sticking around and advocating for human rights and better community and respect, you can help prevent the splitting of communities and stop divisive concepts like fascism from forming.
I’m autistic and trying to figure out if autism is an at-risk minority group. It doesn’t help that I was extremely vocal on Reddit about how much I hate Trump and Musk. I deleted my account, but Reddit is now a fascist platform and would likely turn over my posts and email address to this administration without a second thought.
I’m not sure what to do. I’m not sure if I could even leave at all, with my debilitating anxiety and trauma.
White. Male. Able bodied. Neurotypical. Christian (Catholics need not apply). Straight. Republican.
If you or someone you know doesn’t fit each one of those, then they are at risk of persecution in the US.
I mean, white women are not persecuted if they are rich. Heck, they could even get an abortion that will be covered up like the pregnancy never happened.
Poor women, white or not, are fucked tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tSqGCfoCI (I think some people are using this video in bad faith but the main message still stands)
Imagine someone keeps breaking into your house and shitting on your pillow. Do you move out and find a new house, or do you grab a baseball bat and beat the shit bandits ass?
Both are valid options with positive and negative consequences. Which path we choose is largely determined by the value we personally place on our things and spaces. We tend to value our homes and families more, so it’s easier to choose the bat. But, it’s the exact same choice when your country goes sideways (or any difficult decision, really).
Ask yourself; How valuable is the country, to you? How valuable is your role in its society, to you? How valuable is it that you stand up for your beliefs, to you? If you place no value on your country, then move on and feel good about taking care of yourself. If you value your country a lot, then stand and fight to the end. No one on the internet can answer these questions for you, and there is no right or wrong choice unless you decide there is.
If it’s the police that keep breaking in and shitting on your pillow it would be best to move to a different town.
Makes no difference if the little shit is a pig or a bastard, if something you value and care about is threatened, fucking fight for it. When they have bigger guns than you, all that means is its time to get creative.