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A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.

The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.

Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.

          • FundMECFS@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            “sound” is a big word, for a justice system that perpetuates state violence and mistreats immigrants and disabled people.

            But yes, the french system is more successful at holding politicians accountable than the US.

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                That’s not moving goalposts. Your original comment was stating the system was sound because the politician was convicted. The person you are replying to was refuting that based on other failures of the french court system.

                If you had instead posited “the french justice system is sound in this regard” referencing political conviction solely, then you might have ground for them ignoring the argument.

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                  Good point. Original Commenter (OC) is claiming a specificity after the fact when initially they were claiming a generality.

                  As a reader though, OC’s meaning came across in my first reading. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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              “sound” is a big word, for a justice system that perpetuates state violence and mistreats immigrants.

              The justice system doesn’t, the police does

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                I kinda disagree here. Ofc the police is on the front line, but the judges protect policemen and policewomen from being convicted or too harshly punished.

                More generally, it is judges who decide to send people to prison, to inflict economic and social punishments on people deviating from the state, to send refugees back to suffering or death they tried to escape from. I saw trials in France where the judges considered the fact that a militant had anarchist books in his library as aggravating circumstance. I studied law for 3 years and made internship in tribunals, and it is not a misconception to say that the judiciary system is protecting and perpetrating state violence, though it’s less bloody than what the cops can do.

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    This is how corruption of Democracy works. Those in power were going to get voted out of power you just convict the other side of “crimes”. They tried that in America too, had they succeeded it would have led to the country falling into armed internal conflict.

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      Instead the Felon is now President, collapsing the economy, threatening sovereignty of multiple countries and likely to start a civil war… much better

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        It is better, it is our destiny. Decided by and for the people. The quality of our lives may improve or deteriorate but it’s our destiny and there is nothing “better” than that.

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          Well the “destiny” you chose for yourselves is burning the world … “We” certainly didn’t choose that

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    What? Another ‘conservative’ who is a criminal? Shocked! Shocked I say!

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      She’s not your average conservative. She’s an actual fascist – linked with Orbán, Trump, Meloni, received millions from Putin, and her party was formed by and still includes numerous nazis, regardless of her rebranding efforts. This goes both for the founding members and the current recruits.

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        And Meloni, please gals and guys, never forget Meloni. I know she looks like an ugly Chihuahua, but she bites much more than she barks.

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        Maybe not an average conservative in France, but pretty spot-on for a conservative in the U.S.

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          Because what the US call conservative is what the EU calls far-right. EU conservatives, or traditional right, are similar to your average Democrat.

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          The original conservatives were in De Gaulle’s party, which was ferociously anti-nazi.

          Although, naturally, as a conservative party they’re now talking about immigration, restricting liberties and the like…

          Still a far cry from what Le Pen is up to.

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    Womp womp!

    And kremlin deplores frances lack of democracy, so I sure think we’re on the right track!

    Just waiting for the ineligibility time…

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    Wait, being convicted ends political careers? Hitler and Trump wore their convictions with honor and used them to gin up support to great effect. Who’s to say Le Pen doesn’t somehow do the same?

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    provisional execution could bar her candidacy.

    Well, execution will definitely put a crimp in her political plans.

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    Well, as a politician the more your disrespect law the more you are likely to be elected (hi Sarkozy, hi Trump)