• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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    8 days ago

    i struggle to understand why conservative and liberal trekkies alike hate “tankies” so much when star trek is so obviously “tankie”

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      8 days ago

      It’s the need to own culture. Liberal Conservatives and Conservative Liberals in the USA are used to being pandered to by the dominant culture. So it stands to reason that something as revered and aspirational as Star Trek agrees with their beliefs. And let’s face it: Star Trek has always been a creature of the american zeitgeist. From Captain Kirk reading the Declaration of Independence (or was it the Constitution) to a bunch of aliens to the very fact that Star Trek is a high mindedly liberal military outfit in space. There’s a lot of room there to accomodate americans of every kind. It’s just that the series goes just a little bit farther than everything else, and so there’s a need to own it and all possible interpretations of it.

      I think TOS and TNG era Star Trek were just american liberalism 20-30 years into a future, hopefully more generous form. Current Trek is outright evil and testament that Star Trek was a bit too hopeful. But in the end of the day, it was hopeful in an all american form.

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          7 days ago

          As a non american, one of the things I find most interesting about Star Trek is that it has been running for so long that it betrays the american zeitgeist and the writers’ cultural milieu for every decade it is written in. So you learn a lot about these people (and the american people as a whole) just by looking at the sorts of things they put into these stories.

          The stories of how Star Trek came into being have changed over time, even though certain fundamental truths remained there. Take the formation of Earth’s utopia for an instance. In the original series the mainstays were a trial by fire in WW3, the eugenics dictatorships and vulcan solidarity. These are quite revealing for an american population that just came out of WW2, was plunged into the Cold War and was in the grips of a form of neo-great awakening that involved amongst other things alien worship. 90s Trek kept all of those plot points, but shifted the emphasis just a bit as it revisitted everything. The biggest contribution of 90s Trek comes from DS9 and Enterprise because they made it clear that the rise of the human utopia was a political affair, not a technological one. Things like the Bell Riots and neither the Humans nor the Vulcans having replicators make it clear to the audience that it wasn’t magic that solved Humanity’s material conditions, it was work.

          Current Trek stumbled into all of that with jaded cynicism, so it couldn’t help but ruin it all. Rolling back the acquisition of Replicators because they are Star Trek iconic was bad. Where it crosses into outright evil however is in the premise behind Star Trek Picard. The series decided to ‘tackle’ current issues like deportations and climate collapse. As naive as the Bell Riot storyline was, in Picard humanity can either find a magical microbe Jupiter’s moons or whatever - that solves all disease, hunger, climate collapse and so on - or it is fated to become the biggest genocidal fascist dictatorship of all time. This reflects the writers’ preconceptions about the world they live in. There’s no politics. There’s no redistribution. There’s no caring for each other. Either americans magically solve all their problems with an app or, well, its genocide time. C’est la vie.

          Think I’m inferring too much? They spelled it out during promos for the Section 31 movie. DS9 introduced Section 31 as a rogue agency, antagonist and villain both. Their actions were Not Good. You can at best argue that the actual heroes won the Dominion War regardless of what Section 31 did and then, at the end, capitalized on Section 31’s actions to avert a massacre. Which would still be in spite of Section 31’s beliefs: because Odo couldn’t have cured the Great Link of Section 31’s virus if Bashir and O’brien hadn’t stolen the cure against Section 31’s wishes. If Section 31 had gotten their way, the Federation would have won the war without their help, the Changelings would have gone down fighting and the final battle for Cardassia would still have ended with the genocide of the Cardassians. Arguably the Alpha Quadrant could have lost so much in that final battle that whatever was left of the Dominion could still pour in and do irretrievable damage in retaliation. All because the rogue agency just knew better.

          What does current Trek say about this? Well Section 31 is good and based actually. They are the heroic CIA, keeping the world safe so the dumb liberals in the audience can enjoy the good things in life. That’s what the promos said. That’s what the story is about. Good spies making the tough choices, for the benefit of all.

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            7 days ago

            i do my best to accept star trek in all of its forms despite its many flaws because i like the optimistic portrayal of humanity’s future and i have the most difficulty with section 31.

            it’s, by far, the most glaringly american jingoistic flaw to me; even more so than star trek’s lgbt-averse story telling in the rick berman era; or the sexism in the roddenberry original; or the militarism it adopted from the nicholas meyer movies.

            i haven’t watched the section 31 movie because of it, but i intend to eventually because i experienced the older generations of the fandom reacting negatively to the changes in discovery; and again during voyager & deep space nine; and again when the next generation came out; and again when the first movie was released. i don’t want to be the one of the ossified trekkies that misses out on enjoying new story telling by refusing to embrace change because of my own limitations like they did and also i feel like doing so makes me no better than the liberal and conservative trekkies that decry tankie or woke trekkies despite star trek’s clearly tankie/revolutionary original premise.

            i hope that future incarnations of star trek lets section 31 become a relic of the past like the other flaws i mentioned; something that future generations see and think wtf to themselves when they see it and move on to embrace the overall optimistic story of what humanity could become despite it. i would like to see the section 31 movie become regarded as a companion to the fifth movie; as a low point in the trek story telling because of thier considerable flaws, but still enjoyable for the diamonds in their respective roughs.

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              7 days ago

              I can sympathize with your position. I wasn’t there for the older backlashes, but I wouldn’t have avoided Enterprise for an instance just because its more or the same or not as good. For one, I was actually amused by the Bush Era America Fuck Yeah militarism that managed to seep into it even if slightly.

              That said if I was to act as a filter for all the feedback: there is indeed an undercurrent of cruelty in modern trek. With Discovery it seemed like it was just the writer’s inability to imagine an aspirational future. But it slowly mutated to something more malevolent with what I described from Picard and Section 31. Which is why Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks is worth a watch. The cruelty isn’t the point there.

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                7 days ago

                I was actually amused by the Bush Era America Fuck Yeah militarism that managed to seep into it even if slightly

                it made me groan as i watched them introduce the maco’s and the entire xindi story arc felt like like a cartoony adaptation of 9/11