What’s a baby cost? $5,000?
I can get you one for $4k. No take backs though.
Well, most of a baby. Do you want the front half or
I’ll buy the orange baby man for 4k.
He’s definitely for sale, just ask any tech billionaire.
May barely cover the hospital bill for those many without health insurance. But of course the proposed bonus is intended for middle class white babies
Average cost for an uninsured birth is 19,000.
I wonder how much woke stuff we can get for the purpose of making babies.
Mandated paid maternity leave?
Child tax credit?
Maybe some universal medical coverage for the mothers and children?
What are you, a socialist?
How the fuck much are they making that it is still worth it after taking $40k off the top?
It’s probably in NYC or San Fran if that’s for one kid. Both parents could reasonably make 100-200k around there.
I mean anything more than like 60K is still technically making money. If they’re in a place where Childcare costs 40k it is likely they make at least 80k due to the high cost of living or they have more than one child. The poorer people in that area have to use family, friends, and less official care. Federally, parents only get 12wk of unpaid leave.
For me, it would have to be at least 80k, otherwise you would effectively be earning less than your daycare provider. You could find one or two kids to watch with your own and effectively be making more money while being there with your child.
Child care costs are also tax deductible. Does help a bit.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/child-and-dependent-care-credit-information
Only $40k?
It’s a rural area
In my country the government decided to give hundreds of euro each month for 6 years to who have a baby (my friend gets €400/month) but SURPRISE! Birth rate didn’t increase
In Germany it’s something like 260€ per month until the child turns 25 if still in education (university, apprenticeship) (26/27 if the child served one or two years as a soldier or in a social or climate project)
And yeah birth rates didn’t increase either AFAIK
It’s been in place in more or less its current form since 1975, have a graph. Colours are generally for 1-4th child if there’s a fifth one then that’s a tax deduction. Before that there were schemes but they would not kick in for the first child and generally speaking it was even more of a pittance. In primary school, in the 80s, our maths teacher actually did a run-down of how much that money didn’t pay for our new shoes.
That’s West Germany in the east they spent a lot on free daycare which seems to have had much better results. Plenty of states nowadays do have free daycare at least for poor parents, and generally make the fees income-dependent, but the level of service still isn’t anywhere like it was in the GDR where you could also offload school-age kids to the state when they had holidays, summer camps and stuff, but you didn’t. Which isn’t exactly rare kids get more holidays than workers.
Overall, the reason our birthrate is only stabilised at a low level instead of at a reasonable level is because conservatives care more about supporting family models few people want than about solving the issue. Nah not even “conservatives”, it’s specifically Catholic conservatives.
And, no, I’m not advocating for re-introducing the FDJ, blue scarves and everything. How about handing organisations like the Scouts some money so they can offer summer camps for pretty much the cost of food. It’d be mostly money to allow adults to not work while running those camps (that is, extend their holidays) as well as some materiel costs. Increased tent wear.
Accessible social programs for vacations and the like is something we definitely need, if only to stabilise the youth from turning criminal and/or radicalised.
As for your guess that the higher birth rates in the east are due to free child care, I think the fact that flats were handed out preferentially to families with kids was the more significant factor. And that seems to have become something of a normal lifemodel as I still this. Longer education and entry into a stable career is also a big factor.
Yep on second thought I don’t think it’s so much stable career or the availability of childcare as security overall, any way to answer “We can do this for 18 years no matter what” in the positive. And yes that’s where capitalism and CDU bashing of “lazy moochers” strikes hard. Having a different job every six months and occasionally none would be right up many people’s alley if it didn’t put you into all sorts of economic trouble.
And the “we can do this for 18 years no matter what” thing was easy in the GDR: Don’t do things the Stasi doesn’t like, done. The SED went to great lengths ensuring that if you kept your head down, and push come to shove are willing to fill a hole another is digging (because duty to work), you really didn’t have to worry.
That’s € 28 800 btw, to compare to Drumpf’s measly 5000.
Anyhow, same here and afaik it continues in some form or other until they’re 18?
Similarly, I went out to eat and offered them a crisp dollar bill. Surprise! They didn’t serve me.
Only among the very stupid
So half the population
More MAGA!
y’all understand why they want conservative christians to have a ton of babies, right? the only reason that american conservatives have become as atrocious as they are is that they have the big, dumb numbers. they need another generation of idiots - forcefully uneducated - to continue their legacy of shit.
The irony is that these conservatives often can’t afford large families without welfare, the exact things Republicans are cutting. Those give a lot more than onetime 5k payments.
That’s why they’re getting rid of child labor laws. Make them kids earn their way!
They have to ensure that the large families are also poor, thus flooding the armed forces with young people in need of a paycheck with no alternatives.
and of course to be wage slaves
sure, if you need to throw some 4chan jaron into the jumbo that’s fine.
Yes, we’re aware. But they can’t even do that right. They’re still too greedy to properly implement their own plans
Like I’d take it if I’m planning on having a baby anyways. But yeah, it’s an absolutely pathetic amount. And childcare is only going to get more expensive with this fucking administration
It might be enough to cover the delivery hospital fees!
Oh you sweet summer child
Are you telling me that hospitals actually charge you for delivering a child?
lol, look at this person who doesn’t even US.
Seriously, though, yes. Tens of thousands of dollars. You also have to pay just to get a ride to the hospital (ambulance). You pay for everything.
Yep, quite a lot too. Once baby is out they start getting separate billing too. No, you aren’t reading that wrong. Since we don’t have single payer healthcare the doctors, nurses, drugs, etc are all to be paid for by the patient. Therefore health insurance but insurance wants to make money which means they don’t want to pay so unless you give them more money they have a pretty high limit before they cover things.
This is after improvements by Obama but he compromised too much so not nearly enough has gotten better.
There are some hospitals that charge for you holding your baby
19000 dollars on average without insurance. Healthcare is a racket. A scam. Don’t trust any of those rat fucks. Get everything in documentation. Kaisers tried to charge me hundreds of dollars at random and when I called them out on it they basically just said “oh our bad”.
Damn fucking right your bad Kaiser. Stupid fucks.
It’s really not, and might not even cover your deductible.
FWIW the delivery of each of my children cost roughly $1800. We had no complications and I have pretty good insurance. That said, 3 days after my first was born we had to take him in for UV treatment. That cost $7000 for the pleasure of sitting under a UV light for 2 days.
It’s not even gonna cover your ambulance ride to the hospital because your water broke while you were at work.
My experience is that an ambulance ride is in the hundreds of dollars, not the thousands. Still terrible but not as terrible
Average ambulance trip in the US is between $950-1300.
Sounds like you got a deal.
Guess so.
Yeah childcare is gonna be more expensive, but they’ll loosen the regulations so that anybody can be a childcare provider, without any background checks or anything, so more people can charge more money. And no vaccine requirement, so more kids can go. It’s win/win/win. /s
Anybody but trans people you mean
Do we get to choose how it’s distributed? Here are some fun options I came up with.
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$13.69 per day for a year. (Nice). About $419/month. Maybe they could round up to $420 because they stale internet meme culture is hip
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$0.76 per day for 18 years. A guaranteed $22.80 per month for an entire childhood
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$5000 lump sum. I can’t find any widely accepted figures for average out of pocket cost of prenatal care, child birth, and infant health visits. I’ll wild ass guess it a at covering 20-75% of those visits for people who have insurance. For people without insurance, looks like an uncomplicated vaginal birth averages $14k. But again huge variations in price
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It costs $40k/year for daycare. Start handing out $5k to moms, daycare now costs $45k/year.
It blows my mind that so many people don’t understand this concept.
They already hand out 3k a year for kids, up to 6k, as well as up to 5k in credits available based on how much you spend and your income level. And I live in Jersey, where everything is expensive, and we were ranked fifth most expensive place to have kids in daycare, and even with two kids in I didn’t pay 40k. Not sure we even cracked 30k, but it was probably close.
EDIT: Info is dated, good thing I have an accountant. Looks like it’s 2k per kid, and the 3/6k is for dependent care credits, which applies from 35% to 20% based on your tax bracket (goes down the more you make).
Lmao anyone who thinks this is a lot of money has clearly never raised a child in the recent past. (Let’s say 10-15 years? idk)
$5k is gone, like that
Japan has an aging population and tried a lot, with not much success…
Prosperity = less kids, so we shouldn’t be surprised what Trump is going to try…
40k/year sounds premium. But what little do I know, I am German and pay about 3k/year for a very nice Kindergarten.
This could be “premium” childcare like a Waldorf school or it could be the cost of putting 2 kids into regular daycare in an expensive city like San Francisco. It would certainly be cheaper in less expensive places, but incomes would also be lower.
Here are some estimates by state: https://illumine.app/blog/how-much-childcare-costs-by-state-in-usa
My friend went to a Waldorf school and she told me they didn’t teach her to read.
I bet the salad was good, though. Silver linings, and all that.
Here’s typical day care rates for Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Oklahoma is one of the lowest cost of living states in the nation, because it’s a hell hole with no social services and has been already doing Project 2025 for the past five years. This means salaries are similarly depressed - as a teacher, my first year take home pay per month was $2200. If I had a child then I would have nothing between day care and rent. (And I also would have needed the daycare, first year teaching is 60-100 hours a week.)
The people working at the facility are likely barely qualified and probably not making enough to support their families - likely on welfare.
There’s literally been bipartisan efforts to expand the child tax credit ($1000 per year baseline, expanded to $2000 for 2018-2025 and expiring this year, plus COVID era provisions or up to $3000 or $3600 for 2021), and the bills to do so keep dying without a vote.
If they were serious about this they’d expand the 2021 program to where parents were getting $300 checks every month, and make that permanent and indexed to inflation.
So much of the Trump presidency is announcing a new program that sounds good, but isn’t even enough to make up for a program that he already killed.
Still waiting for healthcare to be “fixed”. Definitely going to be any day now…
Longest two weeks of my life.
300$ a month is already way below index.
Well we already lost that in 2022, when it dropped back down to a $2000 annual credit you get when you do your taxes the year after, and after this year it’ll drop again to $1000 unless the law is changed.
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