Which notebooks are recommendable when coming from Apple Silicon-MacBooks in terms of runtime and efficiency, preferrably for Fedora or Manjaro with KDE Plasma? For now, I am looking towards Lenovo T14(s) or X1 Carbon - mixed use scenario including simple media (photos, cutting 1080p-videos, media management, Office & mail) stuff? Still love the “Lenovo”-brand and its keyboard and look 'n feel so this vendor would be my favourite.
Can anyone of you here recommend Snapdragon-devices yet which would be the best comparison as it’s also architecture based on ARM? Both Fedora and Manjaro have ARM-builds so I hope that the Snapdragon-devices could get along with my desires here…
Thanks for any input!
Even their new Ideapads with the AMD APU’s (8845HS) are awesome and great value.
you can just install Linux on your “Apple Silicon-MacBook”
Unfortunately that it is not that easy - the Intel-ones up to 2018 were no problem and Asahi supports up to M2 with some limitations: https://asahilinux.org/fedora/#device-support
you already stated both options, there is no option #3. snapdragon support isn’t there yet, you’ll have to make do with Intel and AMD options; for the stated use cases, even 5-year old models will serve you plenty. ideapads, thinkbooks, whatevers are consumer-class models and shouldn’t be gotten used (not even new, in my opinion) as they have nothing in common with T-series thinkpads.
if you’d like to hang on to your hardware for longer, go with the T14 (no S-suffix) as those things are easily expandable, serviceable and cross-generation compatible (same docks etc.).
Are you planning to run Linux on it? Dont get a snapdragon then. Its not ready yet and youll have a ton of issues.
Yes, preferably. Ubuntu seems to support ARM in the latest edition quite well but comparing the issues Windows has with all those non Intel-/AMD-based devices, there seems to be a long road to travel yet.
If your looking to use linux and have good battery life tho its not like thats hard to do. Especially with your use case. My laptop (latitude 7400) has a loud fan and runs hot on windows and undervolting is bios locked so on windows the battery life would suck and it would be loud and hot. But on linux i customize the tlp settings and turn the clock speeds down, make sure battery mode is on even when plugged in, and i get great battery life, and the fan never even turns on. Just pulled up powertop and it says with the web browser im typing this in and running a local music player im pulling 5W from the battery, at 81% right now, and have 10 hours until empty at current usage. And this thing only cost like 250$ cuz i got it used.
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No connection to my initial question here - don’t care of preinstalled systems anyway as they’re wiped anyway after purchase. 😉
Sorry, I didn’t think this would need further elaboration as to why it is relevant to your initial question.
Which (Lenovo) notebooks to buy
Why would anyone trust this company to provide them with hardware that they will use for sensitive tasks that handle personal data?
Just because you are reinstalling the OS does not mean that you can implicitly trust the hardware. There are many forms that a manufacturer backdoor can take, and WPBT has shown that Windows is not clean after a reinstall. Similarly, Linux is vulnerable to binary injection by the UEFI firmware.
You don’t have to agree with my opinion, and I wouldn’t shame you for buying a Lenovo device, but you cannot dispute the relevance of my comment. I put it there for the benefit of people who don’t know about Lenovo’s prior scandals and who, like me, would take that as a signal to reject their products.
Got it and understand your thoughts, but putting Lenovo aside, is there any other recommendable vendor? Of course there can be any backdoor everywhere and yes, TPM is one factor that can be compromised these days, but which company to trust then? I know that there was some stuff on preinstalled devices from China (various smaller, cheaper vendors) even two or three years ago (compromised Windows, told to be an “accident”, but considering this, you cannot trust any vendor at all. Apart from that, Lenovo is just an example because I like the look and the haptics of the devices since the stuff was still label with “IBM” some decades ago. Thanks for your thoughts anyway!
I would suggest holding off on buying an ARM laptop specifically for Linux at the moment (maybe not too long from now though). Although there is an increasing amount of support, it’s still not fully there, and there is most likely going to be quirks here or there that can throw some issues you would rather not deal with on a daily driver machine (e.g. having to extract firmware from the Windows partition in order to get some features working for the Snapdragon devices). Probably your best combination of power efficiency and performance on x86 at the moment will be something like the Ryzen AI 300 series CPUs. If you like ThinkPads, I would suggest the Ryzen version of the T14s Gen 6, which is essentially the same as the ARM version bar the CPU. I’ve been using a P14s (very similar to T14s just with some tweaks as it’s marketed for mobile workstation users) Gen 5 and even with the lower capacity 39.3Wh battery (compared to the 57Wh battery you can get on a Gen 6) I’ve easily been able to get 6 or 8 hours in the balanced power profile with ~70% brightness on Fedora, so probably the T14s Gen 6 can do 10 or 12 hours on a charge.
I’m following the progress of nixos on snapdragon, but its still a bit early for me. Audio kind of working but might damage your speakers, webcam not working, crashing on 64G version but not 32G, etc. Also some funny business about needing windows for firmware or something. These issues are getting resolved but aren’t completely solid yet IMO.
Don’t know where things stand on the more mainstream distros but I’m guessing its probably similar.
If you have access to China only laptops market, the Lenovo ThinkBook 14/16 + Intel Core Ultra 7 255H are very capable all-in-one laptops that you can run an eGPU via TGX(Oculink) in a CPU that is tuned with 70w that you can’t get with the Thinkpads, maximum is 55w.
Both the T14s and X1 Carbon would be good options. I also have an x390 which I quite like.
I’m assuming you’re familiar with Asahi Linux?
It’s still very much a work in progress.
https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/overview/
At the moment I’m bridging the gap by using homebrew, UTM, ssh into local hardware and shortly remote desktop on EC2.
It’s far from ideal, but that’s where I found myself after my x86 iMac died last year, so I feel your pain.
Asahi looks quite great but is limited up to the M2, hence still lacking Thunderbolt and Touch ID-support. This would be the best way and I like the idea behind the project. Needs some time though.
X1 Carbon is awesome specs and has that lightweight portability element.
any Thinkpad is fine. My E14 Gen2 is very good with Ubuntu
Currently aiming at a second-gen T14s to partly do the switch - there are many technical differences but it could be a good start waiting for Snapdragon to be fully embraced by the main distros.
They are specifically interested in the ARM laptops for battery life.
Just buy a laptop, stop trying to complicate the process. The great thing about linux is that it runs fine on almost anything.
Unless it’s a Dell. If you buy one, better research its Linux compatibility beforehand, or you’ll face issues like non-working webcams, fingerprint readers, weird unexplainable crashes and wonky bluetooth behavior.
“non-working webcams” sounds like a plus IMO but I get your point.
P.S theres a reason I used “almost”
“fine” if you don’t need sleep states or wifi/bt
I never had either issue using Bazzite. Theres a distro for almost everything find the one that works for you.
distros don’t really matter in this case, the hardware I was using was simply not supported by the kernel
Then stick with windows 10, once you debloat it and disable all the privacy invasive shit its not the worst OS ever, that title belongs to javaOS. There is no perfect option. There will always be some downside you have to contend with.
Nope. I wish it was really that simple. Check this page for compatibility https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Lenovo
Also check https://linux-hardware.org/?view=computers&type=notebook&vendor=Lenovo
Usually this would be the case but when you got used to runtime and performance, going to standard Intel-books is quite a step backwards. I love the effiency of ARM-based hardware, the runtime and (compared to the Air) the fanless design and was already aiming at a used T14s with 11th gen i5 - okay for the start, but in terms of specs there are quite huge differences. That’s what makes it getting complicated 😀 !
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Have a p14s (older gen) and it runs very well on linux. Im running fedora which lenovo sells prepackaged so you get firmware updates and bios updates through rpm. I would say any linux Thinkpad would be a solid choice. I would just suggest getting one without soldered ram so you can upgrade or repair. Also check the panel brightness too because my display is shit.
