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What part of prescribed adderall do u not understand?
Also, it should be pretty obvious they’ve got adhd if they’re not going batshit coocoo after taking it, they’re fucking amphetamines.
I took speed once with a friend and he was completely off the rails, I didn’t feel anything. Is that a bad sign?
Nah, you’re cool
Could be, yes. People with ADHD respond to stimulants differently to how NTs do, it usually has a more calming/relaxing or focusing effect.
Scientifically, I think (based on all the huberman ep’s I’ve listened to) it’s cuz it makes up for our lack of dopamine receptors helping us perform tasks, and our minds act like a NT’s, and since an NT’s dopamine levels are normal it sends them into overdrive and makes them hella overstimulated.
Dats why when NT’s take addy recreationally it makes them go mental, cuz it’s basically a controlled version of speed. I don’t do blow but I know certain man with ADHD who have and they tell me it knocks them out, like a sleeping pill.
My understanding is that the ADHD brain activity resembles an NT’s when they’re extremely tired or sleep deprived, with a lot of theta wave activity. Stimulants can help jog an ADHD person’s brain into alpha and beta waves, which are associated with relaxation or alertness and focus.
It’s a bit of both with a healthy dose of “we’re not sure”. We know that ADHD brains don’t regulate neurotransmitters properly and that the theta vs beta waves are different, but there are a lot of other mechanisms we don’t understand.
Another great example is guanfacine. It’s primarily a blood pressure medication, but it also improves emotional regulation for ADHD patients. We think it improves connections in the prefrontal cortex, but we ultimately don’t have a solid understanding of why it actually helps.
I started taking guanfacine because I’m at Adderall max, which is way too low. I have been taking it for a over a month and I can’t feel any difference.
I take the BEST naps right after my Vyvanse kicks in. Usually only for 20-30 minutes, but it’s very restful.
Then I pop up and have normal energy levels.
I stopped taking Vyvanse and went to Adderall for this reason. Always made me so sleepy and I can’t afford to be nodding off at work.
I have to take my meds an hour before I have to get up because it makes me so exhausted.
I so think I can help everyone focus to an extent, but for NT’s the side effects are usually not worth the trade off, whereas if you have ADHD, you may choose to take the side effects for the benefit of the medication.
In comparison to the benefits, it’s hard to even consider the side effects. All I get is that my appetite vanishes and I don’t require 12 hours of sleep per day. As long as i force myself to eat there are literally no negatives lol
The only bad side effect for me is that if I have anxiety, then it can make the anxiety worse.
The worst is trying to explain at how necessary the medication is. Having to explain that I cannot work without it
“Oh this? It helps me focus on minding my own fucking business.”
Ooh, pithy, I like this
This is why the correct response to, “May I ask what that is?” is “No.”
Best way to respond. Are you? Learning impaired.
this is why the proper response in panel 3 is ‘no, fuck off’
Who do you think prescribed me these drugs, stable genius?
“Maybe you should mind your own fucking business.”
I mean… at least they’re not trying to sell you supplements, essential oils, or other shit.
Also why I never tell people I associate with about what I have or what I take. I leave it at “I have a condition” and then change the subject, like I’m a sad Victorian ophan trying to stay positive even as I am consumed by the knowledge that soon the plague will take me. (:
Here’s an alternate scenario
Noice! Art will save us from entropy.
I’ve had someone tell me with a straight face that I’m “basically taking meth”.
This is the same kind of person that says “American cheese slices are one molecule away from being plastic!”
I mean, you technically sort of are taking meth in a way, but that’s because you need it since you react differently to it.
I mean, there’s nothing wrong with someone with severe physical trauma being given fentanyl for example.
dexamphetamine literally lacks the methyl group which gives “meth” it’s name.
My meds are Methylphenidate so tbh I assumed they were a bit ‘methy’
Yeah but it has the “amphetamine” part that gives meth it’s kick. And that’s what most people think of when it comes to the drug - the effect it has on a standard person, not the chemical name (otherwise they’d be calling methylprednisolone “meth” too. And let’s face it, the majority of the population doesn’t know why it’s nicknamed meth either).
On a legal scale, “amphetamines” are what’s regulated, not methyl groups.
There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking fentanyl for any reason. There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking any drug for any reason. The only issues are things like how, where, when, etc. Anyone opposed to the full and complete legalization of all drugs should be executed.
There’s nothing morally wrong, but there’s definitely something physically wrong with taking fentanyl when you don’t need fentanyl, especially long term. Like just because someone is addicted doesn’t mean they should stay addicted. I doubt you’re advocating for alcoholics to remain alcoholic for example.
Also, I think you mean anyone against the usage of all drugs don’t have a valid opinion, not the creation of all drugs (there’s no good reason Krokodil should exist for example).
This comment makes no sense. It’s like saying there’s something physically wrong with shoving bread up your ass. Who cares?
I’m pretty sure your ass would care, depending on the kind of bread. A firm crusty bread would probably do some damage. Kinda like how too much fentanyl does damage. Physically.
And yet it’s entirely irrelevant. It amazes me how stupid people get when you make even the most elementary observations about the world. Fear is your only god.
There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking fentanyl for any reason.
Yes
There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking any drug for any reason.
Preach
The only issues are things like how, where, when, etc.
Absolutely
Anyone opposed to the full and complete legalization of all drugs should be executed.
Ohh. Oh no…
Yeah, I know, sometimes I troll too hard. But it is reasonable to take such folks and send them to an island somewhere so they can hate freedom to themselves.
you technically sort of are taking meth in a way
You are 100% NOT taking meth when you take ADHD stims. The only thing linking the two is the core ingredient which is a methyl-5 molecule, which your body makes on its own.
The drug meth is a synthetic methyl-5 compound with a ton of other nasty crap in it that doesn’t exist in ADHD medication.
Like I said, whoever says that is in the same group as the American cheese is almost plastic crowd.
This is so inaccurate. Also there isn’t “nasty crap” in methamphetamine. It is a pure drug. The way it’s made can introduce impurities which make it shitty quality though, like shit from redneck labs.
The way it’s made can introduce impurities which make it shitty quality though, like shit from redneck labs.
Yes, hence the “nasty crap”
Dex_amphetamine_
Meth_amphetamine_
No, the thing linking the 2 is the amphetamine part. Which is the actual stimulant.
The drug meth is actually just methamphetamine - there’s no “nasty crap” in it unless the person synthesizing it doesn’t refine and purify it well, which is true of basically all chemistry.
A more apt comparison is a strong beer and wine - both technically different things, but both get you drink because of the alcohol ingredient in them. They’re both alcoholic drinks.
Same with amphetamines - both are stimulants that have essentially the same effect. That’s specifically why they both work in treating ADHD. The only significant difference is one is legal (with a prescription) and the other isn’t, which of course means good luck getting it really pure and at the correct dosage. The only other difference is how fast acting / long lasting they are because of that tail molecule, but the part that has an actual effect on people is the amphetamine part.
Even if meth was chemically identical to ADHD meds, the argument still wouldn’t hold. Anything that lessens people’s symptoms without creating even more problems can be a medication.
Hell even if it creates more problems, but lessens symptoms in a way that’s better than the problems, it can be a medication. Like chemotherapy.
I like to pour them a glass of peroxide and tell them to drink it. It’s basically water. Literally just a molecule away from being water bro. Drink it bro, cmon! It’s just a molecule!
It’s actually just one atom away!
Lmao I knew that and yet my brain decided “it’s a whole-ass molecule today!”
Since you didn’t specify hydrogen peroxide, technically FOOF is a peroxide. And FOOF is a molecule away from being water.
Oh my god I told my friend that I use hydrocortisone on my eczema which sometimes happens on my neck and he’s like dude don’t put peroxide on your face! I have explained to him that just because the first part of the word is hydro doesn’t make it hydrogen peroxide. He doesn’t listen well. We’re both ADHD for what it’s worth.
OK fair haha
We do not talk about FOOF. Do not acknowledge it. It feeds on fear.
Meth is the #1 most abused drug by clinical scientists. That is to say, just like functional alcoholism is a thing, there’s functional meth heads among some of the most well-respected and reputable scientists in the world. Anyway that would be my response if I was told I was basically taking meth.
That’s not really a good way to spin it. Having ADHD is nothing like functional alcoholism. An alcoholic is destructively addicted to alcohol, and a functional one is really good at hiding it.
ADHD is a condition outside of any external influence, and medication helps normalize individuals dealing with it.
Your approach is the logical equivalent of a burglar saying “I rob people’s homes because they have guns to defend themselves”.
What? No? I don’t think the scientists abusing meth all have ADHD or they’d have meds prescribed by their doctor. What I was saying was just a tongue in cheek response to someone telling you that you’re basically taking meth.
I am really not following your analogy.
I don’t think the scientists abusing meth all have ADHD or they’d have meds prescribed by their doctor.
Then that’s an even worse analogy than I thought you were saying. I get what you’re trying to say, but it comes across as “well that other guy did something wrong, so I can do it too”.
And I know that’s not what you’re trying to say, but that’s how it reads.
They misread the comment.
I didn’t
They do actually prescribe actual meth for adhd but it’s a different drug known as Desoxyn
Desoxyn is a brand name of methamphetamine hydrochloride. Literally the quintessential ADHD med.
It’s completely different than the street drug “meth”. The only similarity is the methyl-5 ingredient, which is a molecule that our body naturally synthesizes continuously.
It’s completely different than the street drug “meth”. The only similarity is the methyl-5 ingredient, which is a molecule that our body naturally synthesizes continuously.
Slightly surprised it hasn’t spawned a factoid that claims the body makes meth/is full of it.
I get people’s intentions behind this, ignorant though it is. I think medicated ADHD folks get a little defensive about it too though. I took adderall and then vyvanse for about 15 years total. Now I don’t take anything for it; I meditate and do THC recreationally (which was how I discovered the ADHD in the first place.)
I don’t think medication is bad, I think it helps people live they way they feel like they want or must. I realized that I was caught up in the hustle trap, taking meds to optimize my brain for the purpose of being a better capitalist worker.
I actually really like my default state. I’m extremely flexible and creative, I get a mix of tasks done, and my emotions are well regulated. On Vyvanse I got a lot of work done, but i was also a rage zombie, and I was prone to falling into “productivity mode” where I could hammer out line after line of code that was all boilerplate or data entry, other easy work to focus on. The kind of thing my ADHD brain would force me to find an easier (better designed) way to do the task if I wasn’t medicated into docile compliance.
So I’m not an advocate for either way: treat your mind the unique way you need to. But i really think the majority of ADHD folks are medicating themselves into acceptance of a broken and diseased system, when our brains have already been adapting to the actual needs of our information-overdense society.
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I’ve started only taking my meds one day a week on the weekend. Partner and I both want a cleaner house but I am mess blind when not medicated.
Work, work is varied enough to keep my attention. I don’t need my meds for work, just for home. One day a week seems to be enough to make progress towards a more functional home.
Can I have your spares?
No, because I no longer have a prescriber. They decided to not refill my antidepressants without telling me, then I had to scramble to get a refill through my primary care doctor (or go cold turkey off of my meds, which is a Bad Plan with my specific antidepressant).
So, what I have is what I have until I find a new brain doctor, which isn’t happening any time soon because ADHD.
Also something something don’t share prescription medication.
🛐 This is the way to the revival, friends hallelujah keep it goin 👏
“No you may not”
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Feels a bit like projection to assume prescription drugs are obtained and taken without a prescription. If my pills are in a properly labeled bottle, I sure as shit didn’t buy them off Terry on the corner.
Especially when the person taking them literally mentions that they are prescribed.
Unless Terry is running a very weird business and/or love his labelprinter
Terry just wants to make your illegitimate pharmaceuticals look more legitimate. Its just good customer service.
I think I forgot to take my guanfacine last night…
I was on guanafacine forever, and it never helped. Does it do anything for you?
I don’t think so. I tried atomoxetine first and it also didn’t help so far, at 25, 40, or 80mg. At least the guanfacine is not giving me any noticeable side effects. The atomoxetine caused me to exhibit more hyperactive symptoms (I’m Primary inattentive) for the first two days but then went away; I did feel cold in the afternoons and I also developed some mild erectile dysfunction ( went away when I stopped taking it). I think next stop will be a stimulant, not sure what I’ll start with. I’ll have to stop taking edibles because they’ll need me to take a drug test first before I get a stimulant rx
Chiming in here.
Guanfacine was a miracle for me. I couldn’t tolerate stimulants and while the initial fatigue was significant, my focus improved significantly and quickly. Not as suddenly or dramatically as a stimulant (which I was able to take after a couple of years of guanfacine, I was in bad shape at first).
I still take a small dose as an adjunct along with a stimulant.
See a doctor
Done.
Don’t take drugs.
But… the doctor said…
Why are you listening to doctors?
But… you said…
No, see, if you visit a doctor, you’re cured.
Can I just walk in the waiting room and read a couple magazines for the same effect?
According to this person, probably.
Since the person said, one should SEE a doctor, the magazines need to contain a picture of one. But then everything should be cured asap. 👍
Not in the U.S. In a for-profit system for health care, you can’t be Officially Cured™ until you’ve at least paid a co-pay.
(Additional bills may arrive months later; in the meantime, you’re granted temporary permission to be healthy.)
