that’s like 3 layers of scam: church, manliness and absurd levels
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“But in the past year-and-a-half our congregation has tripled in size.”
Still the same 2 dudes, I deliberately misleading you with that phrase and was referring to bicep circumference.
While all of you meme and joke and minimize the threat, a rising wave of disaffected boys has grown up under the most toxic of social environments and still NONE of you take this seriously.
When you see the world in ten years time you will kick yourselves for doing nothing to stop it now in its infancy
Stop what? Stop it how? Suddenly make every parent in the US loving, compassionate, and effective at raising their children? Or maybe we could just fix the economy? One of those is bound to work, easy!
There is no easy solution and the fact your dismissive and snarky reply is so upvoted is kind of proof that there is no fixing the situation anymore
The hard solution is to first deplatform their demagogues but since they make their media platforms ridiculous money, it isn’t changing
There’s also a significant possibility we simply won’t be having real elections in America anymore so the chance to get progressive people in office to curb this is over
At this point, anything start rolling, it’s already too late to stop it. Nothing we can do but brace for the worst.
You got all mad for people posting no real solution and when given the chance, offered no real solution
I literally gave the solution in the comment you replied to
I’m sure you think you did
But how can I deplatform the demagogues? It seems impossible. What you proposed sounds nearly as unattainable as the snarky “Suddenly make every parent in the US loving, compassionate, and effective at raising their children”.
I’m not in charge of the demagogues platforms. The platforms have no need to respond to social protests since the demagogues make them money. The majority of moderate people will not ever care enough to stop using a platform that supports evil. Tons of people still use facebook even when they KNOW about all those scandals, because they feel like it’s just not a big problem, and ultimately because they just like using facebook.
Your proposed solution just feels a lot like the how to draw an owl meme.
The answer is violence and guns.
I have no counter argument to this
If deplatforming and political action by the ruling class are the main methods to stop this crisis, then none of us had any power to do anything in the first place
It’s no wonder no one takes this seriously: the epidemic of disaffected young men is only a symptom of greater societal issues and can’t effectively be addressed on its own. That’s also what I was getting at with my comment
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Always fun witnessing another round of people arguing over whose church is dumber.
It’s a hoot. These Ultra Incels think the Orthodox Church is going to hand them a submissive woman. Sounds like their new church is a sausage fest up in there.
probably thier excuse to turn each other on.
Watching gay porn is twice as manly as watching straight porn.
Nothing gayer than having sex with women.
- various right winged influencers
sounds like a porno theme.
I’m actually double straight because I was straight when I was supposedly a guy and now I’m a woman and still straight. checkmate, low T beta cucks bad to the bone guitar riff
ABSURDLY MANLY YOU SAY?
c/dumbesttimeline
Says the man in the nun outfit
Can’t judge by that - Rasputin wore the same outfit and he was a legendary horndog.
Can you really say you’re the manliest men if you’re not comfortable wearing women’s clothing?
Yeah, a lot of this “manliness” sure sounds a lot like just having a great deal of things to worry about emasculating you.
JFC if someone is this worried about their “manliness” or lack thereof, there’s really no hope for them.
And yet you’re describing a wide percentage of young men
Having once been a young man, there’s a period where one questions their role in the world and accordingly acts the fool before figuring it out. I had an upbringing with more than adequate parents and education that helped me through that period without me making an ass of myself often enough to be singled out as being an exceptional ass. I am lucky. Some people aren’t and they act out. And those that are exceptional asees act out and are really self important and noisy. Mostly just to hear themselves and drown out the voices of those who are telling them to stop being such an ass.
Only 75, per the article. No one writes articles like this about women getting into Wicca even though it’s hundreds of times more common
What’s wrong with Wicca? The women I’ve met who were into that were very nice and a ton of fun and the “worst” of them were just delightfully odd. Unlike the strutting asshole men which the OP concerns who are all up in themselves and their supposed “masculinity”. FWIW, I was an athlete when I was young and met and defeated more than my share of these jackasses. Lost to few too. But that’s sport. And unlike those guys, I learned the right lessons from sport. They never will.
Who? People keep fucking saying there’s a lot but all I see is a vocal minority? You see 1/200 and you focus on them?
It’s a vocal minority that is trying to appear bigger than they are with propaganda
That propaganda helped Trump win the Gen Z vote. I wouldn’t say it’s a minority when factoring only youth. Plus there are plenty of middle aged and older men that have fragile masculinity.
Are you talking about me? How do you know? It’s pure rumors anyway! I’m extremely manly, OK? My car makes a lot of noise, so yeah. I’m heterosexual btw
So fragile, so scared. They are so terrified of being perceived as lesser men that they resort to this crap. It’s just that you could only feel sorry for them… if they didn’t suck, that is.
Manliness has always been a scam.
Source: me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
I was always told to be manly was to show up for those that you love. To be reliable and useful on a day to day basis. All this nonsense about dominance and “independence” is just ridiculous.
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It’s stupid on so many levels.
First off, it implies there is some sort or series of social masculine trait(s) that are in some way desirable. It gets even more stupid when this turns into expectations, like “you’re a man, you should X”.
It’s kind of sad but not unsurprising that there’s an industry trying to capitalize on the resulting insecurities.
I think it was a positive aspect of the MGTOW idea to reject these expectations and do your own thing.
I think mgtow pretty quickly became an incel movement, at least from what I saw on reddit.
That doesn’t seem surprising. They both are misogyny plus not getting laid
Well like the other commenter said, it was ostensibly about guys just focusing on themselves and breaking out of the toxic trait of defining yourself by whoever is on your arm. That in itself is fine, and hell, even helpful. The issue is that it naturally attracted incels trying to be the aloof sigma that’s too cool to bother with silly women.
This is a good movie, if you don’t mind the blood and gore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Northman
It follows the life story of a manly man… not something many would truly pursue for themselves even if they had the opportunity.
Manliness is an ideal intentionally placed out of reach. An insecurity to be exploited
Only if your conception of masculinity is stupid. There are plenty of manly role models out there, we’ve just largely decided not to pay them much attention.
If you step out of line with what is considered acceptable (and The most toxic insecure men incent things to be afraid of out of nowhere) you get harshly punished. Learned this the hard way growing up trans
Trans man or woman?
In my experience, transfemme although trans men have had interesting things to say on the topic
I guess you got off the hamster wheel at some point. I imagine trans men being faced with this stuff… That’s not to say there’s no toxic stuff on the femme side of things.
Oh yeah we got problems on the girl’s side bit at least women aren’t afraid soybeans is gonna take away their masculinity
The manliest man I can think of: Norm Abram. His achievements:
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Made a living wearing flannel shirts
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Excellent beard
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Distinguished service award from the American Academy of Ophthalmology
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Built a sailboat
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said “Not roman orgy, roman ogee” on national television and got away with it
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Word
So, all these “manly” men need a fluffer to make them more “manly”?
I find the obsession with being super manly that some types have to be highly suspicious. Seems they are either very insecure or seeking manliness out of a closeted gay urge. Because it’s just not the kind of thing you need to go get help with. Performant manliness is still a performance.
IF you can be shamed into going a Russian church to be manly, you are headed in the opposite direction from the path to manliness - you become a pussy who can only follow.
I didn’t come here for MORE toxic masculinity and gender shaming. Sort your shit out.
Why does random lemmy user care what you came here for?
So then it’s womanly to follow? Sounds sexist and lame to me.
Ivan bros?
