This is getting out of hand. The other day I saw the requirements for “Hell is Us” game and it’s ridiculous. My RX6600 can’t play anything anymore. I’ve downloaded several PS3 ROMs and now I’m playing old games. So much better than this insanity. This is probably what I’m going to be doing now, play old games.
Edit: I wanted to edit the post for more context and to vent/rant a little.
I don’t want to say I made a mistake, but I buy everything used, and I have scored a good deal on two 27" 4k monitors from Facebook marketplace. Got both monitors for $120.
They’re $800 on Amazon used. Great monitors and I love 4k. I also bought an RX6600 AMD GPU for $100 from Facebook. It was almost new. The owner upgraded and wanted to get rid of it. My whole build was very cheap compared to what I see some folks get (genuinely happy for those who can afford it. Life is too short. Enjoy it while you can).
I can’t afford these high end GPUs, but now very few games work on low settings and I’d get something like 20 FPS max. My friend gave me access to his steam library and I wanted to play Indiana Jones the other day, and it was an “omfg, wtf is this horrible shit” moment.
I’m so sick of this shit!
I don’t regret buying any of these, but man it sucks that the games I want to play barely even work.
So, now I’m emulating and it’s actually pretty awesome. I’ve missed out on so many games in my youth so now I’m just going to catch up on what I’ve missed out on. Everything works in 4k now and I’m getting my full 60FPS and I’m having so much fun.
I’ve been a PC gamer for almost 30 years now. This perpetual march of buying new PC upgrades to play new games is an old song.
With a new, much more expensive and faster tune.
Even back then you could play new games with a 2yo mid gpu with ok fps
There are new games?
In all serious, the indie scene is full of new games that don’t require a new GPU to run. A Day of Maintenance and Ephipany City and Mouthwashing and Unsorted Horror and Cosmic Wheel of Sisterhood (to name the few specifically new games that I’ve played and really loved on my RX580, which is about 40% less powerful).
Thank you for mentioning these names. This is basically what I’m doing now, indie and emulation. It’s all just for fun.
I tend to play shit 2+ years old…
Ditto. Whenever it goes on sale for 75% off 🤣
With GOTY and all the “expansions”
Love it when you can get those for a cheap price. I ended up getting a copy of Borderlands 1 with DLC on another disc that’s one of those advertised for xbox one and 360 sets for a good price a few years back. Don’t remember the price, but it had to have been less than $20 before tax.
This has been me since the dawn of time. I have never bought a game on release date. My son can vouch for me on this one. Whenever he asked for a PS4 game that just came out, my answer is “we need to wait until it becomes $15 - $20 at gamestop and we will get it”. I’ve never bought a PS4 game for more than $20.
I stopped at ps3/Xbox360 gen.
Back then I’d hit GameStop hard on the “buy two get one free” used days.
Uses to buy dozens of titles. Haha.
Man, those were the days. I have over 50 CDs for the PS4/PS3 until now.
Ditto. Went as far as printung box art for the generic GameStop covers
You want to play at 4k on an old low end card. I’m sorry but this one is on you.
there are fun games that dont require crazy gpus/monitors, you can enjoy + support those instead
play on low?
Try playing Indiana Jones and the great circle on low.
is that not possible?
I’ve edited my post for more context. It is not possible in my case. I use all AMD and this game forces DLSS. Setting the game to low at 1080p barely gives me 20 fps and even that is unstable. Going lower res than that makes the game look like absolute dogshit. So I just gave up. I now play everything at 4k 60fps on rpcs3 no problem.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Indiana+Jones+great+circle+disable+dlss
Seems to be a known, common issue. I see a bunch of pages that could help you out, since it sounds like it’s just this game that you’re having trouble with.
wow shit game then. but not the rule. still i think more and more devs think we have so powerful gpus, well looking at steam hardware we do. cant stop progress.
Another reason why I just installed fallout new Vegas
Hell yeah, I love that game.
I love the fallout games. I have a Mac, so it’s been impossible to run them on it until I discovered Porting Kit that has the premade wine wrappers and walks you through game installation. Fallout 3 and fallout new Vegas run pretty well on my 2016 MacBook Pro.
I don’t do much gaming these days, so my hardware isn’t appropriate and this likely wasn’t going to go anywhere anyways, but yesterday I had a quick thought whether I should buy Blue Prince and play it myself, before I watch someone else play it. And I kid you not, my first thought why I shouldn’t buy it was “Nah, it’s got 3D graphics, it’s probably not going to run well”.
I genuinely have no idea, if that even makes sense. The game uses cell-shaded graphics, so you probably could’ve implemented it on the PS1.
Well, except that it needs a fairly high resolution to be able to see some of the puzzle clues. And it’s got soft lighting and whatnot. And the solo dev probably didn’t spend their entire dev time optimizing for hardware as weak as mine.I just thought it was funny that we’ve been doing 3D for 3 decades and somehow it’s still relevant for my judgement how a game will run. 🫠
100%. And this is my whole point. Why is it OUR problem not the devs problem? Why do I have to buy into expensive shit?
4k gaming is a scam. I’ve been using 1440p for 20 years and never had issues running every game that comes out at max settings.
Using 1440p for 20 years doesn’t mean 4k is a scam
i made two statements and you made none.
I don’t believe you
It is a scam if you’re buying 27" monitors like op. You can only cram so much dpi in a monitor before you get diminishing returns. I’ve been playing in 1440p, 27" for a while, and can barely see the pixels if I put my eyes 10 cm away from the screen (and I’ve been playing arma reforger, so there’s been a lot of squinting at bushes through a high-powered scope lately).
I’ve also used a 4k, 32" screen for a long time at work (in gamedev, so I wasn’t looking at excel files either… Well, actually I also was but that’s besides the point) and couldn’t really tell the difference with my home setup on that front (though I admit 32" at 1440p doesn’t look great sometimes, I also tried that for a while). Really, the most noticeable things were the HDR and the ludicrous fps I could get from having a top-of-the-line CPU and GPU (and 128 Go RAM also helped a bit I guess)
Good point, I didn’t keep ops display size in mind when i read this comment of “4k is a scam”, which may have been their point.
In my reply, I’m saying 4k isn’t a scam in general.
Remember when oblivion came out? Or crysis? They were so hard to run that they became meme benchmarks lol
And now that “gaming” is incredibly mainstream, the push to be more and more marketable by investors by pushing technology in graphics because that’s what sells.
Graphics too hard to run or not, I just want good games. And all this priority on intense graphical fidelity doth not maketh for many resources for the rest of the game and often shows a priority on PROFIT over all else.
Not buying games, for any reason, including you can’t play them, is probably the best and healthiest thing to happen to gaming since indie gaming…
So, go, play your 15 year old games. Enjoy what’s actually fun. The world will be a better place for it.
God damn, I couldn’t agree more. It’s been a blast playing older games, not gonna lie. I just can’t understand why I need to spend $700 plus on a GPU ONLY to be able to play something.
Because investors realized that gaming is lucrative and leads society. You think it’s a coincidence that Valve created basically the first successful digital distribution platforms and now every entertainment medium followed their model? Do you think microprocessors need to be that good on phones for Web browsing? AI compute hardware came from gaming gpu technology. The software originally made for and tested on games.
But, like music publishers trying to push the newest and latest and greatest music on us, only to have you realize that “oh yeah, 80s music actually kicks ass” and “oh fuck, 50s music WAS neat” or if you have or when you do “holy shit classical is actually amazing and lasted for literally hundreds of years whereas current pop music is constantly only like 2 years old”…
…Like music in that way, old games don’t just magically become irrelevant and bad, despite what pop culture may try to tell us. Compatibility may be the biggest issue, but a lot of old games are legitimately better than newer ones (a lot of old games were bad too). It’s all the social and technical evolution of the medium, and once you start being able to look at it that way - once that perspective and vibe catches on a bit more - I think gaming will be healthier.
Don’t spend 700 bucks. The game will still be there. Wait. Play fun things now that you can, and if when it’s economically playable for you it’s still fun, then it’ll still be fun. There are far too many games right now to even seriously consider fomo for anything but the MOST socially important games, and those are few and far between, and usually very easy to run.
You’re doing fine.
Don’t look at how much 5090s cost in like Australia or some other countries.
Absolutely spot on. It needs a personal change. A change in mentality, the way we think of entertainment, games in this case. We need to stop believing these profit hungry people and stop chasing after those “shadows” and “highlights” and every single detail in games. When you enjoy a game, you won’t even notice all those “details”. You’re not going to be running around in a game looking at trees and sunlight. I guarantee you that it all becomes blur in the background and you won’t even care about it. It’s all a collective anxiety they’ve trained us into. Chasing after those fps numbers and details is what got us hooked to their exorbitant prices and shit performance. It was somewhat a wakeup call for me, if you wanna call it that. I just got tired of stressing about my hardware, that’s totally fine and capable, not playing their shit and poorly optimized games. Then come those who defend corporations and berate you for “choosing the wrong resolution”. Why? I like 4k. It looks nice. Why do I have to bear the burden of their poorly optimized games. They ARE 100% more than capable of optimizing their games to run on 4k ON MY RX6600, but they don’t want to. They’re lazy. It won’t make them enough money. It won’t squeeze the last penny out of our pockets. They’re also listening to Nvidia. Of course Nvidia wants us to believe that games are “so good” nowadays that we need their top of the line $3000 GPU to play them on 4k. How dare we peasants play on 4k on a non $3000 GPU? Blasphemy!!! Fuck’em. At least there are still folks like you out there who understand this bullshit and don’t bootlick.
Lol you’re cute.
Also, it’s a fascinating novel perspective you’ve presented, in that our caring about fps and small details is a learned obsessive behavior. I’d love to hear more about how you think that works and came to be.
Go back further back. It is like this ever since gaming on PC is a thing. Doom, Wing commander 3, Quake III, …
You have to go back to when gaming was dominated by the Amiga and Atari ST to find a time when it hasn’t been like this.
I’d say thanks to Indie games, it is actually much easier to have a pleasing gaming life on low specs nowadays.
Games should be easier to run, with better modding tools. Simple as that, Morrowind with mods is still a fantastic time and it runs well on a Steam Deck, something we can carry around with us.
people out here really refusing to compress, compile, and optimize their work
That’s my whole point. Why are we fsulting ourselves and defending big studios who got greedy and lazy? Games used to look good and play good on shit hardware because developers had no choice. Now, you get downvoted a berated if you say that. It’s not a hardware issue, it’s a game industry issue. They are lazy. They don’t give a shit. They release shit half baked and broken then “fix” it later.
It’s not just insane power requirements. It’s putting graphics bling ahead of playability and fun.
I recently bought Doom 2016 and Mosa Lina. I’ve had more fun with the latter than the former, even if I’ve been a Doom and Doom II player all my life.
for me many old games are just that, old. some have still great modern gameplay and just as good music as back then. if the artstyle is nice then i play them and dont think they are ugly.
some games i really think are fucking ugly like the when the textures are verw low blurry and low resolution.
and these 2d games or games with sprites (how to call them? like age of empires 1 or 2. for me they dont age, its their artstyle and if you make it 3d then its not nive anymore.
what game i cant play are these, that are 3d but something makes it that the picture is all so flat and confusing. metal gear solid 3, as an example.
Ita fucking insanity. I got a great deal on 2 4k monitors from Facebook marketplace (I’ve edited the post for more context) and now I can’t play anything. :/
Surely you’re not trying to use a card that targets 1080p gaming for 4k.
That’s all I can afford. And there was no way I’d pass those monitors. Everything is good when emulating, though. This post was more of a venting/ranting post.
You can always just run the monitors at 1080p when playing games. Perfect integer scaling doesn’t look bad if the display isn’t massive.
That’s certainly fair, however it’s unrealistic to expect a card to perform the same while doing +4x the work, all else being equal.
Have you tried playing at non-native resolutions?
I mean you probably are just going to have to run the games at 1080p instead of 4k until you can afford a better gpu
Some games run like shit even on 1080p. Lmao. But I get ya
Sounds like you don’t understand how demanding it is for a graphics card to run at 4K. Like trying booting up the same game 4 times at 1080p. You expect your graphics card to be able to handle that?
If you find yourself playing old games more and more, [email protected] or [email protected] might just be the communities you need to join if you haven’t already.
[email protected] is another one worth looking at. It’s for people who don’t play games at launch, but wait a few years instead :)
Hell yeah, joined all three. Thank you
Don’t worry - once you’ve upgraded everything the games are still the same yellow-markings-mean-climbable, branching-skill-tree, press-Y-to-Parry, level-gated-fetch-quests, enemies-drop-loot-that-is-not-as-good-as-what-you-already-have, collect-all-the-orbs nonsense your computer could already play.
Damn, that’s another thing. All games are the same, but have different environments. That’s why I get bored with them really quick.
