I will say that this is some significant gaslighting. The bar is by no means “on the ground” if you are a guy - unless maybe your bar for women is also on the ground. Like, could you woo a grossly overweight, extremely insecure woman who works at Walmart and has no hobbies other than complaining about her more successful sister? Yeah, probably. But idk, I personally have standards in both the looks and personality department for women I want to date, and these are not some superficial “shallow” standards - they are standards without which I seriously have no interest whatsoever in spending time with or sleeping with a potential partner.

So the question is - where is the bar for the women you’d be interested in dating? Like, the cute, athletic, cheerful, intelligent, successful girls who usually don’t break down in tears because they are out of orange juice. And the answer is - higher than you wish it was! Because every other guy also wants to date these women, and while some of those guys are shitty, a lot of them are also jacked, hilarious, kind, emotionally open, rich, and yes, tall! If you want to date these women, you have to work hard to make yourself stand out - getting in better shape, dressing in a way that looks good and expresses your personality, becoming more emotionally open and sociable, having an interesting and fun lifestyle, etc. And then you have to work hard again, because unless you are just an ungodly top shelf man, most women will still not want to date you for some reason, most of which are out of your control, so you will therefore have to shoot your shot with a lot of women until you find the ones who are into you.

Oh my God, YES!!! WOMEN LIKE TALL GUYS!!! Obviously I don’t mean all women, but a statistical sampling of women would reveal that “being tall” or “being taller than me” is a turn on for a significant majority of women. This doesn’t mean short guys should take the black pill and give up on dating because all women are shallow bitches. But it does mean that dating will be harder if you are a short guy. This isn’t a death knell for your dating life, but it does mean you will need to work harder at the things you do have control over, and it means you’ll get rejected more often for a specific reason outside your control.

And meanwhile, these women who aren’t into short guys aren’t “immature”, or “shallow”. They are simply staring their preferences and/or requirements. Physical attraction is important, and trying to date someone you aren’t physically attracted to is a bad way to start a relationship. After all, you probably wouldn’t want to date a girl with a face that looks like she got run over by a semi truck. That’s not fair, she can’t control how her face looks, but also, fairness doesn’t matter because you don’t want to date her. Full stop. Terminal value. Life isn’t fair, and it isn’t up to some random person you run into to make it fair for you. That’s a big case of not their problem.

To summarize: Dating is harder for shorter guys. This is no one’s fault, and no one is being a bad person. Short guys just need to work harder. Sorry.

The bar is set REALLY low

There’s a saying “the bar for men is in hell”

I thought it meant there was a drinking establishment for men in hell. They go and drink with the devil, and that’s where they get all their bad ideas. They’re doing shots and the devil’s like “say she’s fat”, and the guy is like “good advice bro”.

Turns out the saying just means the bar is super low. So low you don’t even have to jump. It’s so low, it’s deeper than the depths of the earth and in the fires of hell that burn below.

But yeah, so many men are so horrible, it’s shockingly easy to rise above them.

People do get rejected for their height lol, ppl are shallow, all woman aren’t saints, what you should be saying is you should avoid anyone that cares about height, theyll remove themselves and its a non issue, ive had girls attracted to me calling me 6 foot be less atteacted to me visibly when I corrected them and said im actually 5 10 no logic in it lol

This absolutely. I’m a 5’1" lady, and I do like my partner to be taller than me, but basically everyone is taller than me.

If you lined up every man I’ve dated over my lifetime, you’d see men from 5’2" to 6’4".

The right people are there for the person, not shallow bullshit. Hygiene is the best indicator, yes. Good hygiene, nice person, you’ll find success.

When my now husband told me he was 6’3" my jaw dropped. Sure I was happy (he can reach the top shelf for me) but I seriously wouldn’t have batted an eye if he was shorter

Date kind people, not shallow cunts and you should be okay.

I dated one guy who told me he was 5’10". He was kind of a cunt. He was actually 5’7". It just showcased his insecurity. I didn’t like that. Wear yourself with pride. No one choses to be short/tall. Accept yourself and others will too.

Weird; I mean, I know it’s anicdotal but I’m 5’6" and I’ve never had anyone so much as even mention my height (maybe when around other men when I was younger once or twice but the bulk of my friends have always been more women such that I don’t truly remember).

I guess it doesn’t really contribute to the thread but I was just genuinely surprised at such a difference of experience.

But people who limit their choices to strict deterministic traits tend to completely skip right over awesome people, and then they wonder why they’re partners are so terrible.

True as Hell, though.

Also fat…

Sorry, but you are to tall for this rollercoaster :/

Condolences my dude.

I’d consider myself to not care about if my partner was higher than me.
But if I am really honest with me, I do think it would hurt my pride if my partner was taller.
I am totally fine if equal or whatever else size. But I believe if the personality is near total hit and fits mine, I could totally see past that.