Immediately after this she also says that short-term gains & geopolitical power (ie USA).
She just says that racism allows such a system to even exist.
What is her reasoning that racism allows the system to exist? It seems like a desire for geopolitical power could easily create the same situation without racism.
because all things equal it’s easier to get your country to support funding genocide of the other
Sure. But does this additional ease move the needle from impossible to possible? My intuition is that it does not.
I mean yea, that’s usually how it goes. You start with the racism first to build an enemy. Use that as an excuse to gather power and manufacture consent. The genocide is just an after thought to the people in power but it’s part of the whole shebang.
My default position is that the average person is okay with genocide regardless of who is being genocided as long as those people are far away and don’t impact their lives. Caring about people you have never met is not a default human response.
that’s true until they see it on tv / in person
they are only far away if they are out of mind
but if you precondition your population to see them as vermin fist it softens the horror
Because not seeing the Palestinians as humans makes it easier to ignore the genocide
If people were being genocided, then that would be an issue. However, we are civilized enough in the West to realize that it is merely Muslim Arabs who are being killed. This makes the justification significantly easier to believe
I don’t entirely believe that. I think that we in the West are entirely capable of ignoring the suffering of people far away regardless of race. The race of the genocided people might make them easier to ignore for the mean Westerner, but I think with sufficient distance and potential for geopolitical influence, anything is possible.
Compare the perception of Ukrainians to that of Gazans. Obviously a bit of an apples to oranges comparison though in terms of the underlying conditions
My understanding (with by words - just bcs I find it obvious):
Few people create & maintain the system actively, the rest of them/us just feed it money & don’t do anything when it’s killing children or exploiting the poorest countries on Earth.Racism, lack of compassion, the general idea that we (developed countries measured by GDP?) are automatically somehow something more just bcs we were born here & entitled to nice lives supported by a greater number of lives elsewhere, etc.
(To clarify, racism isn’t just the thing towards black people in USA, every nation has it’s own forms, and they are rarely based on color, usually it’s nationality. So it’s easier to say X country should have lower wages bcs it’s providing us cheap goods.)
Racism, lack of compassion, the general idea that we (developed countries measured by GDP?) are automatically somehow something more just bcs we were born here & entitled to nice lives supported by a greater number of lives elsewhere, etc.
Right. My point is that the first is independent of the second two. You can lack compassion and only care about yourself while also not being racist.
My point is that the first is independent of the second two.
… so compassionate racists too??
Yeah, I don’t think so, not really, the least thinking pleb.You can lack compassion and only care about yourself while also not being racist.
Hm, not really in practice - the argument is valid only on theoretical, isolated personal level.
But that’s is not how racism works/exist, racism is a systemic issue.If you are “not racist” (~don’t have those prejudices) but people around you are … and you are selfish & without compassion then it is in your best personal/economic/social interest to act just as racist as the rest, so “not racists act racists and participate in racist activities” (and especially not speaking against racism, at least not unless/until you can monetise it).
Systemic is an important word to include. Systemic racism.
Is this that weird, newfangled definition of racism where the actual beliefs and intentions of the actors arent considered, but the outcomes of a particular racial group are, so any action that makes a racial group worse off relative to any other racial group is racism?
Because if so, this statement seems very cart-before-the-horse. “If all racial groups were equally impacted by all actions, this wouldn’t be happening” is true, I guess… But it’s kind of like saying “if no one ever got murdered, this wouldn’t be happening.”
Systemic racism refers to the systems and structures that create and perpetuate racial inequality in society, affecting various aspects of life, including wealth, employment, housing, healthcare, education, and the criminal justice system. It’s not just about individual prejudice, but rather about the deeply embedded discriminatory practices, policies, and beliefs within institutions.
Pro-Semitic racism is a new one
Israel is the West’s ally so the West backs Israel
Ethics are only used to draw support to your side, they don’t really exist
Israel is an abusive relationship, they’re constantly killing us civilians and soldiers, and selling our stuff to russia
She’s right.
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The correct word would be chauvinism: racism is chauvinism based on racial differences, but it could also be based on wealth or religion, on food preferences or anything arbitrary…
chauvinism is the root cause for all evil in the world
I would argue that is misleading only because it removes the central operating mechanism of the West’s massive accumulation of wealth and domination of global politics; namely, the ideological belief that not only are Europeans superior, but that they are superior as a function of immutable, natural characteristics that can be elucidated through reason, intellect, and scientific inquiry and observation.
To cheapen the global Western project of white supremacy by simply calling it a derivative of chauvinism belittles the intentionality and institutionalization of the cultural project and lends credence to the idea that Europeans simply did what any other group would have done under the circumstances. Besides the apologist rhetoric apparent there, it also gives ammunition to the argument that the descendants of these people hold no responsibility for inheriting such a legacy, and therefore have no incentive to stop its perpetuation.
It is not belittling if i called an asshole not the correct type of asshole…
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There are other factors. And they’re all rooted in racism.
Even the corruption of things like AIPAC. It’s racism weaponized via bribery and blackmail. I don’t know what AIPAC is called in other countries and don’t care. But I know it exists. And its all just racism.
There is no grey area here. There is no debate. There are no “buts” here. An illegal settler occupation is ethnically cleansing an indigenous population. There is good and evil. And the ones doing the slaughtering are evil. Categorically, ontologically, indisputably evil. Period.
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Okay, but the question is about why the world is not reporting it, not why Israel is doing it. Racism and secularism are the main culprits for the way it’s being reported.
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Yeah, no one is innocent here. No one. I don’t see Hamas genociding Israelites here though, do you? Secularism is for sure at play here. Christian nations are against the dirty Palestinian Muslims and their barbaric practices /s. They got most of their book from Judaism. They all worship the same fricking God though, Muslims included. You can’t make it make sense, and it never will to outsiders unfortunately. I am not uplifting anyone into the spotlight, but at least some people ha e actual morals.
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So if we ship the Palestinians to say Australia, and the Palestinians get support of money and weapons from a major superpower and then start to take land and resources from Australians and start to bomb them to dust. It will be ignored like how it is now?
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I’m glad everyone is listening to her and not giving a shit about what you think
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If that’s what passes for an insult these days, I’ll happily take it! This world could use more people with vivid imaginations rather than blowhards who get bunched up over semantics.
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Ah yes, the self-righteous, condescending ideologue: the historical harbinger of progress and justice.
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the full quote, which is actually quite accurate and succinct:
“Because of racism, that’s the simple answer I would say. Racism, and uh, basically, desperately trying to defend a destructive deadly system, that systematically puts short term economic profit, and to maximize geopolitical power, over the well being of humans and the planet. And right now it’s very very difficult to morally defend that, it is impossible, but still, they are desperately trying which is… absurd is not the word, but there are no words to describe it.”
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I love that Greta’s very existence triggers the right. You may not agree with her methods, but it’s undeniable that she gets attention on the issues she finds important. She’s doing more than me and anyone I know for issues I find important, and I admire her for that.
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It’s a damn injustice that they clipped that quote down to “racism”.
I mean…is it?
Sure, the extended quote gives more reason and specific examples and highlights the moral bankruptcy of an economic system which never benefitted anyone but its own elite, and now has to cannabilize its values and populace to perpetuate its own existence even as it erodes under the weight of its own demand for consumption and profit while shedding every ounce of legitimacy like a rabid dog shaking off fleas…
but if you weren’t raised as a middle class or above white person in the West, you already knew it was racism.
THIS is what you consider an injustice? Pathetic.
Go drink some water, pal. I thought it was a very well worded statement, and stripping it down like so really robbed it of a lot of its potency, imo. It’s fine to disagree with me, that’s your business, but to extrapolate that I consider this narrow quoting to be the injustice of injustices in this world is a little goddamn silly.
I don’t disagree with you; and I agree that it was well-worded. I just think it’s a pathetic use of the word.
It’s sad that this statement is true to the core, but I’ve seen statements and videos of Israelites literally claiming that Palestinians are not considered human. They are considered beneath, or less than human due to their belief, and that is how they are justifying their ethnic cleansing of the area.
Dehumanizing is always the first step. Male them less than human and the people will let you abuse them. Once they get used to that, you can demonize the next group, and it will be even easier to get the rubes on board.
This is a naive way to look at a news article.
She may have elaborated further but do you really think the press is going print an essay over a sound bite? Especially on social media?
Greta has made longer statements on this, why not look them up before thinking you know something you don’t?
Who benefits from her elaborating? I think the one word quote does an adequate job of naming the problem clearly and making it recognizable.
One word answers in a headline are almost always done with express intent of ragebaiting people on social media because it helps algorithms promote posts if people respond to them. Its not about clarity, its about ambiguity
You’re right about the intent, but it still doesn’t diminish what I said. Racism also goes a long way towards explaining the methods that Western media excuses to rationalize violence against the rest of the world (see: all the reporting about Israeli airstrikes in Iran or the anti-immigration protests in N. Ireland)
The sooner we call a spade a spade instead of arguing over specifics, the less people will die.
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Sounds right?.. Right?
Also money and power.
I like to think the rich and powerful want to subjugate all people equally.
So, racism.
Brought to you by, racism (nepotism too to another degree)
Shout out to tribalism!
We see you!
Not sure if it is just racism here in NL or because the Ukraine war is more important for us here since it is a lot closer and more relevant than us.
The bullshit in the US is also something we have a bigger impact on than the war in Gaza even though we will have new elections soon.
I feel like she is a bit naive about that. Racism is like a really big driving force that has lead us to where we are today, and it is still a huge part of the problem. But even if you snapped racism out of existence right now, I think that specifically the Gaza situation would only slightly improve. I think there are a few really critical things that you would also need to eliminate:
- The biggest driving force in that area is religion, both Christianity and Judaism in Israel and the US (not all of them, but a lot of powerful parts of them) really want Jerusalem and Gaza as they are both important parts of the return of the Messiah if I remember correctly
- Second and very close to first is power. For the US Israel is the Middle East HQ, supporting the Israeli government is basically non-negotiable. Only if the US government changes to one with actual morals (Yeah right) will they actually go against Israel. And for Israel it is currently with a government built on corruption that leans heavily towards extreme right and religious parties.
- The rest are money, racism, and other common culprits.
I truly believe that if tomorrow racism was gone there would be very little difference in the overall situation, and this is not to reduce from fact that racism is a huge reason of how we got here.
I don’t know why you are being downvoted because your analysis is on point. Yes it is racism, mainly on the US part, but religion on Israel part.
However, we should note that Israel treats semitic jews as sub-jews. So it’s still racism, at its core.
It’s still people thinking that they’re better than other people. Because of their skin, their heritage, their religion - that does not really matter. This all counts as racism. She’s absolutely right, yet again.
Racism is kind of like the basis for all of this horrible stuff, but at somepoint it goes past it. What I’m trying to say is that even if tomorrow racism stopped, Palestinians would still be ubder attack by Israel because Israel would still blame tgem for 7.10 and would still have the excuse of taking down Hamas. So even if they weren’t racist they would still support the war. It might make things better to a degree, reduce war crimes and stuff. But the Israeli government would still want to conquer Gaza because of religion (which is not racism but still fucked up) and the US would still support Israel because of power over the middle-east.
I didn’t say she was wrong, but to say that racism is the only problem is naive.
Judaism and Islam don’t make good neighbors? Who knew
The problem isn’t Judaism, the problem is white colonialism.
she’s not wrong, if it were white people that were being killed there would be more reaction
heck, trump made up a white genocide in south Africa just to make them look bad
She’s not wrong, but also not 100% right. Racism plays a part, but there’s also a good helping of “I’ve got mine” along with a whole lot of money tired into the military-industrial complex
Another comment mentioned that she did, in fact, elaborate this right after
There’s a reason that class consciousness is social consciousness.
Eh, not necessarily. Class consciousness is important, but thinking that it completely overlaps with social consciousness not true. People compartmentalize things.
For example male black homophobes are common in America; Which is ironic because one would think that a black male would understand how it feels being a marginalized caste. Nevertheless, they do not transfer there own experience of racism with their own actions against homosexuals.
So my point is, being class conscious does not guarantee someone to become social conscious as well.
Hell yeah. We’ve even got people who voted Trump despite illegal immigrants in their family, or being married to one because: “he’s only going to deport the bad ones”.
There’s also people who themselves came in the same way but eventually did get legal standing/citizenship yet are in full support of what’s going on now.
Being bad at one is what makes you bad at the other. Nazbols aren’t class conscious, the term means more than “vaguely aware that the rich run things and maybe they shouldn’t”
Restating your prior point in a different way doesn’t make it any more or less correct. The point is these two things seem to be independent from each other, which, if true, would already disprove the modified claim you are presenting.
The issue is, there exist plenty of people who are bad at both, good at both, and bad at one and good at the other. This pattern doesn’t support a strong connection between being class conscious and being socially conscious.
The thing about explaining simple math like x=y is that the slower, stubborn students that don’t know or understand how these letters can mean numbers usually just need it to be phrased a different way because they’re hung up on some irrelevancey.
The correct method is to actually articulate the irrelevancy; but that takes real work… Either that or perhaps the teacher doesn’t understand what the irrelevancy is, so instead, they resort to just repeating the same thing: not internalizing that perhaps the math isn’t as simple as they think.
Remember how the world jumped to save insert long list of European countries during WW2 or the siege of Sarajevo?
The fact that both sides are the same race in this just makes it funnier
You mean when America dragged its feet entering WW2? I suppose Canada jumped in to help but we’re a commonwealth country.
Well we were trying appeasement before the war started so saying anyone jumped in to help is misleading
$$ Money $$
There’s no money in helping Gaza.
That’s only kind of true. There’s a lot of money that could be found in funding Gaza. As someone made a point elsewhere in this thread. Money was made in Ukraine due to us funding it and some creative accounting, but the smart money move was to allow Russia to invade and save money/exploit off the back of the chaos.
In an almost identical way the U.S. could have funded Gaza and made money dragging out the war, but it didn’t happen because of decades of entrenched racism and Zionism.
There was no money in helping Ukraine, yet it was done. 100% lack of optics due to racism.
And yet, as soon as Trump took office they stopped helping ukraine. Your argument is shit, mate.
Because Trump is a Russian asset and defunding Ukraine benefits Putin.
Your basic understanding of global politics is shit, mate.
Oh, i thought it was only racism. My bad, cant believe where i got that idea from.
It’s your lack of basic reading comprehension. See, she said “racism”, not “ONLY BECAUSE OF racism”.
See those extra words? They modify the context.
Oh boy, now I have to define context…
Oh boy. If you they would have put that into their argument so that it wasn’t shit 😄
The word you’re actually looking for is xenophobic, not racism. Xenophobia explains the decisionmaking of states where the culture is at odds.
There’s rare earth minerals.
Gaza has nothing other than beachfront real estate, but you got to remove them in order to take advantage of that.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. . . . American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. . . . This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. . . .Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. . . . In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
Dwight D Eisenhower’s farewell address, 1961
There was absolutely money in Ukraine. When you read “billions of dollars in weapons sent”, if Ukraine received the weapons who do you think received the billion dollars?
Not directly, but by sending weapons etc to Ukraine, the US can basically wage war against Russia with no casualties of their own, while replacing the old stuff they send with new stuff, as well as justifying more military spending in the budget. For the right people, there’s plenty of profits to be made.
I would say “interests at large” rather than dollars.
Ukraine is military strategic interest (nobody in Europe wants to have Russia to randomly decide to start a war with an EU country)
In Middle East (with oil) is dollars
In Taiwan is military strategic interest
On the other side of the spectrum? Myanmar, Gaza, random African conflicts, etc
Ukraine is one of the worlds bread baskets and critical to global infrastructure. There was very much money in helping Ukraine.
For European countries supporting Ukraine is also important for their own safety. If Russia were to win it will go on to attack the next country. Every loss Russia suffers in Ukraine is a win for places like Romania, Moldavia etc.
AIPAC
Vote for non aipac politicians
Aipac’s sole job is to make that either impossible or unlikely to work. They’re very good at that.
They make it harder but everybody who know how to use internet can educate itself and vote for the right people
Entirely true, assuming you can find enough politicians in your voting area that can’t be bought with money and power.
What does that mean?
American Israeli Political Action Committee - a very right wing group that backs politicos seeking election while ensuring the strings attached include unquestioning support for Israel.
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Money for US politicians, weapons for Israel and more dead palestinians.
I don’t think that’s the main reason. Racism is probably a factor, but the main reason is imperialism. Israel benefits The U.S. and NATO strategically. Even if Gazans were, say, russian-speaking Cossacks instead, I think the situation would not be terribly different.
But imperialism IS racist at it’s core though. The justification historically (and implicitly today) is these people are better off either dead or under our control, because they don’t share our European bloodli- I mean values.
What was the motivation when the Aztecs or Mongolians did it?
The motivation is not ethnicity. It’s resources.
Always has been.
Yeah, racism is a huge impetus for imperialism, sure. But if for some reason Gazans gradually became white over the past 75 years, I don’t think the imperialism would stop now. The log’s rolling.
Yeah fair enough. There’s just too much momentum.
Progressive is the new democrats. You just want to feel better about things. It’s not a necessity for you subconciously that things get better. You will probably be the next generation of boomers. Edward Bernays second set of children managing perception. It could be argued. There hasn’t been much human progress.
Lol, what a loser
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She is kind of clueless, but yeah. At least maybe sparks people thinking.
How do you mean clueless?
Well I guess governments like the US do use racism to convince their supporter base that what Israel is doing is good, essentially by equating a whole nation with potential for terrorism. and this fits the narrative in many people’s head when the said nation is mostly middle eastern, has brown skin and speaks arabic.
But this is just one such tool. There is religion, nationalism, fear mongering etc etc The real reason is as always, insanities revolving around wanting more and more and more power.
Literally everything is manipulation. Nobody questions why this particular girl was allowed to speak in front of the EU. Nobody thinks about why things happen. Who are selected and who is not. What agenda is played out.
If you as a teenager wants to talk to the EU, you think you can just do that? Many questions.
Well since you brought it up, why do you think?
I dont know. I just would like to know why she is treated special and became a world celebrity, since nobody else could do that.
if we are talking about the media, the media always loves a good story. a young girl with this much determination is a good story.
if we are talking about whether she deserves all the praises she gets that is another topic.
In any case it is good to create such role models for younger generations especially when on the opposite side we have shit faces like Andrew Tate trying to spread misogyny and toxicity to them.
A young girl with this much determination… So you think anyone with enough determination will be able to speak to the EU and get media coverage to argue with Donald Trump?
Are you going to do anything but JAQ off?
I have seen similar things happen before multiple times. One I can remember: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42358227
So you think anyone with enough determination …
Also I am going to remind you we are talking about a twenty two year old girl who went to a fucking war zone knowing that she will be apprehended by soldiers of a fascist regime. I don’t know the last I saw a twenty two year old girl do this. So yea I think this situation is more unique than you elude to by your three dots.
Given that you asked such a loaded question, you at least must have some speculations as to why she was able to speak to the EU?
The leader is a follower and the follower is a leader that is dead. If there is a hell, it’s inside your head. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t force it to drink. So it is pearls before swine.
As the twig is bent, so grows the tree.
When she first got into activism she was a 16yo child of privilege and mistakenly believed the influential people who organized annual climate conferences actually wanted change.
The neoliberal media used her passion and desire for change to make themselves look good (greenwashing) by taking advantage of her naïveté, and made her famous as a result. She pretty quickly realized what was happening and was radicalized by the experience. She started giving speeches outside the climate conferences to protestors instead of giving them to wealthy neoliberals inside the climate conferences, which resulted in the neoliberal media joining in on the conservatives’ smear campaign against her.
Of course, there’s no way to know what is actually happening in her head, but the change in her actions indicates a radical shift in her worldview. She has become a truly radical activist for social justice. Using her fame as leverage does not discredit her in the eyes of anyone who supports her cause. It is strategic and necessary for protecting herself and her comrades from retaliation for their activism.
In August 2018, aged 15, Thunberg began skipping school, vowing to remain out of school until after a Swedish election to attempt to influence the outcome. She protested outside the Swedish parliament where she called for stronger action on climate change by holding up a Skolstrejk för klimatet (School Strike for Climate) sign and handing out informational flyers.[7] After the election, Thunberg spoke in front of supporters, telling them to use phones to film her. She then said she would continue school striking for the climate every Friday until Sweden was in compliance with the Paris climate agreement.[8] Thunberg’s youth and blunt speaking manner fueled her rise to the status of a global icon.[9]
After Thunberg’s first school strike for the climate, other students engaged in similar protests. They united and organized the school strike for climate movement. After Thunberg addressed the 2018 United Nations Climate Change Conference, weekly climate strike protests took place on Fridays around the world. In 2019, coordinated multi-city protests involved over a million students each.[10] To avoid carbon-intensive flying, Thunberg sailed on a carbon-free yacht from England to New York where she addressed the 2019 UN Climate Action Summit.[11] In her speech, Thunberg scolded the world’s leaders by exclaiming “How dare you” in reference to their perceived indifference and inaction to the climate crisis. Her admonishment made worldwide headlines.[12]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg
You’re clearly a troll with nothing better to do than “just ask questions” https://youtu.be/elRxbGJuCw8 but for the benefit of others, click on the Wikipedia link above and read for yourself who Greta is and why she’s famous.
She started a protest and got thousands who followed her on the streets including scientists and politicians.
She’s a lobby leader it’s kinda normal for them to speak infront of parliament.
Her being a minor made her the darling of the press which also helped.
Now please share your theory.
I dont have one. I just thought it was strange. Normally people dont get any attention at all. You have thousands of people demonstrating over issues and they get almost zero attention. This girl was put on media, got a lot of support and attention and became some kind of a symbol. Why her?
People protest all the time and nothing happens.
Our memories are short and redundant news cycles endless, in addition to everything in our own lives to attend to. Greta and her family lived a fairly comfortable life, from what I understand (and I can have a faulty understanding), but her family loved her enough to make sacrifices to encourage her passion (I believe her mother gave up her career? Please correct me if I am wrong) which fortunately fell on climate justice, which naturally eventually led to social justice, since the poor and disenfranchised have the most to lose, first. This is a very bad rough summary so a few kilos of salt, please.
Nobody questions why
When she first popped up there were MANY people who questioned who the fuck she was that she could speak to the EU leadership. Why her? Because she’s been an activist from a very young age, and her parents have connections (being minor celebrities).
These pepole dont even know “Skolstrejk för klimatet”
Some of us can search and then remember.
Yeah maybe that is the reason. It was just very strange to me.
She has achieved far more than you ever will
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Alright then - put your money where your mouth is. If getting on a boat to draw international coverage of a genocide isn’t enough - what did you do to fight evil today?
I told a rightwinger that if he drew Trump’s face on all of his cumsocks, he might get off quicker.
He’s still a Trump supporter, but, the genocide didn’t end, so.
0 - 0 Me and Greta rn. No clear winner.
Pro tip - directly insulting a Trump supporter with that kind of irrelevant remark doesn’t really help.
You want to look for pain points and hypocrisy. Do they have kids? Talk about what happened at Miss Teen America. Are they flipping their lid about Trump protecting ‘merkins from sharia law? Ask them why he supports Al-Sharaa.
Greta, you know, kinda got international news to cover Gaza here? Also got international news to cover our impending climate disaster?
Talk is a form of activism. Just because you don’t get instant results doesn’t mean that it’s pointless.
Reviving protests in france is better than nothing. Even if she fail at everythng she still tried.
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Even if she fail at everythng she still tried.
She’d fit right in with American Democrats, that’s a trait they both share.
No, she tried. democrats don’t.
What about the other activists. You don’t care because they are not as famous?
They’d do a lot more good with an M16 than a microphone.
She hasn’t prevented fascism so her efforts have been fruitless? Kinda nonsense argument is that?
She started a worldwide youth climate strike movement involving millions in 150+ countries over thousands of strikes. Encouraged global youth and political reforms, even influencing local government decisions in places like the U.S, credited with inspiring the “Greta effect”: shifts in public attitudes and behaviors on climate action. Made flight-free travel a trend, boosting the “flygskam” (flight shame) movement in Scandinavia, which reduced domestic flights in Sweden by ~9% in 2019. Put actual pressure on the systems at large and has impacted their decision making. List goes on. These are deep systemic changes she’s successfully pushing.
With no backing other than having a spine. MAGAts love to pretend her parents pushed her into it but it was the other way about.
You seem kind of clueless about the 13 min interview where she speaks fully, from which this brief quote is taken. But at least maybe sparks people listening to more than just quotes.
