right now I’m trying a dedicated Jellyfin instance for audio only (bought the lifetime emby subscription before i learned about jellyfin, so video is elsewhere) but having trouble finding a good client that could run on the guts of an old autonomic MMS2A. That device has an analog and digital output, which with the normal OS treated as two separate sources. is that something anyone else has tinkered with? the original plan was to just run a kodi instance with the jellyfin addon, but im not sure if this has the horsepower to run kodi, and certainly not two at once! (4gb of ram max for this beast.
i need it to be remotely controllable, it’d be cool to have easy playlist management/backup that other devices could see, and potentially an android client if possible?
I’ve dabbled with the “____sonic” ecosystem back before i was really good at linux, and struggled a bunch, before giving up without anything real to show for it.
just curious if anyone else has been down this road successfully!
thanks for this community, my scrolling stops INSTANTLY when i see a post from here.
(oh my music server is a truenas SMB share, hosted in a proxmox vm! not opposed to putting a big SSD in this device if local music would make things easier)
My problem is that I cannot find a selfhosting solution that has the nuts to spool up 80k+ hi-res, original sourced, flac files that reside on two 10TB drives through my ancient technology. MusicBee is the closest thing I’ve come across, but that is local, and it struggles. I stay around the compound now days so local is ok, but it would be nice to stream out on the back porch without cranking my stereo to 11 so I can hear. I have bluetooth options but range is an issue.
if you can, don’t be afraid to pull some wires! i come from a low-voltage background, and am getting ready to run some cabling for distributed audio.
found some old control4 gear that can be controlled directly from Home Assistant, no control4 processor required!
Hello fellow hass/mass user. Also, what sort of low voltage?
Fire/security alarms? Or access control? (Or both)?
I do both, as well as CCTV.
oh lawd i am glad to meet another out in the wild!
i was fortunate to start with residential alarm and A/V. due to a talent vacuum, leapfrogged to control system programmer/service, which allowed a few forks in the road (service manager, project manager and sales,) before bringing me back to my primary passion in this industry, AV programming and design.
but yeah I’ve installed my fair share of alarm panels, access control, thousands of camera systems.
but most of my shit has been fixing old rich people’s wifi and kids/grandkids AV
Try Ampache! I host 75k files with it.
I picked up a Denon DNP-730AE network audio player on ebay and I run Tiny-DLNA on my server where the music files and playlists are stored.
Works great and sounds great.
I use navidrome for the streaming and lidarr for downloads. I am not totally thrilled with navidrome as I can not play genres. I want to setup an icecast streaming server with individual “channels” for each genre
My use case: collection based on single-flac + cuesheets, thousands, many of which are HD. Setup: all the music is in an NFS share in my HTPC, which also runs Kodi (flatpak) for both video and audio media. That machine is connected to my main audio setup via USB DAC.
The Kodi music DB is hosted externally in mariaDB in the same server. I use 2 headless Kodi (OSMC) clients with HiFiBerry DACs as streamers around the house, using the same DB/media. Lastly I also have an Nvidia Shield running Kodi also exposing the same collection/DB.
Over the years I have tested many alternatives, including navidrome, volumio, and others, but they all struggle handling my music collection, choke processing cuesheets or don’t even support them, or can’t handle NFS reliably or at all, or can’t process 24 bit content etc.
I couldn’t find any solution nearly as reliable, performant or flexible as this one. I use this setup pretty much daily. With incremental improvements, it’s been running for more than 10 years.
Each Kodi client can be managed via its web interface (a little dated but fully functional and reliable), amd via Android app (I use Yatse).
The main server also exposes the music collection via DLNA.
I looked at jellyfin/Plex in the past as well but for muy use case, it’s over-complicated and didn’t add value.
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when i first saw and played with music assistant i was absolutely amazed for a bit. the ability to sling tunes to any device that can be seen on the network with all metadata available on a home assistant (adjacent) dashboard? sign me up! i was thrilled at the audiobook/podcast support as well. able to tie in tidal and local music with announcement capabilities… just awesome!
i can’t remember the exact reason why but it didn’t quite work perfectly for me, as far as “checking all the boxes”
the companion app wasn’t quite designed to be a music source and would stop playing if screen was locked for a few seconds? on webpage it is like, constantly spamming KDE connect to continue playing, even when sending to another device.
i am following music assistant for sure though!
My favorite use case for MASS is my desktop PC, in our bedroom, has a decent 5.1 sound system, and is running squeezelite.
I have an alarm automation that starts playing from the random 500 playlist.
When my phone connects to my car’s Bluetooth, it transfers the queue to my phone, which is running snapcast on a VPN.
When my phone disconnects from my Bluetooth, and I am at home, it transfers any queue from my phone back to my desktop.
If I’m not at home it just stops the music, otherwise it’ll start playing through the phone speakers.
While at work, I’ll use Ultrasonic rather than music assistant, because my data inside my work area is sporadic, and not conducive to a good musical experience with how MASS streams.
holy shit this is the kind of stuff that piques my interest! Flawless location hopping eh? is this descended from the old Logitech platform? will CERTAINLY look into this
That I’m not sure of, I know MASS uses snapcast internally, and can stream to LMS/squeezelite players.
I also wouldn’t call it 100% flawless, but it works well enough for me.
This project shows a lot of promise and I am following it. I run HomeAssistant as well in my home server. At this time though (or:last time I checked) it didn’t support cuesheets at all, it fell a little short for my use case.
i do love me some Kodi/libreELEC!
how hard is it to stand up a headless kodi? this would still work with jellyfin with addon, but it might be REALLY FUN to install a kodi addon with no screen
also i am having trouble hunting down what cuesheets means in this context?
For doing Kodi GUI setup changes in a headless setup in the RPis remotely, I use a VNC server installed in them that I start on-demand (when needed), e.g dispmanx. Needing this is a once-in-a-few-years type event, but yes you need this installed just in case.
also i am having trouble hunting down what cuesheets means in this context?
When you rip an audio CD you can either create one file for each track or you can rip the entire CD as one track and create a cue sheet file which is basically a text file describing where each track starts in that single audio file. This can be useful to have an exact copy of the CD without adding unintended gaps between tracks. It is primarily useful if you intend on recreating the actual audio CD at a later time from the ripped data. Most people don’t need this.
ooolala TIL! thanks!
Cool nick! But it could be even better!
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I just keep all of my music in an NFS share on my NAS and play it with Rhythmbox or VLC. I keep a compressed copy on the SD card in my phone to listen to when I’m not home.
I’ve just put it on an SMB share and use symfonium
people speak highly of this one. I’ll have to do a little research
Plex and PlexAmp
It’s unpopular around here, but Plexamp is fantastic.
Completely agree. I paid for Symfonium after seeing a lot of people on here raving about it but I still ended up back with Plexamp. I’d be curious to hear what people find other apps do better than plexamp.
The other apps don’t harvest my data, for one
What did you dislike about synfonium? I’m considering switching since I don’t have a plex subscription anyway so I did not get to enjoy the sonic analysis featured etc.
I can’t say there was anything that I really disliked about it, I actually really liked the app overall but I’ve been using Plexamp since basically the first public release so that just feels a bit more familiar. Plus I heavily use the sonic analysis features which I don’t believe exist outside of plexamp (please someone tell me if I’m wrong here).
Hosted with Jellyfin, for clients I use Symfonium on Android and Feishin on desktop.
I share a Spotify family plan with friends, but I use Zotify to make backups, which I then host in Jellyfin.
E:\mp3
I got an SMB sync app on my phone, stores any new music I’ve found into the network folder and syncs it up on my phone.
Sorted. Wherever I get more tracks from, they’re available on all my devices.
I use Funkwhale, which I have liked, but my use case is just streaming music through my laptop and listening with headphones. I don’t think there is a client available that will run on your Autonomic streamer.
Funkwhale does have a subsonic API, so you could use a subsonic client, but you mentioned that didn’t quite work before. (Is that what you mean by __sonic? I haven’t actually heard that term.)
Funkwhale is nice, but I think for most people it doesn’t (yet) offer any useful features beyond what Navidrome has, and probably even lacks a few things that Navidrome has. Funkwhale’s main appeal is that you can follow someone’s music library via the fediverse, although there hasn’t really been a lot of use for that so far. Version 2 is coming soon, though, and adds a whole bunch of new fediverse features.
that sounds cool! fediverse shit sounds great!
yeah my memory may be failing me but i seem to recall a bunch of things using an API with sonic in it i was lazy!
Navidrome server, symfonium on android is amazing. I also use maloja and multi-scrobbler to caoture plays from multiple sources and keep a in-house record of my plays.
Symfonium looks amazing except for the part where you need a google play account to use it. It literally has every feature I’ve been looking for.
There is a way without Google Play outlined here: https://support.symfonium.app/t/how-can-i-pay-for-symfonium-without-google-play/1290/2
I’ve found Tempo to be one of the better alternatives you can find on f-droid
I use it and like its UI but it doesn’t properly support offline, you can just download single tracks. By proper offline support I mean something like Audinaut, which unfortunately doesn’t work in new Android versions
I worked around that by making a smart playlist in Navidrome with all my tracks sorted by date added. In Tempo you can then download the entire playlist.
Just use AuroraStore to avoid google play account. You can even pay the Symfonium creator through a hacky workarround and get your full access without Google Play.
That’s an official way you can read it on Symfoniums forum somwhere !
ewwww really? not even Aurora store?
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Nextcloud.
And a subsonic app. There is also another protocol available so you have quite the choice for which you prefer. Currently using Tempo.
Navidrome + MusicAssistant
i linked those together and will be testing further! i wonder what it offers over the regular smb share
tempo is slick!
I also enjoy Navidrome. What does Musicassistant add for you? Seems like it can do a whole lot
Nice frontend plus Spotify integration for the library and then selecting different output sources from said frontend.
I use Jellyfin with FinAmp for Android. Even supports offline caching.
