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What do you wanna bet that, within the next month, a right wing talking head uses that phrase to defend Ghislaine Maxwell?
Actually, most of us can tell the difference between a committed sex trafficker and the actual sex slaves she helped traffic.
If this does get said in her defense, it will be bad faith, and the only people that repeat it will be MAGA loyalists.
Sure seems like a lot of these topics are coming up despite the fact any person with two brain cells to rub together knows there will always be some of any demographic who lies.
If you’re the sort of moron who sees conspiracies everywhere, then the conspiracy goes one way in the first part and a different way in the second part.
They literally see more women speaking out as more unlikely.
Because the list takes the onus away from women needing to speak out. We shouldn’t require victims to expose themselves if we have other evidence.
For the record: numerous women have spoke out against Trump for sexual misconduct while underaged. All the named ones are from Miss America or Miss Universe competitions. A couple of Epstein’s victims have filed charges against Trump too but those remain anonymous.
“At least” twenty-five women have publicly accused him and some have gone to court - here’s the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
Yeah but when victims do expose themselves, it’d be nice if a bunch of online shit heads didn’t constantly chant 'women are liars! They only want money!"
Agreed
Preaching to the choir in a place like Lemmy.
your also forgetting death threats from magats, that forced one to drop lawsuit against him.
Allegations of sexual crimes should always be taken seriously and addressed immediately, however, that’s not the same as taking the words of the victims words as the truth. A due process has to be mandatory and proof must remain a non negotiable requirement to arrest and punish someone. That’s the one and only way justice can be served.
That is a different topic. Conviction is not belief. Don’t be sneaky, please.
Because people lie. What we can do is to not victim shame so women would be less afraid to come forward. This alone would help deter a would be attacker
Agreed.
It would also help out men and boys to have a safe environment to come forward with their claims without facing abuse from society/police.
Trust but verify.
What if…Trump says he isn’t a pedophile because being with any of these girls would make him a hebephile. While there are people who go after young pre-pubescent children, pedophiles, men like Trump, like them pubescent. Yes, everyone likes to use the word pedo because then they don’t have to remember which word means what, but that is also the kind of loophole that Trump and his ilk use to claim their innocence. They aren’t pedos. They are Hebes. Semantics but that’s what criminals like to use to hide their illegal activity.
Is that relevant to something?
I like the energy, I think Trump should be rotting in prison, but it’s a shit argument that basically gives unrestricted power to random individuals.
You could make a similar collage full of false accusers. Without the need for proof, this could easily become a weapon to be used against good people. Don’t forget that Trump’s base is full of women as well
Sounds like bullshit
Uh. Which part specifically? None of that is opinion lol
Ah yes trump didn’t rape anyone /s
Oh, I tried this on shower thoughts. Get ready to read some depressing comments.
It’s called logic & rule of law & ethics. Which you don’t have
Exactly. This guy is advocating for dropping due process, these people are insane and can’t see the consequences of their own thinking.
Girl actually, she wants to jail men at a woman’s word. She’s a misandrist
Nice ad homin, I’m definitely going to take your opinion seriously now!
Projection much, But I take you seriously. (As a threat to law & order)
You don’t have to listen to the women, just listen to Cadet Bonespurs himself.
He went on Howard Stern and boasted of going into the dressing rooms of the Miss Teen USA pageant.
I think people do.believe them, it’s just the way justice systems work. It has to be proved without shadow of a doubt.
To give a serious answer you are right. Its not what you its what you can prove.
Justice systems? Where? What woukd that even look like?
Nobody who matters (Trumps fanbase, Trumps voters, Trumps politicans and Trumps supreme court) care whether he’s guilty or convicted.
But the Epstein list is something very central to the Trump campagin narrative and thus if he’s on there, that could cause major issues between Trump and his fanbase/voters.
Money and government are in the way. Person to person, who the fuck wouldn’t believe the woman?
Well if i have to believe women here, it’s a slippery slope to believing them about my bros!
That is an issue. Just believing women is ideal.
Okay but i can’t turn kn my bro’s, dude. And i don’t wanna be (known as) a guy who’s into rape.
I mean, maybe if we could judge people and try to heal as a community, rather than having some white dude dumb robes do it. Shame, loss of status, violence, restorative justice.
That sounds communist! And who will hurt the people i don’t like?
Anarchist here. And, I’ll do it. What’d they do?
Point out how much i suck in ways i cant refute, not be my slaves, have a life that’s substantially different from mine.
So, do you want to drop “innocent until proven guilty” for every accusation by a woman or do you have some simpler system than “evidence presented in an adversarial trial” you’d like to filter them through?
The justice system is broken, and I don’t know if it can be fixed. It is far too affected by Capital.
Nothing here is suggesting due process be skipped. The problem is that if he had his way, it definitely would be.
“just believe women” (emphasis mine) implies not applying the evidentiary standard or due process to accusations from women. If we apply due process we aren’t just believing them, we are (also) verifying their claims.
But, like I said, the “justice” system is broken. Not only do we have ACAB issues, and DAs being political, but there’s systemic bias against women and the marginalized from judges. (The “right” judge might not have a negative bias, but “on average” there seems to be a measurable effect/affect, tho it is hard to be sure you are comparing like with like when aggregating cases.) All of those are aggravated due to Captial being unequality distributed, and legally influencing 2.5/3 of those systems.
Trump isn’t giving due process to the “illegal aliens”. Why should we give it to him?
Because if we dehumanize persons, we are also fascists.
That said, Trump has gotten more than due process. He should be serving a sentence for he 43 (?) felony convictions, it is a miscarriage of justice for the sentence to have been nothing. And, that’s not the only example of “the system” being corrupt in his favor.
While I still hope for reform, revolution is appropriate ever since SCOTUS ruled on presidential immunity (yes, under Biden).
