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This particular subject doesn’t matter to me that much, like I couldn’t care much less about some scum-of-the-earth dudes writing a book about why they think it’s bad that they’ve been rightfully scorned by the world.
However, as someone who watched a fair amount of Dawkins when I was at the age for that, I am eagerly anticipating that portion of the video.
I couldn’t care much less about some scum-of-the-earth dudes writing a book about why they think it’s bad that they’ve been rightfully scorned by the world.
I think the battle taking place here is shitbags claiming that they are “science” and that it is important to take down any notion that what they do is scientific or rational minded.
Yeah I agree, I think I’m feeling particularly disinterested because there’s a lot of damage science is actively taking right now, and so I am disinterested in hearing about these guys just whining when there’s active harm being done that far exceeds the scope of their complaints. It doesn’t mean it’s not important to undermine them, it just means… well, I don’t care so much, I suppose.
It presumes the audience already cares and the subsequent breakdown of how most of these figures have gone from supposed champions of science to either full on Christians or cranks that believe in their own weird non science does illustrate how this point was eventually reached and while im not all the way through does seem to be where all of this is going. What kind of reason to care would you give someone that doesnt already? The video itself strengthens the point anyway, these supposed scientists dont care either and/or have contributed to the degradation of science through their culture war obsession. I don’t know what you want here.
Eh, I mean… that’s all fine, I can see why that would make it important enough for people to care in general. It just doesn’t do it for me personally. I’m not even entirely disinterested though, I’m working my way through the video regardless.
I mean, you already care about it, probably most of the audience already does and its talked about pretty much immediately and the subject of the video isn’t that. Feels like you’re criticizing something for not being a different thing.
That’s totally fair. I enjoyed it because it’s very satisfying to see Shaun dismantle each of their flimsy attempts at deflection and distortion and learn how intertwined all these figures are, but I wouldn’t say I came away from this video enlightened or anything. It just gives concrete evidence for what you could already figure out by looking at the cover of the book: these are a bunch of deeply unserious and bigoted people who only really care about advancing their own grifts, giving the air of scientific legitimacy to their bigotry, and whining about how they got “cancelled.” This video could be useful to mine for specific takedowns if you know someone who follows one of the (seemingly) more respectable people among them and want to try to guide that person away from this path, or if you habitually get into internet arguments and need ammunition to own someone. But beyond that, it’s mostly 4 hours of schadenfreude.
This particular subject doesn’t matter to me that much, like I couldn’t care much less about some scum-of-the-earth dudes writing a book about why they think it’s bad that they’ve been rightfully scorned by the world.
However, as someone who watched a fair amount of Dawkins when I was at the age for that, I am eagerly anticipating that portion of the video.
I think the battle taking place here is shitbags claiming that they are “science” and that it is important to take down any notion that what they do is scientific or rational minded.
Yeah I agree, I think I’m feeling particularly disinterested because there’s a lot of damage science is actively taking right now, and so I am disinterested in hearing about these guys just whining when there’s active harm being done that far exceeds the scope of their complaints. It doesn’t mean it’s not important to undermine them, it just means… well, I don’t care so much, I suppose.
That is literally the first thing addressed in the video.
Does he give a reason to actually care about it that I missed? I thought he just kinda acknowledged it.
It presumes the audience already cares and the subsequent breakdown of how most of these figures have gone from supposed champions of science to either full on Christians or cranks that believe in their own weird non science does illustrate how this point was eventually reached and while im not all the way through does seem to be where all of this is going. What kind of reason to care would you give someone that doesnt already? The video itself strengthens the point anyway, these supposed scientists dont care either and/or have contributed to the degradation of science through their culture war obsession. I don’t know what you want here.
Eh, I mean… that’s all fine, I can see why that would make it important enough for people to care in general. It just doesn’t do it for me personally. I’m not even entirely disinterested though, I’m working my way through the video regardless.
I mean, you already care about it, probably most of the audience already does and its talked about pretty much immediately and the subject of the video isn’t that. Feels like you’re criticizing something for not being a different thing.
I’m not criticizing it! Just saying it’s not a topic that is all that important to me, personally. No need to be so defensive.
Yeah Shaun specifically levels that criticism at them too.
That’s totally fair. I enjoyed it because it’s very satisfying to see Shaun dismantle each of their flimsy attempts at deflection and distortion and learn how intertwined all these figures are, but I wouldn’t say I came away from this video enlightened or anything. It just gives concrete evidence for what you could already figure out by looking at the cover of the book: these are a bunch of deeply unserious and bigoted people who only really care about advancing their own grifts, giving the air of scientific legitimacy to their bigotry, and whining about how they got “cancelled.” This video could be useful to mine for specific takedowns if you know someone who follows one of the (seemingly) more respectable people among them and want to try to guide that person away from this path, or if you habitually get into internet arguments and need ammunition to own someone. But beyond that, it’s mostly 4 hours of schadenfreude.