there is a line between feelings and action. its not right to feel aggression towards people because of their identity, but its wrong and murder to kill anyone on purpose because of their beliefs.
I imagine its already obvious to people in this thread that its wrong to murder people based on their identity as well.
If their beliefs are “you are subhuman, we need to kill you” they are welcome to change their beliefs. Or I will kill them. That is self defense. Get the fuck outta here with your fake morality
Yeah see because oppressors get to systemically starve people, manufacture crisises to sow mental health issues, deop bastions of pollution in your neighbors so you die to cancers and other health issues that arise, impoverish you so that you can’t afford to see anyone that can help any conditions that they helped cause to prevent your untimely death. The only moral response is to get on your knees and beg like a dog and deny yourself even a scrap of dignity praying they don’t continue to murder you and your loved ones in the dozens of ways that are socially acceptable.
Because fighting back is mean and makes you just as bad, and begging for mercy is the only moral response to a boot on your neck.
Edit: Do you condemn the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the violence they committed against Nazis?
I don’t know all the historical details, but I completely agree that poverty, oppression, etc is also a form of violence. I just don’t see murder as the solution.
Absolutely nobody is going to cry over dead nazis dipshit you are just making yourself look like a clown. Even the nazis don’t cry over dead nazis they all fucking laughed and joked behind Charlie Kirk’s back lmao
They didn’t give a shit about Otto personally they only cared about what it represents, the fascists losing. They have not a single shred of humanity. Swap any other person for his position and they’d be there all the same, any sadness is not for that person specifically but for their ideology.
They mourn losing, not death. They will spend as much death as is necessary and celebrate the death instead if they win. It is a cult of death and victory at all cost.
If you consider these groups to be human, as I do, then yes I am standing up for them, specifically becaise they are human, and they should not be murdered.
That would be great, but imagine being in a war and you say to your enemy “how about don’t kill me?” It would be great to stop violence, but lynching Hitler would be self defense. The victims of genocide are not murderers when they defend themselves.
Hitler and the Nazis committed genocide against in no particular order: Jews, east Slavs (idk if this is the correct way to refer to Russians, Belarussians, and Ukrainians, it’s what Wikipedia used), Roma, Poles, Serbs, gay and transgender people, disabled people, and I’m sure many more. Actually I don’t know why that wikipedia list doesn’t include any black populations, even though they were victims of genocide in Nazi germany as well.
Any death of a Nazi is cause for celebration. Anybody in any of the above groups who kills a Nazi can justify it in self defense. As well as socialists and communists though I don’t list them amongst the other genocide victims since political persecution isn’t technically genocide iirc.
There werent a lot of black people in germany itself, they did sterilize biracial germans, and most others simply died in basically „unorganized“ murder sprees, so nazi citizens took upon themselves to „get rid“ of non-whites knowing that the state wont persecute them.
Given how racialized communism/socialism was yeah they actually should be listed as part of genocide. Leftists were seen as viruses which pollute the nation’s ethnic body with their existence alone and twisted its victims into „jewishness“. In American fascist discourse (white) leftists are also racialized to an extent as they become „vessels“ for foreign/subhuman agents to destroy white america.
Jesus fucking Christ this post is about killing Hitler. The leader of the Nazi movement and head of the genocidal state.
Also this is ahistorical. Even at the height of fascism in Nazi Germany, in 1945 where the population had decreased and Nazi party membership was at its peak, 8 million people were members of the Nazi party and the total population in Germany was almost 70 million. Obviously it was possible to not be a member of the party. And this was after over a decade of indoctrination, youth programs, and mass murder on the part of Nazi party members from the top down to the rank and file. People did not have the freedom to identify as anything they wanted, but apart from those who had a literal or figurative gun held to their heads if they didn’t join, they didn’t have to be Nazis.
You have to draw the line when it comes to murder, on all sides, if you care about human life.
Yes, and if you care about human life you must draw the line somewhere after killing fascists. This is the obvious solution to the “paradox” of tolerance. If you want a society tolerant and safe for everyone possible, you must exclude those who make it intolerant and unsafe. And in this example, if you value human life, you must be willing to resist fascism by all means.
![[Cw: hitler getting a Nuremberg necktie] Absolute cinema. Edit: lib in the comments! Get'em before I ban'em](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/cf316ce1-e0d1-40c5-a200-9ebb40455d02.jpeg){kind=link}
this is funny, but let’s try to emphasize the ‘no killing’ idea irl
The oppressed have a right to defend themselves.
murder is not defense
You’re exactly right!
When people want to kill your for immutable characteristics of your person, it is self defense to kill them first. It is no longer “murder”.
there is a line between feelings and action. its not right to feel aggression towards people because of their identity, but its wrong and murder to kill anyone on purpose because of their beliefs.
I imagine its already obvious to people in this thread that its wrong to murder people based on their identity as well.
If their beliefs are “you are subhuman, we need to kill you” they are welcome to change their beliefs. Or I will kill them. That is self defense. Get the fuck outta here with your fake morality
Okay, oppressor.
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social murder is still murder and you’d have us lay down and die
Yeah see because oppressors get to systemically starve people, manufacture crisises to sow mental health issues, deop bastions of pollution in your neighbors so you die to cancers and other health issues that arise, impoverish you so that you can’t afford to see anyone that can help any conditions that they helped cause to prevent your untimely death. The only moral response is to get on your knees and beg like a dog and deny yourself even a scrap of dignity praying they don’t continue to murder you and your loved ones in the dozens of ways that are socially acceptable.
Because fighting back is mean and makes you just as bad, and begging for mercy is the only moral response to a boot on your neck.
Edit: Do you condemn the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the violence they committed against Nazis?
I don’t know all the historical details, but I completely agree that poverty, oppression, etc is also a form of violence. I just don’t see murder as the solution.
dang it I missed it, now I’ll never know what I could’ve dunked with
Killing someone who is in the act of trying to kill you is
So killing Hitler is bad? Even if he’s in a mecha suit and trying to kill you?
I won my game of WOlfenstein by debating Hitler in the marketplace of ideas
Amazing how that cheat code went hidden for 20+ years.
it would be extremely funny if this was the gg/suicide command
😂
wow, i never knew that game was so realistic!
now THAT would be an amazing video game
I mean videogames are one thing, lol. I’m saying not to murder humans whom are currently alive.
Murdering hitler would be an act of defense holy shit dude
there’s no killing of someone who died decades ago
I’m saying you shouldn’t murder people whom are currently alive
Yes, I understand, and that is fucking insane. If Hitler were alive you should definitely kill him.
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no, i d run and call for help
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Vote for the Democratic candidate.
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Good point, BJ should’ve just protested the Nazis in the police-marked protest zone with a sign featuring a zinger
to prevent the rise of Hitler and suppress the spread of fascism?
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Killing nazis is the ultimate act of defense, there is literally no act of violence more justified than ending the threat of omnicdal maniacs
there are many acts more justied, like respecting the life of your fellow human beings
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I mean of course genocidal ideology is not ok. The whole goal is to reduce violence and suffering for everyone.
And what do you think saving them from murder is?
What are you? A 12 year old hippie?
What do you think the army or the police are for? Legally mandated hugs?
Time to stop being a brunchie and grow up.
they exist in theory to prevent murder.
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I’m saying not to murder people who are alive, I’m not talking about people who died decades ago.
Killing nazis is self defence when their entire ideology is “let’s create a society where we get to kill or enslave all minorities”.
Given that nazis want me dead I will always advocate that all nazis be killed and anyone that opposes that I will assume is probably also a nazi.
assuming how people think and identify is not a justification for murder
Absolutely nobody is going to cry over dead nazis dipshit you are just making yourself look like a clown. Even the nazis don’t cry over dead nazis they all fucking laughed and joked behind Charlie Kirk’s back lmao
(Source.)
They didn’t give a shit about Otto personally they only cared about what it represents, the fascists losing. They have not a single shred of humanity. Swap any other person for his position and they’d be there all the same, any sadness is not for that person specifically but for their ideology.
They mourn losing, not death. They will spend as much death as is necessary and celebrate the death instead if they win. It is a cult of death and victory at all cost.
I wonder if your comment history shows you standing up for immigrants or Palestinians or trans kids like you stand up for literal Hitler.
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It does not
Damn what a surprise, who ever could’ve seen that one coming?
They’re more upset over this than slavery 🙃
I’m saying no human should murder any human.
If you consider these groups to be human, as I do, then yes I am standing up for them, specifically becaise they are human, and they should not be murdered.
And what do you do with the humans who are relentlessly murdering mass numbers of other humans regardless of what you say?
Hahaha how about no.
Especially involving fucking Hitler.
That would be great, but imagine being in a war and you say to your enemy “how about don’t kill me?” It would be great to stop violence, but lynching Hitler would be self defense. The victims of genocide are not murderers when they defend themselves.
I’m not talking about not-murdering dead people like Hitler, I’m talking about not-murdering people who are alive.
What do you suggest the current victims being murdered by living versions of Hitler do? Passively resist as they are shuffled to the gas chamber?
I mean its a good question about what the best things to do are, I’m not sure I have all the answers.
Hitler and the Nazis committed genocide against in no particular order: Jews, east Slavs (idk if this is the correct way to refer to Russians, Belarussians, and Ukrainians, it’s what Wikipedia used), Roma, Poles, Serbs, gay and transgender people, disabled people, and I’m sure many more. Actually I don’t know why that wikipedia list doesn’t include any black populations, even though they were victims of genocide in Nazi germany as well.
Any death of a Nazi is cause for celebration. Anybody in any of the above groups who kills a Nazi can justify it in self defense. As well as socialists and communists though I don’t list them amongst the other genocide victims since political persecution isn’t technically genocide iirc.
There werent a lot of black people in germany itself, they did sterilize biracial germans, and most others simply died in basically „unorganized“ murder sprees, so nazi citizens took upon themselves to „get rid“ of non-whites knowing that the state wont persecute them.
Given how racialized communism/socialism was yeah they actually should be listed as part of genocide. Leftists were seen as viruses which pollute the nation’s ethnic body with their existence alone and twisted its victims into „jewishness“. In American fascist discourse (white) leftists are also racialized to an extent as they become „vessels“ for foreign/subhuman agents to destroy white america.
OK so killing Nazi children and their parents is self-defense?
You realize many people in these social movements do not have the freedom to identify as anything they want?
You have to draw the line when it comes to murder, on all sides, if you care about human life.
Jesus fucking Christ this post is about killing Hitler. The leader of the Nazi movement and head of the genocidal state.
Also this is ahistorical. Even at the height of fascism in Nazi Germany, in 1945 where the population had decreased and Nazi party membership was at its peak, 8 million people were members of the Nazi party and the total population in Germany was almost 70 million. Obviously it was possible to not be a member of the party. And this was after over a decade of indoctrination, youth programs, and mass murder on the part of Nazi party members from the top down to the rank and file. People did not have the freedom to identify as anything they wanted, but apart from those who had a literal or figurative gun held to their heads if they didn’t join, they didn’t have to be Nazis.
Yes, and if you care about human life you must draw the line somewhere after killing fascists. This is the obvious solution to the “paradox” of tolerance. If you want a society tolerant and safe for everyone possible, you must exclude those who make it intolerant and unsafe. And in this example, if you value human life, you must be willing to resist fascism by all means.
There’s more than I can respond to here, but I just want to say that I agree with most of this.
I hope there can be more insightful conversations like this on the internet in general.
if you care about human life, you need to make sure every nazi can’t hurt anyone else ever again
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no.
Yes.
Life should be a utopia where only good things ever happen, yes. Glad that we agree.
ha yeah