I expect to see the same reaction from you guys when they ban wargames normalizing and encouraging unlimited genocide.
Games Workshop is like 40% of the UK economy, sadly they will never ban the plastic army men.
unlimited genocide
Guys, an evil Bougieoise state having a moral panic about a sex kink to appease it’s rabidly reactionary honkey population is actually good thing!! :D
if it wasnt coming out of terf island id probably care more
None of this censorship effort is being directed against medical misinformation or reactionaries BTW. Compare this bourgeois moralism with Chinese censorship efforts. Even though their state censors go too far at times, at least they attack online misinformation and harmful shit.
To be fair, China bangs all pornography
There’s actually a really funny loophole/phenomena where China bans all outright sexual pornography, but it doesn’t ban the adjacent non sexual bondage erotica type videos and photos. So you can find videos of a “relationship drama where a woman is kidnapped by another woman and menaced” type thing that is super horny but never sexual. Then a funny subset is there are people who dress up as the police or PLA etc and do horny trials of spies/corrupt official etc. They pretend it’s a morality type play, but it’s just entirely horny. Then photos of these hit the Western internent and they get presented as proof of China’s secret purges. When it’s just a bunch of horny larpers and BDSM nerds.
China banning porn is like the single issue thing I don’t agree with the CPC on, but from what I gather it’s super easy to use a vpn in country and sidestep the firewall so it’s really whatever.
there’s also drugs for fun, but in both cases it’s fairly understandable why they arrived at their prohibitions. it isn’t religious moralizing.
there are also… creative sidesteps ive seen in some chinese works
I’ve never seen actual porn from China and now I’m curious.
im moreso talking about yuri stuff like GTB and please bully me miss villainess.
great taste btw
A comment above I made added some context
idk i haven’t read my kollontai yet but i kinda think the first act of a proletarian government should be to ban sex work. obviously if you’re making sex tapes not for survival it’s a little different but
That’s my point exactly. They have a blanket ban which makes much more sense than kink policing.
Although to be honest, I’m no expert on the Chinese legal code so I don’t want to make too many comments on their approach. I’ve seen much conflicting information.
China bangs all pornography
If Sigmund Freud were alive in 2025 he would love glide typing
The West (most of it at least) doesn’t care about misinformation or harmful content/hate speech, they even help promote it with shit like Radio Free Asia and Radio Free Cuba, and the millions of christian fascist missionaries they finance to travel around to world that spreads their hateful ideology and views to the Global South.
They just want to use the excuse of “banning pornography” to crackdown on LGBTQ+ media.
It wouldn’t even take much either, most of the tech platforms can reasonably detect hateful and shitty content. They could block it before anyone sees it, they just choose not to until it’s reported. Government could easily place a burden upon the operator to pre-emptively remove content just the same as they’re doing here with kink porn and they would enforce it.
Most tech platforms and western governments even promote reactionary content. A neutral no censorship approach would be an improvement over the current situation.
They’re banning the pornography but are they banning searching for the pornography?
Like, whatever man if they wanna try and stop it from existing by blocking it fine, they’ll fail. Are they gonna arrest me if I look up and find asphyxiation porn though? Am I going on a sex offenders register for viewing consensual adults doing consensual kink?
More important question than the poor hard done by pornography producers tbh. I don’t give a fuck about them particularly.
My general stance is that pornography and sex work contains a whole bunch of contradictions. There are harmful behaviors, practices and coercions that should be policed. But an overzealous bourgeois state having a moral panic will rarely fix these issues and often overcorrect into punishing innocent people and even victims, while absolving perpetrators. Ideally any change should be driven or with input by the workers and community.
Good. The industry is really dangerous for actors and unsafe practices in workplaces need to be regulated. I guess this is one of the things Hexbear doesn’t agree with the CPC
Probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but rare Keir Starmer W.
how about Mr Kid Starver fund sex education (and education in general) instead of mandating an ever expanding police presence in citizens personal lives
No
There’s a better way to do this, which is mandating that platforms add detailed, informative warnings to content that includes choking, but that doesn’t advance the UK government’s censorship agenda so they won’t do it.
Same. There’s a small list of kinks that are harmful and shouldn’t be promoted, this is one.ehh nevermind this was a bad take
I’ve dated a few people into sexual choking and usually you’re not ACTUALLY choking them, just squeezing their neck a bit. ACTUAL choking is considered a more hardcore kink that requires a lot of safety precautions, but most people into it just think it’s sexy to get their neck squeezed a bit.
fair
I would challenge you, and others in this chat on this. Choking has inherent risks which i obviously seek to mitigate in my own practice but I still enjoy getting choked. Is there any evidence choking is any more hazardous than, say, downhill skiing, tree climbing or drinking alcohol? Downhill skiing results in a significant number of maimings and severe injuries every year., as well as some deaths. Should we ban media promoting this objectively harmful activity? I guess I have two points. Firstly, people engage in hazardous activities for fun. That’s ok actually, and banning media which encourages or promotes any hazardous activity is an absurd standard. Promoting safety and risk mitigation is cool ofc. You won’t catch me discouraging my kid from climbing trees despite them being at a significantly higher risk than me and my partners when we choke each other. Secondly, I believe you are holding sex acts to a standard you wouldn’t hold other activities to in terms of what is harmful or acceptable. I would challenge you to consider where those views are coming from.
Fair point, I can’t honestly refute it. I was commenting “from the hip” without thinking through what I was saying.
I’m just dropping in here after 10 hours after reading literally 3 comments to say lol this seems like a weird ass struggle session where “reactionaries are against kink” but like uhhhh youse guys, the porn industry is profit driven and capitalist controlled and what it chooses to depict and the frequency of it isn’t “kink” and it seems like people are weirdly defending what’s widely seen, in any other context, to be a predatory industry that needs extreme reform if not outright abolition (as it exists under capitalism), as I’ve frequently seen it spoken of due to its inherent, abhorrent exploitative nature, because they see it as like some kind of attack on “kink” (spoken of as some sort of amorphous concept)
what the fuck’s wrong with y’all, dick cheney died today go fucking celebrate or something, christ
Unlike police strangulating antigenocide protesters?
Didn’t they ban face sitting porn and some other years ago?
Jesus what’s next banning blowjobs because it’s a choking hazard?!
They brought it back in 2019
Nature is healing
Banning sex purely because it leads to an increased rate of physical injuries.
Heavily armed cops at the door of the ER, checking to make sure no one is there because they shoved something up their ass
obligatory “got a loiciense for”
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Setting aside any safety issues (which I’m not qualified to talk about and you don’t mention), “I don’t want to see it” is a bad reason to support the state locking people up. If this is the metric by which we ban kinks, then the logical endpoint is banning depictions of pretty much any kink that exists, since by definition any given kink is something that appeals to a relatively small number of people.
Oh for god’s sake. Look, I’m all for end of the line thinking, but I don’t exactly think trying to weed out some of the more harmful and disgusting aspects of pornography is the same as banning all kinks from online porn. I don’t want to see a lot of things in my porn, which is why I don’t specifically watch them.
Legitimate question, how do we determine what is harmful and disgusting enough to lock someone up over? Because I’ve seen people say this about kinks ranging from furry to hypnosis to petplay to bondage. None of the people making these arguments ever seem to draw the same line as each other or apply any real standards of proof, it’s always just vibes based “well obviously this is harmful” type of shit which is not a good standard for subjecting people to state violence.
I’ll be completely honest I have no earthly idea how to legislate this. I completely get where you’re coming from, I do, and I’m not trying to quibble over that aspect. I don’t know where the line gets drawn in weeding out bad habits and one person’s kink vs. another’s. My basic point was attempting to weed out this specific trend, which is happening more and more and becoming more and more normalized, from specialized forms of kink adult entertainment. Maybe forcing everything with this in it to have a specialized label or warning? I don’t know, honestly. I do know that quite a few of the young men I interact with online and IRL think choking during sex is normal, and that is not a good thing.
debates about cowboy movies depicting hangings in :countdown:
I never found strangling to be particularly up my alley, and I get that it is introducing a lot of people to a potentially very harmful sexual practise without giving them the tools to actually do it. However fuck off Kid Harmer. Why is literally the only bit of state capacity you endorse getting into people’s bedrooms, looking at their junk or monitoring their porn? Fuck off.
Can’t see a titty but ai can coach young kids on how to take their lives, makes sense.
Just banning stuff basically never works and especially not for something like this thats overwhelmingly online and a lot of which is grey-market to begin with
Yeah. Even the “safe” way to do it is one of the most dangerous and “even done completely right, this can still just randomly kill someone[1]” kinks someone can engage in and it being mainstreamed into vanilla porn as just like a thing people spontaneously do is bad, but the solution would be like mandating warning labels with sex-positive education on how fucked this is on videos featuring real or simulated choking, not the UK’s usual “oh heavens a kink, I must send in the constables and retire to my fainting couch and pray to the depraved sex pest royals for salvation” shit.
Due to the risk of blood clots and stroke from stopping the movement of blood through the artery that’s entering the brain. It also probably causes minor brain damage every single time, even without a loss in consciousness, and as a result can cause neurological problems if that randomly happens to hit something important. ↩︎
I thought the citation would be a citation instead of you just saying it’s true :(
I just wanted to elaborate with a footnote without breaking the flow of what I was saying. Checking, the only thing I had saved that might have mentioned it 404ed, although I think that may have just been a resource on doing a blood choke without threatening the wind pipe. This is just general kink community knowledge though, like the risk of nerve/joint damage from poorly placed restraints or how blunt force impacts to the abdomen and particularly around the spine or kidneys are very dangerous.
But like, stopping blood from moving is bad and has a risk of making blood clots (this is why sitting for excessively long periods of time causes a risk of DVT, as blood pools in one’s legs more than it should), and cutting off oxygen to the brain is also extremely bad. The only bit that contradicts conventional knowledge is the more recent research that even brief reductions in blood flow to the brain cause brain damage that builds up over time in the same way that minor head impacts add up (another recent discovery, since before the assumption was just that serious concussions were bad but lighter impacts didn’t cause injuries).
The article in OP does mention and link studies about the brain damage risk though, I think.
I do not wish this to be true
