• Mark@lemmy.world
    51·
    2 days ago

    It’s no longer meant to be used by computer savvy people. It’s meant for consumers. Literally. People that just consume and do not produce or think.

    We are walking a different path now and need to say goodbye to windows and Microsoft.

  • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    4 days ago

    When I recently upgrade a hundred windows 10 machines to 11 the majority of the keyboard time to do this was disabling all that shit.

  • whoisearth@lemmy.ca
    231·
    4 days ago

    Am I the only person that still types “command” in the search? It’s windows who is typing “terminal”?

    Yes I know it’s a terminal, but it’s never been called that AFAIK. It’s always been the command prompt.

  • Clanket@lemmy.world
    21·
    3 days ago

    Had to use a W11 machine last week and this was one of the 1st things that annoyed the shit out of me. On W10 you start typing an app name and press enter and it opens. What the fuck are they at changing that. And don’t get me started on Outlook or Windows explorer.

    Fuck you Microsoft. I’m going to Linux as soon as possible

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      16·
      4 days ago

      That was when they broke it.

      I was working at MSFT when they rolled out Windows 8.

      Basically broke all internal workflows for a month or two.

      Then quickly had to re-enable the 7 UI they told even us employees did not exist in 8.

      They did some kind of hackjob, called that 8.1, and fast forward a decade, Windows 11 had, last time I checked at least 4 different ‘eras’ of UI schemes/frameworks, if you dig far enough into all the settings menus.

      I am not even joking when I say that people literally screamed at me when I used the word ‘refactor’ in a sentence, while on the MSFT campus.

      • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world
        7·
        4 days ago

        Windows 7 was the last OS I was excited to get.

        Im so glad that there a tangible exodus of non techie people moving away from whatever the fuckery MS is doing nowadays.

        • Zoot@reddthat.com
          1·
          3 days ago

          I was honestly filled with excitement getting bazzite, so simple, so easy, promised as “it just works”. Lo an behold I’m still excited and happy to use it, though after learning more about Cachy I think I’ll give myself some more excitement and compare the two.

    • Wispy2891@lemmy.world
      541·
      4 days ago

      Problem that powertoys are becoming bloated too. Before switching my 8gb RAM laptop to Linux, it was constantly swapping memory. I investigated and it was powertoys slowly eating everything. The two almost identical launchers, 300mb each. The eyedropper that you gonna use once a month 200mb, the help that comes out when you long press the windows key, another 80mb. Same for the screen ruler. Then the accent helper, and so on. My 8gb laptop only had 1 GB free Memory After a clean boot

      • ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        17·
        4 days ago

        AFAIK there was a memory leak in PowerToys. But it’s definitely ballooned in scope since it was first released. I suppose turning off the parts you don’t need would help but it really should still be more efficient. Doesn’t help that the Microsoft Department of AI Department seems to have started sinking its teeth into it as of the last few updates.

      • ackthxbye@feddit.org
        11·
        4 days ago

        The last time I used the power toys was on W10 but can’t you choose which components you install? Surely you can disable the autostart for the ones you are not using?

      • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
        93·
        4 days ago

        Isn’t that the entire point of swap? If you’re only gonna access that memory once a month what’s wrong with it swapping to disk but becoming ready within seconds when you go to use it?

        • Wispy2891@lemmy.world
          3·
          4 days ago

          Yes but when it’s too much… The poor SSD in my 8gb laptop was constantly at 65°C because of all the activity. And it seems without reason. I would hear the warning sounds from crystaldiskinfo when “idle” in another room

        • aesthelete@lemmy.world
          261·
          4 days ago

          Dude, Windows swaps like it’s its job.

          The job of swap is to be used after the RAM is full or is about to be full. It’s not to be used instead of the RAM.

          I bet SSDs were a huge freaking performance boost for Windows generally speaking because of the way it swaps.

          • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
            9·
            4 days ago

            That’s not true. Linux by default also moves stuff to swap way earlier. Swap is not just a fallback when you run out of RAM. That is why I think Zram is the best. My system can swap as much as it wants to.

            • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
              8·
              4 days ago

              Linux swappiness is at least easier to configure + I haven’t really noticed it happen on anything with enough RAM to do the job it’s doing.

              My 8 GB Thinkpad will swap quite a bit running PyCharm, docker and Firefox on KDE Plasma. My 32 GB desktop has near-zero swap usage and it has even more shit running at all

            • [object Object]@lemmy.world
              2·
              3 days ago

              I’m currently dealing with an issue where on freshly installed Mint, after some time of me being away from the machine, the entire system and apps seem to have moved to the swap, which is on an hdd — so things slow down to a crawl and it takes like ten minutes to shake them back to life.

              Edit: after some more troubleshooting, I’m not sure swap is the issue, but it’s still likely.

                • [object Object]@lemmy.world
                  4·
                  4 days ago

                  That’s cool, but I’m more concerned as to why this happens while I’m away, when there’s no need for everything getting swapped while I’m at the machine.

    • aesthelete@lemmy.world
      14·
      4 days ago

      Lol, I remember power toys from freaking tucows.com (it used to be a software repository of sorts) in the nineties.

      Windows and power toys, two relics from the ICQ age.

  • X@piefed.worldEnglish
    21·
    4 days ago

    cmd+space iTe-

    enter

    That’ll do for now, I reckon.

    • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
      6·
      3 days ago

      Yeah that’s my plan. My processor won’t even support Windows 11, so that’s not an option. (I used to think it was a TPM2.0 issue, but checked more recently and it’s not. They just even more arbitrarily decided my processor is too old, while also claiming Windows 11 has the same or lower overhead than 10!) I’m also not far away from needing a hard drive, RAM, and GPU upgrade. So I figure some time reasonably soon I’ll build a new PC. That one won’t be getting Windows on it, unless I discover a game or something that I can’t run on Linux.

      • justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        4·
        3 days ago

        I haven’t met a single game yet that isn’t running, but I’m not into AAA games anyway. Worst case you just resort to dual boot (don’t forget, always install Windows first) or VM.

        • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
          2·
          3 days ago

          Amusingly, just a couple of minutes after posting that comment, I went to the aoe2 Reddit to check if I was missing some details about a recent patch (for details related to this Lemmy post I had just made). And one of the first posts I saw was this one complaining about that very-much-not-AAA game failing to run recently.

          The games in that franchise are like 90% of my gaming tbh. They all get great scores on ProtonDB, but the use a kinda weird hybrid of your Steam account and your Microsoft/Xbox account for syncing player details, and one of my concerns is the Xbox account might not work correctly.

          Worst case you just resort to dual boot (don’t forget, always install Windows first)

          Yeah, dual booting was definitely the plan. I didn’t know you need to install Windows first though, that’s…disappointing. And frustrating. My plan was to install Linux, stick with that for as long as I can, and if I later decide I need Windows for something, install it then.

          or VM

          Could be a good option. Dunno how smoothly these games would run in a VM, but worth a shot, and much better than needing to dual boot, if it does work smoothly.

          • dustyData@lemmy.world
            51·
            3 days ago

            Don’t dual boot. Instead, invest in two drives and dedicate each to each os fully. Way less headache and far more control. Easier to keep windows oblivious of Linux existence so it doesn’t fuck with it.

            • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works
              51·
              2 days ago

              That’s also “dual booting”. The phrase never referred specifically to having two OSes on the same drive, just on the same machine.

            • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
              2·
              2 days ago

              Isn’t that still dual booting? Unless you have two PCs (even if you somehow rigged both PCs up in the same case with separate power buttons), you need a bootloader to choose which drive to boot off of. And unless I’m mistaken, two drives is not going to look notably different to the bootloader from two partitions on the same drive, is it?

              • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 days ago

                There’s a technical difference. On a single drive, GRUB (or any other modern bootloader) can handle multiple OSs that coexist on the same boot chain. Windows doesn’t like this of course. On different drives it is the UEFI that chooses which drive boot sector to boot from, regardless of which bootloader it has. Here, Windows doesn’t get a say, and it is less likely to break.

                Historically, the first case was called dual booting but the second is not called that. If the same result is achieved, maybe the distinction doesn’t matter anymore. However, in the olden days, there was only one disk allowed to have a master boot partition, the Device 0 in an IDE bus. Consumer PCs were limited to two IDE busses, with a device 0 and device 1 each, only one hard drive could have an MBR on the primary IDE. Now a days it is much easier to have multi-disk boot capabilities in hardware thanks to EFI system partitions (since mid 2000s), but it used to be necessary to fiddle with an MBR even if the OSs were on different disks.

                It is an important distinction because dual booting, as a concept, almost always exists in relation with Windows. If you have two, three or more Linux OSs running on the same disk drive, it is not called dual booting, it is just booting and choosing your distro, as bootloaders like GRUB are multi-booting by default.

                So, yeah, maybe it is dual-booting as well, but it is not what the original term used to mean. It is just Windows wasting space in a quarantined disk, which I still prefer.

          • mushroommunk@lemmy.today
            3·
            2 days ago

            I can’t comment on aoe2 specifically but Halo Infinite (through steam) and Minecraft both use my Microsoft account just fine on Linux Mint.

          • justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            5·
            3 days ago

            Is not strictly necessary to install Windows first, it just makes it easier, because Linux will setup the bootloader for you. Windows in the others hand tends to nuke everything that was installed prior, so you would at least need to repair the bootloader. To be completely safe you can just disconnect the Linux drive, while Windows is installing. Definitely a path, if you want to go for Linux only for now.

            VM is a good method once it is set up, but needs more initial tinkering with the passthrough, depending on your hardware. I don’t know how those Kernel level anti cheat things work. Otherwise the game shouldn’t even know it’s in a vm.

            • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              I don’t know how those Kernel level anti cheat things work

              Not something that matters to me anyway. I don’t own any such games currently, and don’t intend to change that.

              But thanks for the tips re the bootloader!

              • justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                1·
                16 hours ago

                Btw, if you want someone that just works out of the box for games, have a look at bazzite. Steam and drivers installed right away. I run it happily for some time now.

    • Zink@programming.dev
      111·
      3 days ago

      Check out Mint. It’s based on Ubuntu but has Canonical’s controversial stuff removed, plus an added layer of polish.

      • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        It’s so weird, because Ubuntu used to be the beginner distro. I started out on it and was hooked. The level of polish and out-of-the-box readiness was really welcoming to my old mac brain.

        Ubuntu would actually still be a good beginner distro imo if it wasn’t for the way they implemented their custom stuff. Even the distinction between apt and snaps is enough to scare away beginners.

        • thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          yeah, it started out as THE beginner distro, but as other distros got better for beginners, it didn’t, and instead canonical did weird bs

      • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        What version of Firefox does it install? I tried Ubuntu, but the Snaps are having real trouble with my N150 CPU in the mini PC I bought. Cannot do hardware video decoding at all, despite the CPU being more than capable of it.

        • Zink@programming.dev
          5·
          3 days ago

          Well, the Snaps are one of the things they took out. Flatpaks are enabled in the software manager by default though.

          I believe everything that comes preinstalled, including Firefox and LibreOffice and such, is installed the traditional way as if you did “apt install firefox.”

          I installed LibreWolf and like it. It’s just firefox with telemetry removed and some privacy hardening out of the box.

      • Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 days ago

        I love Mint. I’m a Linux noob but took the plunge this year and installed it. Its not 100% plain sailing but it is close enough and worth it for the simple unintrusive OS interface that Microsoft has obliterated.

  • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
    16·
    3 days ago

    This is why I have a custom shell on my work PC. This is the kind of shit search interface where the local hits pop up quickly after you typed but then jump away to display irrelevant guff like this just as you’re clicking on what you wanted.