I’ve seen alot of calls for violence in America. Whether it be directed at the president or Federal officers, many people are advocating for an escalation in response to the current situation.
And believe me, I do understand. what I see happening in America is horrifying. But all I am imploring is to really think about what your asking for. Because you can’t put the genie in the bottle once you’ve left it out.
If you’re really gung-ho about it, go and ask a Veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan about it and see what they think. If anyone will know about it they will.
I am going to link a YouTube Playlist. Its the Associated Press Archives of the Bosnian-Serbian war. Because THAT is what will happen if wide scale violence breaks out. Except what will happen in America will be a hundred times worse.
The Bosnian war was pretty much broken up along ethnic lines. “Well it’s going to be Conservative VS. Liberal” you say. Except it won’t be. It will be anyone having a grudge against someone going after them.
ALOT of personal animosity will be taken out in the first few weeks I feel.
And I think the Seige of Sarajavo will be writ large in American cities across the country. Imagine having to dodge sniper fire on your way to get to your job at Wendy’s.
Because that’s the other thing no one is thinking about. You are still going to have to make a living while this is all going to be happening. And the cost of everything will skyrocket. Shipping will probably have to be escorted from place to place because people will be stealing or even blockading locations because they’re “damn dirty libs” or “Fascist Conservatives” Fresh produce will become a thing of the past.
Canada and Mexico will close their borders due to all the refugee’s trying to cross. so if you thinking of doing it, do it the moment everything pops off because otherwise you won’t get in.
Basically Civil war is going to the worst thing to happen in America in a long time. and the only good that comes out of it will be Americans will finally have first hand experience of real war torn violence. And maybe that will hopefully last for another two hundred years or so.
If America even survives the outcome that is.
One thing you saw in places like Syria and the Balkans was a lot of revenge murders and groups that were essentially gangs terrorizing and enslaving towns.
I remember reading how people in the old Yugoslavia talked about how people they’d lived next to for generations suddenly turned on them. The same in Rwanda where groups were slaughtered en masse. People were packed into churches and the buildings set on fire, etc.
Most of the voices calling for v10l3nt r3v01ut10n in the states are Russian bots or MAGA provocateurs.
Well, Trump and MAGA have ensured that the US is cooked anyway no matter what happens
Man, I don’t even own a gun.
They solve few problems well. They exacerbate a great many and even create a few of their own.
At a very low-level of practicality for civil unrest and a kakistocracy run amok, a man with a gun is on average less than useless. A well trained militia, a community who are disciplined, trained and organized with competent leadership, people with guns start to have a purpose. The kicker is a community of trained and organized people with competent leadership are almost as effective without guns with a little ingenuity.
Sorry, this didn’t give me much hope. I live in the middle of a red area. “Competent leadership” is essentially science fiction. Of course, I don’t see much hope either way.
The first U.S. civil war never really ended, it has just gone into a long “cold” phase.
Those times are ending.
I could’ve ended if they hadn’t given so many concessions to the slavers, but they let that shit fester and grow and now the whole country is the fucking nazi bar.
Sherman stopped too soon.
Great post.
However, from a European perspective all this has been a long time coming, ignoring all warnings and with open arms (pun not intended).
So for the US I don’t see how it can be fixed without going through this.
I’m sorry.
As another European, I don’t think it’s as bad as it seems. I personally don’t think most republicans are fundamentally fascist, more so convinced that Trump is playing 5d chess.
If you where to ask most Republicans if they supported democracy, right of law and freedom for all, they would say that they support it.
However, due to the tribalism of current American politics and the cult of personality around Trump, they aren’t seeing how that is being infringed.
Trump is almost 80, and will die eventually. With him will his cult of personality die. Some hardliners will probably latch on to Trump Jr or Vance, but most republicans will probably quietly switch over to supporting some more moderate dumb fuck (think Mitt Romney).
Around 84% of Republicans approve of what is clearly kidnapping murder and open fascism as we are threatening half the world, planning on invading a NATO country, and stealing oil from Venezuela. Conservatives are absolutely our enemy.
It deosnt matter if trump dies, the Republican party has pretty mich made up their mind that there won’t be an election in the future.
They don’t care about public opinion anymore judging by everything they did in 2025 and all the rich oligarchs in america are either part of their club or are pressured to comply.
And with the epstine files pretty much out now the higher ranking Republicans are too scared to five up their power with the possibility of them getting prosecuted afterwards.
Even without Trump, the only way to get rid of the fascists will be to forcefully remove them which will end in a civil war.
Vance will be worse; in general the removal of Trump won’t make it better.
I dont have any words to add and hope you’re right.
Hard disagree. The Republican politicians are not leading the masses to dark places, the masses are pulling the politicians to greater extremes and the politicians are holding them back, because they have a greater understanding of the consequences than the average voter.
Ask the average Republican if undocumented I’m immigrants should all be deported, and they will tell you yes. That’s 14 million people, and the only way to accomplish it is to build up ICE to 5 times it’s current size, and do what they are doing in Minneapolis in every city in America. What they want requires fascism.
Ask them if abortion is murder and they will say yes. They don’t care about the women that are dying from pregnancy complications, the children that will be orphaned, the families that have been torn apart because the treatment for many conditions is abortion of the pregnancy and if it’s murder you can get treatment.
Ask them if environmental regulations are too stiff and should be rolled back so the economy can grow, and they will say yes, they don’t care about the ecosystems that will be lost forever, the diseases that people will suffer from pollution, or the rights of communities to avoid those harms.
What holds them back is that individuals don’t all want the same things, so the party pulls in different directions, because some people understand the disaterous implications of a specific policy, so they don’t support that particular cruelty, but they don’t question the wider ideology, and the basic ideology is a death cult.
What you get over time is generational frustration that the corrupt politicians refuse to do what is necessary and support for more and more extreme individuals in office. People that hatch plans like the federalist society, to corrupt the courts, and project 2025, to destroy the administrative state and consolidate power into the executive, and congresspeople who will support the descent into violent fascism, because that’s what is required to give the masses what they demand.
Democracy slows down the process, but the American voters will get the cruelty, suffering, and death they demand eventually.
People that hatch plans like the federalist society, to corrupt the courts, and project 2025, to destroy the administrative state and consolidate power into the executive, and congresspeople who will support the descent into violent fascism
That’s where we are really fucked. So many of the project 2025 goals have been accomplished. Having a partisan supreme court, and this bare minimum majority of congress, has allowed them to change our course forever more.
Right, but that all comes from upstream, with Conservative media (and politicians) focusing all their attention on “wedge issues” to distract their base from their ruinous fiscal policies, gutting the government services their base would benefit from to steal more wealth for the ultra wealthy.
Those outlets would not publish that propaganda if it did not sell. It’s not that there is no interplay, but the media figures pushing the fascist propaganda have no incentive to stop and cannot be forced to stop without abandoning core principles of our society (freedom of speech)
Executing, exiling, or dispropriating enough billionaires would make a difference, but again, you need fascist tools to stop the decent into fascism. There is a significant segment of our society that wants the violence. Not a majority, but enough that I see no peaceful way through. The violence will come for us eventually.
Again, that’s backwards. The billionaire bought the media companies so they can push their message and shift public discourse.
It’s not about profitability; they target engagement/profitability by making everything rage bait.
Sure, the billionaires are the ultimate problem. They are not the office holders.
The most violent civilization known to man needs more violence to solve its problems.
It’s too late, it’s already starting to happen. People are already having to dodge ice just while going to work, Charlie Kirk literal got sniped while at work.
It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
Kirk was preaching ugly evil shit I don’t think you can compare him getting sniped to normal people getting hurt
I’m not saying he was a good person, but the logic of “they deserve it” applies on both sides, even if one side is disproportionate to the other.
Kirk deserved it for the horrid shit he said and the vitriol he spread, I can absolutely see some right winger saying someone else deserves it for living in the dem part of town or looking a bit gay.
Just a prime opportunity to correct Operation Paperclip and finish what our grandparents thought they did.
Yeah no shit. Who thinks that?
The half of Lemmy who are like “Why you guys no shooting?” I mean, to say something so stupid, one must think war and battle are just a walk in the park.
From what I can tell, those seem to be non-USians saying things like that.
It’s because USA touts that guns are needed to fight an over reaching government, except its clear that the fascist rising is going unchecked. So they are taking a jab at the fallacy of guns are needed against a government.
Good morning fellow nose breather!
Good evening
So everyone will be killing everyone, but you still think people are going to go to their jobs to pay bills?
If a civil war happens, no one is going to work. Anyone that does will get gunned down.
If anything pops off, my first priority is protecting my family, which means staying home and barricading and waiting a few days before leaving to do recon.
From there either we’ll know if police, national guard, and/or the military will be involved. What states are doing what, and you’ll have local families/communities forming.
Money won’t be a thing, no one is going to work.
Which is why a civil war won’t happen, it’ll crash the economy globally and the 1% can’t have that, so all of this is moot.
globally
It’ll really hurt, but we’ll get by.
It’s a better option for us than the US turning on us.
The world economy collapsed because Americans stopped paying their mortgages.
So yeah, I’m sure nothing will come from domestic terrorists bombing corporate headquarters looking for children in dungeons and tens of millions of Americans dying.
At least our land will be cheap for countries to buy later on
“Crash the economy™” means the global financial markets, especially stocks.
So yeah, production will go on, but when your imperialist daddy commits suicide (since this is what’s described, not a mere power grab internal war) there are consequences to the abrupt end of the system, eg savings wiped out, large scale logistics & shipping, consumer preference change, etc.
Which is why a civil war won’t happen, it’ll crash the economy globally and the 1% can’t have that, so all of this is moot.
I feel like Donald would mysteriously hang himself and Vance would be full appeasement mode real fast.
That said, we also thought Russia wouldn’t invade Ukraine after the 2014 (iirc) treaty and well…
Croatia was at war for 4 years, my dad still worked, my aunt worked in school, we went to school, we had refugees from the war zone and Bosnia. Croatia is tiny and the war was contained to 1/3 of the country. Where the combat is you have nothing, 20 km away people still do normal things. Even in Ukraine things function “normally” outside the combat zone. In US it might be a different game. The country is enormous and it’s not divided by ethnicities, the fight is about gaining power, not land. It will go more like a coup thing. Couple of weeks while things go crazy and waiting which way the army will turn. Than it will be over.
Not everyone’s gonna start killing everyone. People will still go to work, money will still be a thing. Barricading your home will be pointless - this isn’t a zombie apocalypse we’re talking about.
It’ll look more like terrorism than actual war. Assassinations, bombings, and mass shootings driven by politics will get way more common, but for most people, life will more or less stay the same.
People are still going to work in Ukraine, they are still paying bill and still need money for that.
Ukraine isn’t a civil war.
And OP is describing the purge one minute and then a normal Monday morning the next.
Again, no one in the US would be going to work if it was going purge style once the shit hits the fan. I have everyone of all walks of life around me(Dems, conservatives, white people, Mexicans, Asians, etc). Someone, somewhere, will be crazy enough to start driving around in giant pickup trucks and start shooting anyone that is “too brown”.
I’m not risking that happening to me or my family. I will force everyone to be home for a week before things calm down.
We’ve already had domestic terrorists hit our power grids and Jan 6th happened. You don’t think once a “civil war” happens things aren’t going to get worse immediately?
“But everyone has bills to pay” cool, and there are more guns than people in the US, something Ukraine didn’t have to deal with because they’re a sane country.
Peaky easy obvious counterexamples!
first thing would probably thinking of a way to flee to canada or mexico as “illegal alien”, or lucky enough migrating to another country. top scientists, doctors have the option of fleeing more easily through other means, they usually go first.
You have a idea of war informed by Hollywood and WW2 documentaries, war is both more normal and more horrifying than you think.
I’ve heard someone say that war is actually mostly really boring with minutes of intense action sprinkled here and there.
In real life when you get hit, hiding behind cover does not regenerate your health and picking up health packs or eating food does nothing.
Also most war will be 99% boredom and 1% sheer terror.
of course not, you gotta eat a first aid kit
Then apply crushed ramen and super glue into the open wound
APPLY PRESSURE TO THAT WOUND PRIVATE OR WE WILL LOSE YOU!!!
“A lot” is two words.
YSK: The average citizen doesn’t have much control over the cork in the bottle.
This administration is repeatedly and consistently provoking people. Randomly shooting people in the face, and talking about sending the military to Minnesota is going to cause things to boil over if the other people we elected don’t step in and force them to cool down.
you dont get battle lines until there’s been a few years of mass killings on both sides, before Regime Loyalist and Opposition “states” or lines solidify.
