LMFAO. This meme makes me second-hand embarrassed for Europeans. For 3 reasons.
First, it is politically illiterate and whoever made it is clearly not a serious person.
Second, pretending you’re in Star Wars? Really?
Third, you have not and will never be the ‘good guys’ in any sort of fight, as long as you are a union of capitalist nations still feasting off of the stolen wealth of the global south.
Except Europe isnt as strong as obi
Except the EU can’t compete industrially or millitarily with any of those 3. The EU needs to correctly identify who to partner with for its own survival, and it’s clear that the PRC is the best option, Russia being a second choice. The US Empire is dying, and the EU imperialists are either going to fall down with it or be forced into cooperation with those it has convinced itself are existential enemies.
Maybe there’d be some hope for that to happen if everyone in the EU hadn’t been conditioned to be racist as fuck against anyone to the east or south for centuries
They have to do something, which is why political instability is on the rise.
Of all choices, Russia is the most dangerous right behind the US.
I wouldn’t say “right behind,” Europe was very happy to buy Russian energy for decades until the US sabotaged Nord Stream. The US Empire is by far the most dangerous.
Sabotage as in actually sabotaging the physical pipeline or just salting the contracts by lowering the demands for the goods?
Bit of A, bit of B.
A bad. Doesnt matter who does to whom
B 50/50 on that.
Russia has literally nothing of value to offer us.
Vast industrial capacity and tons of oil and natural gas, both of which the EU needs but does not have.
Only major industries Russia has are weapons (we sell those, they are a competitor) and fossil fules (we are in the process of not using them)
Russia has quite a bit more than just those areas, but importantly, the EU still needs fossil fuels. It could sidestep this by purchasing large amounts of solar from China, or making or buying nuclear reactors, but it can’t do so overnight. Moreover, the EU is heavily financialized, and industry is hurting. Much of what the EU consumes is made overseas, or comes from overseas resource extraction, especially from European neocolonies in Africa. Imperialism is decaying, so this puts the EU in an even tighter spot, hence political instability and a strong rightward shift.
making or buying nuclear reactors
The country that export most of nuclear build capacity, is by far Russia, with over 20 reactors in construction abroad. So while EU countries does have know-how to build them too, i bet it’s nowhere near the required scale (also China builds like 30 reactors, but in China)
Definitely, that’s what I was implying with that but I probably should have spelled it out, rather than expecting them to realize nuclear depends likely on Russia.
I’m not sure what you are trying to say. Russia has way less industrial output than the EU. Russia is more imperialist than the EU. EU is shifting right, but is still wayyy to the left of Russia. Saying we should align with Russia is like saying we should align with turkey. Or Saudi Arabia.
Russia is the 4th largest economy by GDP, adjusted to PPP, and isn’t as heavily reliant on finance capital as the EU is. Moreover, Russia has no colonies nor neocolonies, and doesn’t run their economy based on export of capital and plundering the surplus value of the global south, like the US and EU do.
Imperialism is characterized by the following:
-The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.
-The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.
-The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.
-The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels) and multinational corporations.
-The domination and exploitation of other countries by militaristic imperialist powers, now through neocolonialism.
-The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.
The global north, Europe included, uses this export of capital to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. It also engages in unequal exchange, where the global south is prevented from moving up the value chain in production, allowing the global north to charge monopoly prices for commodities produced in the same labor hours. Russia does not do this, it has a paltry sum of the world’s finance capital, and this is proven by just how low their nominal GDP is compared to it’s GDP adjusted to PPP.
The Russian Federation and the EU are both right-wing, but the EU is actively imperialist. The fact that progressive nationalist movements like the Alliance of Sahel States are kicking out European plunderers, and the PRC is presenting as an alternative to western domination, is exactly why conditions within the imperialist west are declining and causing a shift to the far-right. Austerity politics are enforced due to capitalist decay.
Russia is part of the global north. Most of Russia’s territory is made up of colonies. You can not be pro Russia and anti imperialist at the same time.
I think long term a post-Putin Russia should really just join the EU (along with Ukraine). Russia has always been European. The cold war fuelled by the US is over. There’s no reason to divide Europe ethnographically when with open borders, free trade and unified economic policies everyone can do what they want.
The only thing the EU should realize faster is unified wages across regions and some sort of control over private property/housing, else western capitalists will keep buying land and homes creating serfdom.
Russia is more imperialist than the EU
Tell that to roughly a quarter of the entire continent of Africa that lived or still lives under French imperial control
we are in the process of not using them
not anywhere close to fast nor soon enough to help the situation.
I disagree. Renewables have been growing exponentially for years. Its already making an impact in some countries, sadly way less in others.
Mostly due to the PRC and its incredible increase in solar and other renewables.
Yeah, good.
Instead of taking the opportunity to vastly expand renewables and make a green transition Europe is buying LNG from the US for a way higher price than Russia offered. The green transition has been watered down on European level as well (I wouldn’t call it exponential growth)
The EU has a much larger GDP and a significantly higher defense budget than Russia (about 457 billion USD vs. 146 billion USD in 2024). While its industry is more fragmented, it can be rapidly scaled up when needed as demonstrated in Ukraine. and the comparison to russia also lacks because the EU doesn’t consider the current situation as active war. However, compared to the US and China, the EU still lags behind their global projections. Although Russia has increased its arms production in recent years, it is suffering from sanctions and material losses in the Ukraine conflict, which limits its military capabilities. Overall, the EU is economically and industrially stronger than Russia, but still trails the US and China in a global comparison. Since there is a noticable shift of power in the world the EU started to focus more on China and India as trading partners and leave the US who traditionally were European allies.
The EU has a much larger GDP and a significantly higher defense budget than Russia (about 457 billion USD vs. 146 billion USD in 2024)
The EU is far more financialized, in terms of gross industrial output the EU is behind the Russian Federation. This is a holdover from their soviet legacy. In terms of real production, Russia succeeds, despite lower GDP, because money stretches much farther in Russia. 1 million USD worth of Russian goods gets you a lot more than 1 million USD in European goods, to make things simple.
Europe could make up the gap, but it is so dominated by finance capital and energy dependency that this makes it incredibly difficult without adopting socialism.
Overall, the EU is economically and industrially stronger than Russia
This is false. The EU is financially stronger than Russia, largely thanks to modern neoimperialism in Africa, but industrially is far behind.
Since there is a noticable shift of power in the world the EU started to focus more on China and India as trading partners and leave the US who traditionally were European allies.
Correct, the EU is being demoted from imperial vassal to periphery, and since it would take devastating losses in open conflict with a major power without US backing it has to seek other allies.
Ridiculous Russia have zero people, they’ve lost 2m in manpower. They have a lot of land but in every measure they are less powerful than the EU. They are economically the size of Spain. The EU contains Spain and it’s not even the largest economy. Russian propaganda much?
How many times has Russia supposedly been about to collapse? You’d think after the dozenth, people would learn
Russia has collapsed a bunch in history. Their conquering isolationist history is a failed strategy.
“In history” lol ok, now how many times has the Russian Federation been predicted to collapse in Ukraine, and how many times has it.
Their
Who is they? Everyone in Russia? Who are you talking about, you weird nationalist?
You’re confusing finances with raw industrial power. An 8 USD big mac in Switzerland isn’t 3 times better than a 2.54 USD big mac in Indonesia.
The Netherlands colonized half the world despite being smaller than Mongolia - Venice was able to stand up to countries like the ottoman empire despite being only a single city.
Financialization isn’t everything, but it’s not nothing either.
Imperialism is characterized by the following:
-The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.
-The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.
-The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.
-The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels) and multinational corporations.
-The domination and exploitation of other countries by militaristic imperialist powers, now through neocolonialism.
-The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.
The global north, Europe included, uses this export of capital to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. It also engages in unequal exchange, where the global south is prevented from moving up the value chain in production, allowing the global north to charge monopoly prices for commodities produced in the same labor hours.
The point I am making isn’t simply about land conquering, but an ongoing process of shifting surplus value and resources from the imperialized to the core. Finance capital is the primary mechanism by which this functions.
What the EU doesn’t have, at least in the short/medium term, is energy. That industrial base needs (a lot of) energy. Russia was able to supply this cheaply, while the US is charging an arm and a leg. Of course in the long run, renewables can help keep that energy production local, but that means developing closer ties with China. And right now the US is trying to throw up walls to prevent other countries from accessing China’s renewable energy products.
The EU does indeed have a significantly larger potential industrial base than Russia. But that also requires coordination, intentional action, and long-term planning. So far the EU hasn’t seemed capable of doing these things but who knows, maybe Trump has been the wake-up call Europeans need.
I also hope Trump has shown Europeans that the US is the bigger threat to European sovereignty than Russia. And this will be true after Trump is gone, it’s not a one-time thing (Biden did things hostile to European sovereignty but that goes under the radar because he was more supportive of Ukraine). But yeah, if the EU makes some coordinated effort to build military defenses, they shouldn’t have a problem protecting their sovereignty against Russia. And that assumes Russia wants to try and military conquer parts of Europe, which I do not believe but even if I did, a more robust, domestic EU military would be enough to prevent an attack even if that was Russia’s intention.
The US is Europe’s fake friend - with or without Trump - and it frustrates me to no end that Europeans can’t see it.
What’s deeply ironic about this situation is that one of the main reasons the EU has remained distant to Russia is the US. Cold war was between US and Russia. More recently US opposed Nord Stream 2. Now US suddenly is friendly to Russia and EU are running around like headless chicken because they made it their own identity to be hostile to Russia. There haven been people suggesting that while indeed Russia is antidemocratic etc. one can still try to carefully cooperate, because it happens to be a neighbor and it makes sense strategically. Who knows, maybe in the process one could positively influence Russia, it doesn’t have to be always the other way. But these people are instantly called Russian assets and demonized. And it’s not like this kind of reasoning was the real issue anyway, as in the meantime you see western democracies happily collaborating e.g. with Turkey or Saudi Arabia. The Ukraine war complicates things though. Aside of the humanitarian and economic tragedy, it’s a diplomatic disaster, as it makes Russia look quite hostile to Europe, whether they actually „want to continue“ beyond Ukraine or not.
Surprise 😂
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Should be Maul vs Palpatine and would still be a very stupid meme
Euros love to imagine something they are not
yeah always funny. The main achivement they got was grpd and ubs c on iphone. You dont build an empire base on thoses.
Ah Europe famous for
colonization, slave trade, racism, the literal nazisbeing the good guys?Y’all I’m an American and fuck my country and fuck the current Russian state but fuck Europe even more tbh.
Also what are you hating on China for? Guess that’s European racism again.
I mean double and triple fuck Europe but fuck them more than the literal scourge plaguing the whole planet? Doubtful
I could see a reasonable take that the USA is worse. Especially if you’re just thinking about current events. As long as you’re saying fuck Europe too I consider us on the same side.
Agree
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Ok you can same the about people.
But say you and I and 3 other people are in a room.
We find out one is an active serial killer another a serial rapist and you find out another had stolen $1000 from his own mother for a drug problem. If I make a judgment like " hey dude fuck that serial rapist and that serial killer. " And your response is “you have to accept that everybody does bad stuff”. That would be just as asinine. Just because nobody’s perfect and no institution is perfect. Does not mean you cannot make judgments about which one is morally better than another.
The only thing Europe did wrong was causing the fall of Rome. Everything that came after that was just a consequence.
Rise again, Italy, and claim what is yours. The world.
You gotta use the tone indicators haha
I would think this is not satire if we were in Reddit.
Famously good Rome that never did anything bad.
What, if the US with their genocidial history can play world police…
Yeah can’t let go of the past, im still mad about the bacteria that killed my ancestor before we evolved out of the ocean
What a brain dead and privileged take. Exactly how long are people allowed to be upset for? Would you say that shit to a holocaust survivor.
White people smh
Ironic I’m not white, I’m Australian Aboriginal, every year on the 25th of January people getting shitty about the invasion of Australia.
I think get over it my grandmother was stolen generation but I’m not beating my chest about it
Lastly saying “White people smh” is still racist.
Imagine someone said black people smh because of their opinions
Solid mate
LMAO
INCREDIBLE
Yes. I would, if they were still mad at the present german government.
Well my comment is in the past so just disregard that
The present German government that is presently elbow-deep in another Holocaust?
Europe still practices neocolonialism and imperialism. Hell, Australia and other European settler-colonies still exist.
As a non indigenous Australian what would a real communist do?
Read up on local decolonial movements, and listen to what they have to say and are advocating for. Read up on settler-colonialism, Fanon is an excellent writer.
Europe is profitting off child slavery and other horrible shit worldwide. This isn’t a thing of the past only, and being dismissive like this is beyond disrespectful to the many victims of capitalism.
A bunch of African countries just threw off French colonial control like, three years ago, and are still being vilified for it. This shit is extremely current and you’re acting like a smug prick
Australia can into EU plz?
AUKUS says no.
Idiots. The world should be ONE already for at least 26 years. We are thrown back in time by fascist dictators
you guys are so fucking stupid and ignorant i swear
I mean, this is accurately describing how Europeans feel
Stupid and ignorant? Well maybe europeans should try to fix that.
It’s REALLY NOT that hard.
Bro racism gets in their way, it’s not that easy.
So true 😭, how are we supposed to build a better world when brown people over with their skin all brown and shit.
Europe is a capitalistic hell hole, but in comparison to the world powers it really does look like the white knight Jedi…
Idk, being responsible for past colonialism and imperialism, including the transatlantic slave trade, nowadays benefiting from neocolonialism, and taking the side of the US whenever it bullies or bombs random ass countries is a whole lot of evil. The only thing that the EU has going for it is excellent PR.
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Dehumanization and ableism, a liberal classic
You said it’s better than the others. I contested that based on the history of cruelty perpetuated by and for Europeans and that even to this day many EU countries maintain neocolonial dominance over former colonies and other countries, benefiting from the superexploitation of their people. The EU also whitewashes western crimes constantly and helps demonize any country that seeks a sovereign path (including China). Hell, they profit from the genocide in Gaza and other atrocities worldwide and prosecute protesters locally.
If you want me to agree with you that the present day EU is better you’ll have to point to something worse that Russia and especially China are doing.
I stated that the present EU is a hell hole, but oligarch Russia, imperialist america and authoritarian capitalist china are better at being a hell hole nothing more and nothing less.
You imaging me not standing for Gaza or loving colonialism is typical tankie “if your not a Stalinist you must be a neoliberal” is so telling.
You make up a picture in your head, where you are the good guys, everyone else is evil, and nuances dont exist. Same attitude as maga, puti lovers or ai fanboys, just different made up narrative.
The EU is imperialist, just like the US. Russia is run by oligarchs, true, but China is both democratic and a socialist country.
Explicitly tell me how the EU is less bad, let’s discuss facts. And no, I didn’t assume your position on Gaza or whatever else, I explained what the European leadership’s position is.
Freedom of expression Freedom of assembly Surveillance state Freedom of press / censorship Privacy rights Medical security (at least better than USA and russia, dont know enough about chinas medical system to judge) Queer rights Climate destruction (EU is worse than china but better than Russia and USA by relative standards)
Not to say anything of those is good here, just not as bad
Freedom of expression unless you want to wear a hijab.
Freedom of assembly unless you’re holding a pro Palestine sign.
Right to privacy unless the US government wants your data.
Freedom of press unless you write pro Russian articles.
Medical security unless you’re disabled or can’t work.
Queer rights unless you’re trans.
Wow sounds like the lesser evil for sure. Definitely a region worth celebrating
Europe provided something like 30% of the foreign weapons used to commit the genocide in Gaza. How many did China provide?
Not Europe, germany did. This cant be accepted and is one of the worst things they have done in recent years alongside with the judicial suppor and political backing up they give israel. This must be condemned and fought against.
But since we are on the topic of war: who is supplying russia with the drones and fiber optics they use to invade Ukraine? Isnt that China? And isn’t xi giving Putin the same political backing?
As I said: both capitalistic hell holes, but one has slightly less surveillance and slightly less political oppression.
But since we are on the topic of war: who is supplying russia with the drones and fiber optics they use to invade Ukraine? Isnt that China? And isn’t xi giving Putin the same political backing?
This isn’t comparable to genocide for several reasons. I mean, for starters, who’s accusing Russia of genocide? I know that they’ve committed various war crimes and have killed thousands of civilians in their invasion, but neither of those suffice for the war to be considered a genocide. There has to be intent from the Russian side to exterminate the Ukrainian population in a generalized manner.
I’d also just say that with the various contradictions in place in the global stage, it is apparent to me that the only way for capitalism and fascism to be done away with is for every organ of USAmerican imperial hegemony to be dismantled. If the hegemony of the US imperialist ruling class is not dismantled, if the organs of that hegemony remain in place, then the earth is done for because of climate change; if that’s not enough, there will also continue to be genocides like the one in Gaza wherever the white supremacist states can concentrate populations of climate refugees. There will be unprecedented famines and natural disasters. To be honest, a lot of these things are already all but guaranteed to happen with the amounts of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.
With that in mind, knowing what’s at stake, and knowing that NATO is one of the organs of US imperialist hegemony, I can’t in good faith consider that there’s a moral equivalence between the US utilizing Israel as a forward operating base, a tip of the spear, into the heart of the oppressed nations and a testing ground for the extermination technologies of the near future versus China giving Russia military aid to prevent their massive northern neighbor from collapsing. Furthermore, since I am of a mind that thinks that NATO cannot continue to exist for anything resembling a viable future to be possible, Russia is doing my work for me by exhausting NATO military supplies. Every drone, missile, bullet, and tank burned up by Ukraine is a NATO resource that will not be used against someone in the Global South in the near future. Every one of them that Russia destroys is one that anti-imperialist forces would have to destroy in another circumstance, and as valiant as groups like Ansarallah have been in their resistance, they don’t have the strength Russia has. I’m not going to condemn that.
I will condemn their war crimes, what has happened to the residential areas, hospitals, and even schools bombed by Russia is horrifying; but I won’t condemn the war in general, it would be hypocritical.
To your final point, you don’t understand what capitalism is if you think that Europe and the United States are a pole that is “just as capitalistic” as Russia and China. Like, dude, China is a massive net exporter country with a state run, centrally planned economy. Their government is fully democratic[1] and the portion of their economy that is still in the hands of private owners is set to shrink in every successive 5 year plan. That’s not capitalism. Russia is a different story, they are capitalist and have a very reactionary government, but to say they’re “just as capitalistic” as the West is a criticism that reveals a lot of ignorance. The West has such a large concentration of capital that they were the vanguard of the first, second, and third waves of capitalist imperialism. First in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, privately led by the finance capitalists seeking to extract more resources abroad as rates of profit fell at home.[2] [3] This is what led to and was epitomized by the world anti-fascist struggle, or WW2. That led to a period of US domination of world markets. Then in the 1970s came the state-led form of imperialism, carried out primarily by the United States’ unbalanced deficit spending.[4] Lastly, now we are in a kind of third wave that is still definitely dominated by the US as the center of world finance capital. Russia has always been a secondary character in each of these phases, even the SSR.
I agree with you that the war on Gaza is worse than the war on Ukraine, as one of them is “only” imperialistic and the other is a genocide. We are on the same page here.
The EU as a whole is not as supportive of Israel as Germany though, Germany is quite an outlier here. This can be explained (but not excused) by the special relationship between the ex Nazi country and the majority of Israels citizens being Jews. Still, supporting the israelian genocide is fucking disgusting, no question. Ireland, Slovenia and Spain are much more supportive of Gaza is also part of the truth though.
I would support your idea of dismantling the us system, we are in the same page here as well, I am not that optimistic that this will get rid of fascism and capitalism though, Russia China and India and the EU will fill the void.
I also agree with your take on climate change, while by pure numbers China is one of the largest emitter, given they produce most of the worlds goods, I think their climate efforts are honest and my hope is that they will stick to their plans of co2 reduction and be a valuable force for climate. China’s efforts here are very important and I respect them for that.
I also agree with NATO needing to be dismantled, I dont agree with you that Russia is doing that. Look at trump and Putin, the invasion of Ukraine is not fighting against america or the NATO, its imperial landgrabing a non NATO state. And even if Putin would fight the NATO directly, I dont think this will benefit our class, we are the ones dying in the wars, hunger in the famines and getting arrested for fighting for solidarity amongst the international working class, a true change cannot come from a tyrann winning over another tyrann, it need to be a struggle by the people against the oppressors
If you dont condemn an imperialistic country invading its small neighbour, you fight for the oppressor. War is never good for the working class, if you justify people dying in imperialistic wars, you are a class enemie in my eyes.
For your las paragraph is where I find it to get interesting as we have the same opinion, that a democratical controlled public economy is better then privately owned means of production. From what I’ve read China is moving towards private ownerships of means if production then away from it and the actual public decision-making gets progressively less in favor of concentration of power for the political elites (https://www.statista.com/chart/25194/private-sector-contribution-to-economy-in-china/) (https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/china-in-xis-new-era-the-return-to-personalistic-rule/)
Here it would help to get the data straight, I’m open to critically over think my position here
Your argument that USA is worse at nearly everything than nearly everyone else I would fully support.
Apart from that there is an argument to be made, that Democratic votes dont mean shit if the discourse is not free, the regime decides what information you can get, what is allowed to be discussed publicly and what is not. Not only are there information like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_China also My fellow exchange students from China tell me you can’t talk critically about the regime, even in private conversations because you will face direct or indirect repercussions. Things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzchung_controversy also play into this picture.
A state where the working class is truely ruling needs a free working class who can freely from their opinion. This can’t be done in a surveillance state.
I’m not saying there is no surveillance in the EU, just less then in China.
Also also: being able to vote doesn’t make a country socialist or “not capitalistic”, if it would america would fall into this category as well.
I think gramcis works are quite enlightening in that regard.
I also agree with NATO needing to be dismantled, I dont agree with you that Russia is doing that. Look at trump and Putin, the invasion of Ukraine is not fighting against america or the NATO, its imperial landgrabing a non NATO state.
Objectively, NATO is the only reason Ukraine is still standing. No NATO = no war, Ukraine wouldn’t even have had the 2014 coup if it wasn’t for NATO.
And even if Putin would fight the NATO directly, I dont think this will benefit our class, we are the ones dying in the wars, hunger in the famines and getting arrested for fighting for solidarity amongst the international working class, a true change cannot come from a tyrann winning over another tyrann, it need to be a struggle by the people against the oppressors
Struggle against oppressors often does take the form of great tyranny and violence. That’s just how struggle works. If NATO is destroyed NATO is destroyed, the moral character of the people who do it don’t impact the material reality. Is any part of what you’re saying here actually a true thing that can be verified through study of history, or are they just moral platitudes that sound nice?
If you dont condemn an imperialistic country invading its small neighbour, you fight for the oppressor. War is never good for the working class, if you justify people dying in imperialistic wars, you are a class enemie in my eyes.
I gave my thoughts on the matter of civilian deaths in the war in Ukraine. My contention is that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine weakens NATO; I could just as easily say that your refusal to fight NATO makes you a class enemy, and the critical difference is that my position can be justified by observing the ways that NATO is involved in really oppressing the world; meanwhile your disagreement with me is based in moral categories.
About China:
What your friends told you, plainly speaking, is just incorrect. You definitely can criticize the Chinese government publicly and privately. You can protest, the protests against the pandemic restrictions are the reason they don’t do zero COVID in China anymore. There’s active Hexbear users from China who do criticize the country’s policies and are sometimes a lot more critical than the rest of us. Seriously, check out @xiaohongshu@hexbear.net’s posting history. You can hop on Chinese social media like RedNote to see what people are saying; there will be a lot of positive things but negative things too.
On the issue of surveillance, I think surveillance and privacy is basically just dead in the water except for enthusiasts at this point. It’s all screwed, worldwide, it’s just a situation that’s completely beyond repair. Every country that has wide internet access has mass surveillance and the whole world is a police state. Bad situation all around. I’m not gonna try to tell you that it’s better in China than in some other countries because that’s just not good consolation, lol. But if you think that China is a country that has more mass surveillance than the rest of the world, that is mistaken.
They don’t control the flow of information, though. That part is wrong. Talk with Chinese people, I encourage you. They aren’t living in some kind of secluded little bubble, they know what’s going on around the world. My honest opinion is that sometimes they have overly naive takes about what it’s like to live in the West, like they don’t know how bad it is over here in a lot of cases. But they are broadly pretty well informed.
A state where the working class is truely ruling needs a free working class who can freely from their opinion. This can’t be done in a surveillance state.
I take specific issue with this argument. I mean, if you put some stress on the word “truly” then I don’t disagree. It’s a bit of a purity obsessed argument, but not strictly false. But if you really think that the condition of being surveilled is itself reason to forget about the tremendous historical progress China has achieved for their people, even though that surveillance and all other forms of state repression are things that Chinese communists have been aware of as necessary parts of state-building, then I think you are more concerned with creating a utopia than real emancipation.
Also also: being able to vote doesn’t make a country socialist or “not capitalistic”, if it would america would fall into this category as well.
I agree, what I meant is that China has a democratic state and that democratic state’s partial ownership of the means of production makes China a socialist country. Both parts are necessary. State ownership without any form of democracy can look like Saudi Arabia. Liberal democracy with a capitalist economy is, at best, social democracy like the Nordic countries.
This is the purest possible distillation of western chauvinism and for that I thank you. “Sure we’re evil, but we’re still the good guys so imagine how evil those Others must be.”
How so? It’s a region of imperialists.
because the other regions are just as capitalistic?
You’re confused about whose hands got chopped off
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You’re on Lemmy.ml.
The Jedi were neoliberal losers that allowed fascists come to power and cared not for the extreme poverty going on beneath their feet of Coruscant, so yeah putting the blue lightsaber in Europe’s hands is accurate.
Who are the Ewoks?
Probably sub saharan Africa?
I’m not a huge Star Wars guy. Can you refresh my memory as to when Luke went to the Ewoks’ planet, enslaved them, and chopped off their hands when they weren’t being productive enough in the rubber plantations? Because if I’m following the meme here right, Belgium would be Luke, but the guy that cuts off people’s hands is Darth Vader. Am I missing something?
Extended universe
It’s a loose analogy anyway. Europeans like to see themselves as heroes.
Me, i’m the ewoks (all of them)
I wish you’d add the Canadian flag on the European side.
At least China has good food.
Aside from britain europe has pretty good food too.
braSSiKKKa sucks ass
Europe has a lot of good food, but the tendency is that it’s concentrated towards the south - Italy, France, Greece, etc. The food generally gets worse the further north you get, but every national cuisine usually has at least one good thing. Even Sweden probably has a good dish.
I didn’t think Europe having good food was in contention, it’s kinda the basis for fine dining.
