If I can offer a counter argument to what others who’ve replied to you have said, in my opinion, season three of PIC is the single worst season of Star Trek to date. Nothing but empty, cynical fanservice, and the introduction of the worst sort of Scrappy-Doo character in Picard’s adult son, Jack Crusher.
People like the season because it’s getting the TNG band back together, but the season embodies all the complaints that were levelled at season one, justified or unjustified, but simply has some familiar faces. Slop in a trough.
I am part of the group that thinks Insurrection was not just bad as a movie, but bad as a plot line all together. Literally everything about the Ba’ku-Son’a conflict falls apart at the slightest scrutiny.
Literally everything about the Ba’ku-Son’a conflict falls apart at the slightest scrutiny.
I know some of the other Trek movies have this problem, but this goes especially for Insurrection: it felt like a mediocre TNG TV episode stretched out way too long. Much like a Son’a skin treatment. Also, there was just something about it that felt like a re-hash of an actual TNG episode, but I can’t pin down which one.
I will contend that Generations takes the cake as the worst TNG movie. Obviously, the goal of this film was to get Kirk and Picard on the screen at the same time. Everything else in this film is a contrivance to make this happen, and it’s not even good science fiction to get us there. To add grevious insult to injury, we get tragically little screen time between Malcom McDowell and Patrick Stewart and their poorly crafted motivations in the film’s “climax”. This casting choice should have surpassed Wrath of Kahn by a light year for scenery chewing awesomeness, but is instead overshadowed by Capt. Kirk barely accomplishing anything instead.
Also, in a moment of “let’s double-down on fan-service”, Picard Season 3 has a nod to Generations. There’s a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it moment when the gang is on the Daystrom Institute space station. A sealed room is marked as containing the remains of Capt. Kirk, probably of interest since he went MIA only to turn up decades later in Picard’s logs as having returned from the Nexus.
Also, there was just something about it that felt like a re-hash of an actual TNG episode, but I can’t pin down which one.
“Homeward,” the episode where Worf’s adoptive brother evacuates a pre-warp species to a new planet because theirs is dying using the Enterprise’s transporters and holodeck to make them think they’re just traveling over land to a new place. It’s almost exactly the plan for moving the Ba’ku.
Oh man, that’s really close. And no callback to that episode either. Picard or Worf remarking that “they must have gotten the idea from our own logs” would have been way better foreshadowing for the (b)admiral’s involvement. It would have also changed the tone to be more Trek thematic, as it would say something deeper about unintended consequences through so much cultural contact.
“Nemesis” was never meant to be a send off, though. It’s not great by any measure, but I still think it was more entertaining than season three of PIC despite all that.
Both Seasons 2 and 3 were spoiled for me and everything the spoilers described made me not want to watch the show. This is in contrast to spoilers due SNW or Lower Decks that made the shows sound far more interesting.
But I feel like the damning view is setting the TNG crew on the bridge and having it feel really off. It wasn’t even like when Scotty drank on the holodeck version of the original Enterprise. The crew looked off on the old bridge in a way that felt strange. Yeah, everyone is back, but it really feels off.
Season 3 is the worst season of Star Strek, but the best Season of Picard. Picard seasons 1 and 2 were like entirely different shows winking at Star Trek.
Nah, seasons one and two were at least trying something, to varying degrees of success. All season three attempted was cramming its plot so full of nostalgia bait, the audience wouldn’t see just how rotten it was at the core.
Season 2 and 3 are better than season 1. But as a demonstration of how good it is, sometimes I forget ST:PIC ever existed. And I say this as a huge TNG fan.
The third season is pretty good. Second started out well but then didn’t know where they wanted it to go. I’d definitely say PIC overall is the second weakest of new trek after DIS.
You certainly did, only way to do better would have been to also not watch season one imo. PIC (and also DIS) were made by people who obviously hate everything classic Star Trek stands for. Every minute of it was a pain to watch, another DS9 rewatch would have been a much better use of time imo.
I only watched the first season of Picard, but everything I hear about it makes me believe I made the right decision.
If I can offer a counter argument to what others who’ve replied to you have said, in my opinion, season three of PIC is the single worst season of Star Trek to date. Nothing but empty, cynical fanservice, and the introduction of the worst sort of Scrappy-Doo character in Picard’s adult son, Jack Crusher.
People like the season because it’s getting the TNG band back together, but the season embodies all the complaints that were levelled at season one, justified or unjustified, but simply has some familiar faces. Slop in a trough.
Season 3 has a ton of problems, but it’s still a much better send off for the TNG crew than Nemesis was, and that’s good enough for me.
Insurrection was probably a better sendoff.
I am part of the group that thinks Insurrection was not just bad as a movie, but bad as a plot line all together. Literally everything about the Ba’ku-Son’a conflict falls apart at the slightest scrutiny.
I know some of the other Trek movies have this problem, but this goes especially for Insurrection: it felt like a mediocre TNG TV episode stretched out way too long. Much like a Son’a skin treatment. Also, there was just something about it that felt like a re-hash of an actual TNG episode, but I can’t pin down which one.
I will contend that Generations takes the cake as the worst TNG movie. Obviously, the goal of this film was to get Kirk and Picard on the screen at the same time. Everything else in this film is a contrivance to make this happen, and it’s not even good science fiction to get us there. To add grevious insult to injury, we get tragically little screen time between Malcom McDowell and Patrick Stewart and their poorly crafted motivations in the film’s “climax”. This casting choice should have surpassed Wrath of Kahn by a light year for scenery chewing awesomeness, but is instead overshadowed by Capt. Kirk barely accomplishing anything instead.
Also, in a moment of “let’s double-down on fan-service”, Picard Season 3 has a nod to Generations. There’s a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it moment when the gang is on the Daystrom Institute space station. A sealed room is marked as containing the remains of Capt. Kirk, probably of interest since he went MIA only to turn up decades later in Picard’s logs as having returned from the Nexus.
“Homeward,” the episode where Worf’s adoptive brother evacuates a pre-warp species to a new planet because theirs is dying using the Enterprise’s transporters and holodeck to make them think they’re just traveling over land to a new place. It’s almost exactly the plan for moving the Ba’ku.
Oh man, that’s really close. And no callback to that episode either. Picard or Worf remarking that “they must have gotten the idea from our own logs” would have been way better foreshadowing for the (b)admiral’s involvement. It would have also changed the tone to be more Trek thematic, as it would say something deeper about unintended consequences through so much cultural contact.
“Nemesis” was never meant to be a send off, though. It’s not great by any measure, but I still think it was more entertaining than season three of PIC despite all that.
Both Seasons 2 and 3 were spoiled for me and everything the spoilers described made me not want to watch the show. This is in contrast to spoilers due SNW or Lower Decks that made the shows sound far more interesting.
But I feel like the damning view is setting the TNG crew on the bridge and having it feel really off. It wasn’t even like when Scotty drank on the holodeck version of the original Enterprise. The crew looked off on the old bridge in a way that felt strange. Yeah, everyone is back, but it really feels off.
They actually hired people to come in and paint on a recreation of the specific wood grain on the arch behind the captain’s chair.
Imagine if that amount of care and effort was put into making a story suited to those characters?
Season 3 is the worst season of Star Strek, but the best Season of Picard. Picard seasons 1 and 2 were like entirely different shows winking at Star Trek.
Nah, seasons one and two were at least trying something, to varying degrees of success. All season three attempted was cramming its plot so full of nostalgia bait, the audience wouldn’t see just how rotten it was at the core.
I kinda see what Season 1 was trying to do. The only thing Season 2 tried to do was save production budget.
Season 2 and 3 are better than season 1. But as a demonstration of how good it is, sometimes I forget ST:PIC ever existed. And I say this as a huge TNG fan.
The third season is pretty good. Second started out well but then didn’t know where they wanted it to go. I’d definitely say PIC overall is the second weakest of new trek after DIS.
I really enjoyed the first two seasons, the third was ok with some good bits in it.
You certainly did, only way to do better would have been to also not watch season one imo. PIC (and also DIS) were made by people who obviously hate everything classic Star Trek stands for. Every minute of it was a pain to watch, another DS9 rewatch would have been a much better use of time imo.
I liked Season 3 of Discovery ok; it felt like they were trying to make Andromeda in the Star Trek universe. I didn’t watch seasons 1&2 though
I am happy that you could enjoy it :)
I had a low bar, but at least Space Hercules didn’t need to invade Space Iraq to stop a planet from developing Space WMD’s in Discovery.
Nah season 2 was a lot of fun. Season 3 tho…
The first season was ok, the second was dire and the third was brilliant. Don’t listen to anyone else.
Agreed. 2nd was terrible, 3rd was arguably too much fan service, but at least it was fun.