Thousands of Southern Baptists overwhelmingly voted Wednesday to advance a formal ban on women pastors in the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, sending a clear message that men alone should preach to these conservative evangelical congregations.
These assholes vote.
That affects me.
I want to live in a more fair, equal, and just society while they do everything in their power to drag us back to howling barbarism and then pretend I’m the one persecuting them.
There isn’t correlation between an ecclesial issue and secular issue. Christianity forbids women to hold authority over men within the church. However, this doesn’t have anything to do with secular politics, ie, a female prime minister/president doesn’t contradict this. You can have no issue with female political figures or women in other places within secular environments, but disagree with them being appointed in Church leadership.
Same can go for other issues such as same-sex marriage as well, adultery, premarital relations, etc.
Yeah. No.
Sorry. That would not be a distinction first century audiences would make. Women were to obey their husbands (or fathers if they were unmarried) in all things, not just in spiritual matters.
Obey their husbands, yes. Doesn’t have much to do with secular job roles
So if a husband were to say, “Baby, I’d like it if you stopped working as an accountant so that you could suck my dick more,” … and she’s like “No,” … is she disobeying her husband?
The answer is yes. and I’m a little pissed that you don’t see that.
Yes, I do see that, but that’s within a marriage setting. Completely different to if a man she isn’t married to refuses to hire her as an accountant because she’s a woman.
yeah. he tells children to submit to parents, too.
At no point does Paul tell men to submit to women in the same way that he tells women to submit to men. Neither does he tell parents to submit to children.
Also there were very few women who were unmarried, culturally, at that time, the role of women were to mary and attend to their husband’s house and raise their children. No where does he contradict that.
He doesn’t tell women to submit to men, he tells wives to submit to their husbands. Both male and female children submit to their parents. Of course he doesn’t tell parents to submit to their children, that’s essentially lunacy.
Generally it’s traditionally believed that Mary Magdalene didn’t marry. Consecrated virgins (nuns) were also a thing
Paul defends the decision of women not to marry
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
We know almost nothing about Magdalen, we neither know if she was or was not married, or a widow, neither do we know if she had a leadership role at all.
Remember “disciple” wasn’t a special position- it was just anyone who follows another. A disciple of Jesus was any of the hundreds or thousands. The 12 disciples and later 12 apostles were the leaders after Jesus.
As for Paul’s exhortation to unmarried women… how many women do you think never married?
Remember. They’re to obey their fathers. Who would be arranging marriages well before they reached marital age.
And then they’re married, they’re to obey their husbands. young girls were not making these decisions. Their parents were.
There’s still no verse where Paul says to obey women in the same way that women are to obey men. I’m sorry. Husbands are to obey wives in the same way wives are to obey husbands.
None.
And you understand why Paul was like that, right? They thought Armageddon was coming like in a year or two. Or sooner. Any day, really. (He just stopped for some milk!)
They thought there was no point in building a stable life because Jesus would come back do all the messianic stuff he failed to do the first time and then everything would be amazing.
Given that we’re still waiting, it’s probably a good thing for the early church they mostly ignored that.