• Veneroso@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    If you follow the constitution, the right to bear arms is for a well regulated militia. Not for a stressed 18 year old buying an AR-15 at Walmart to shoot up rioters from another state.

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      11 months ago

      You might not like where that logic goes. The Supreme Court took a stance in United States v. Miller (1939) that the NFA’s provisions on short barreled shotguns could be enforced on the basis that it’s not a weapon that would be used by a well-regulated militia.

      That brings us to a conclusion that literally nobody likes. The government could ban shorty shotguns and .22 rimfire, because those aren’t militia weapons. It could not ban fully automatic weapons or even rocket launchers.

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        10 months ago

        We have to come up with something. I am a gun owner. There are legitimate uses for them. But a rifle marksman course requirement? Gun safety classes? 30 day waiting period? Mental health screening? Accountability if you buy it for someone else who uses it to commit violence? Anything?

        Something has to stop the senseless violence.

        I know that it won’t stop it.

        People in Brittain use knives… Acid in the middle east.

        The difference there is that the harm is limited to a few people and not these mass casualty events.

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      11 months ago

      Yes totally forgot about that the people part…go read some federalist papers and a few history books the 2nd is for the people not the militia.

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        11 months ago

        Hey don’t cry about unborn babies but be pro school shootings there bud. The founders had single shot musket rifles not semi automatic rifles. If you want to be constructionist then ban the sale of anything other than breach loaders with separate shell and powder charge and have a good day.

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          11 months ago

          First off, I’m pro-choice. I’m just not an ignorant naive tool like you seem to be. The founders weren’t idiots they knew tech wasn’t going to stop, you could also own warships during those days, the equivalent of owning a nuclear attack sub basically. If you think the 2nd only applies to single shot muskets, then the Internet isn’t covered by the first amendment in your mind. Being ignorant of history doesn’t magically make you correct.

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            10 months ago

            Look, there are ways to make this work. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t have guns. I own one myself. However, maybe there should be a 30 day waiting period? Mental health fitness assessment? Anything?

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              10 months ago

              If you’re actually wanting to solve our violence problem, you go to the root of our societies issues, not the tool used. All of these things below would curb our violence as a whole 1000xs more than any new gun control can.

              We can start with:

              • Single payer healthcare

              • Ending the War on Drugs

              • Ending Qualified immunity

              • Properly funding our schools and not just rich white suburb schools.

              • Build more schools and hire more teachers for proper pay so the class room sizes aren’t 30-40 kids for one teacher.

              • UBI (at least start talking about it) once AI takes over most of the blue collar jobs.

              • End for profit prisons

              • Enforce the laws already on the books

              • Make sure there are safety nets for poor families so the kids don’t turn to violence/gangs to survive.

              • Increase the minimum wage

              • Recreate our mental healthcare so kids don’t turn to the internet for support. And to help veterans not end up as a suicide number.

              • Actively make a law to solidify Pro-choice rights. More unwanted children do not help our situation.

              • Banning Insider Trading for Congress

              • Term limits

              • Ranked Choice Voting so we can move away from a 2 party system