Spitballin here. What if we completely removed border patrol from the border and never arrested a migrant again. Take all those agents. Their full time job now is surprise inspecting every employer in america at random. Mandatory fine of $40,000 per undocumented worker caught being employed. Also first offense we pull your business license for 30 days. Second offense shut you down for 90 days. Third offense liquidate your business forever. How would our “border crisis” look at that point? Think about it. Remember during the drug war when we arrested users and left dealers and smugglers alone? Me neither. This is more in line with what youd actually be seeing if politicians actually gave a rats ass about the BoRdEr cRiSIs
You’d destroy multiple industries that result on exploiting illegal migrants, and low cost labor from those with green cards. Hospitality, sanitation, meat packing, construction, agriculture, etc all would come up floaters
The whiplash from average Americans would be incredible. We’ve priced in domestic exploitation into several industries, and US consumers have come to demand it, and more.
It’s a good point, but at the same time this isn’t indefinitely sustainable. Something has to give here. It’s morally reprehensible that we exploit the desperate and vulnerable for cheap labor. It’s economically dangerous that so many of our domestic industries are reliant on an illegal sub-minimum wage workforce. Both situations are breeding grounds for worse abuses like human trafficking and embezzlement.
I don’t have a solution to this problem, but kicking the can down the road isn’t a solution and doesn’t seem like a healthy choice.
See the problem is that I like cheap produce. The companies can afford to sell cheap produce and pay better though they won’t. So they abuse this type of labor.
That kind of system existed in post-WWII USA, when a high school graduate could work full time to afford a house while being the single income for a big family.
Taxes were never meant to be profit caps and they clearly aren’t an effective way to stop the ruling class. They’re what the ruling class used to use to break people; nowadays they just don’t give people enough money in the first place.
I understand the point you’re making, but it’s still a massive waste of money to police a made up crisis.
It would make way more sense to document these people and give them a tax ID number to allow them to work legally. This would force employers to pay them at least minimum wage, provide worker protection measures, and pay payroll tax, and would allow citizens to compete with immigrants on their own merits. I suspect that immigrants would continue doing the exact same kinds of jobs they currently do, because they’re mostly jobs Americans don’t want, but without the level of exploitation.
As I said, this “crisis” is a made up one, one that’s composed entirely of racism. If it was a real crisis, and not political theater, the Rs wouldn’t want to wait nearly a full year to address it.
That’s a great way to enable fascists like ICE who’d just exploit such policies to throw Hispanic people into concentration camps. They’ve been doing it since Obama. True facts, look it up
No they don’t. They deport the guy working for his family and fine the employer. Imagine the opposite situation where working illegally was a fine and employing illegal workers was losing your business license.
That’s how they punish underage drinking. It’s a massive issue for bars, and a small issue for the kid. Consequently, no bars serve underage kids. It works.
Spitballin here. What if we completely removed border patrol from the border and never arrested a migrant again. Take all those agents. Their full time job now is surprise inspecting every employer in america at random. Mandatory fine of $40,000 per undocumented worker caught being employed. Also first offense we pull your business license for 30 days. Second offense shut you down for 90 days. Third offense liquidate your business forever. How would our “border crisis” look at that point? Think about it. Remember during the drug war when we arrested users and left dealers and smugglers alone? Me neither. This is more in line with what youd actually be seeing if politicians actually gave a rats ass about the BoRdEr cRiSIs
You’d destroy multiple industries that result on exploiting illegal migrants, and low cost labor from those with green cards. Hospitality, sanitation, meat packing, construction, agriculture, etc all would come up floaters
The whiplash from average Americans would be incredible. We’ve priced in domestic exploitation into several industries, and US consumers have come to demand it, and more.
so what I’m hearing is that America doesn’t run on Dunkin’, it runs on exploitation
Always has.
I’d bet that at many points in the supply chain, Dunkin runs on exploitation.
oh my
It’s a good point, but at the same time this isn’t indefinitely sustainable. Something has to give here. It’s morally reprehensible that we exploit the desperate and vulnerable for cheap labor. It’s economically dangerous that so many of our domestic industries are reliant on an illegal sub-minimum wage workforce. Both situations are breeding grounds for worse abuses like human trafficking and embezzlement.
I don’t have a solution to this problem, but kicking the can down the road isn’t a solution and doesn’t seem like a healthy choice.
If we shut these down domestically the product will just get imported. Do you think other countries aren’t exploiting their workers
See the problem is that I like cheap produce. The companies can afford to sell cheap produce and pay better though they won’t. So they abuse this type of labor.
The problem isn’t that you like cheap produce.
The problem is that corporations profit off of the exploitation. Your price could remain the same if the company was willing to accept less profit.
They would still be rich. Just not as rich.
And that’s a problem with almost every company in existence.
Maybe we need profit caps put into law.
That kind of system existed in post-WWII USA, when a high school graduate could work full time to afford a house while being the single income for a big family.
We called it ‘taxes’.
Taxes were never meant to be profit caps and they clearly aren’t an effective way to stop the ruling class. They’re what the ruling class used to use to break people; nowadays they just don’t give people enough money in the first place.
Fuck em.
I understand the point you’re making, but it’s still a massive waste of money to police a made up crisis.
It would make way more sense to document these people and give them a tax ID number to allow them to work legally. This would force employers to pay them at least minimum wage, provide worker protection measures, and pay payroll tax, and would allow citizens to compete with immigrants on their own merits. I suspect that immigrants would continue doing the exact same kinds of jobs they currently do, because they’re mostly jobs Americans don’t want, but without the level of exploitation.
As I said, this “crisis” is a made up one, one that’s composed entirely of racism. If it was a real crisis, and not political theater, the Rs wouldn’t want to wait nearly a full year to address it.
You forgot the part where we give work permits and union training seminars freely.
You’re absolutely right about controlling demand versus supply in a capitalist system. You can’t block supply. It’s never worked.
That’s a great way to enable fascists like ICE who’d just exploit such policies to throw Hispanic people into concentration camps. They’ve been doing it since Obama. True facts, look it up
They’ve been doing it since FDR.
I don’t think ICE has been around since FDR.
There’s been a federal agency with the tasking since the 1940’s. So yeah not ICE specifically.
ICE literally does that and people lose their fucking minds.
No they don’t. They deport the guy working for his family and fine the employer. Imagine the opposite situation where working illegally was a fine and employing illegal workers was losing your business license.
That’s how they punish underage drinking. It’s a massive issue for bars, and a small issue for the kid. Consequently, no bars serve underage kids. It works.