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A Fulton County Superior Court judge in Atlanta signed an order last year requiring True the Vote to provide evidence it had collected, including the names of people who were sources of information, to state elections officials who were frustrated by the group’s refusal to share evidence with investigators.
In their written response, attorneys for True the Vote said the group had no names or other documentary evidence to share.
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So they go to jail for meddling in the election, right?
Slander and defamation have entered the chat
Spreading lies about the outcome of an election is way, way worse than defamation. It’s an attempt to undermine the electoral process itself, which pretty much automatically qualifies it as an attempted coup.
Conservatives: “Election fraud! Ballot stuffing!”
Judge: “Okay, let’s see your evidence.”
Conservatives:
So yeah, that should be immediate charges brought by state and fed DOJ, for fraud and election tampering, at the very least, for everyone, including attorneys involved, right? I mean, maybe if one said something in an off-hand moment, you can forgive that. But repeating the same fraud for YEARS!! No, by that time one has committed oneself to the consequences of one’s actions.
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That’s strange. They say there is fraud every day since Election Day 2020.
But somehow, in a courtroom, reality is magically restored, and they admit it’s a lie?
The power of consequences.
The consequences are irrelevant when these dimwits have historically ignored facts.
Due to the ever present “debate” over whether the election was legit or not, most Americans now have less confidence in the process; in democracy. The damage is done, regardless of the “consequences”.
We now live in a world where outrage and conflict are proven to generate increased viewership. Viewership means revenue and power. Content that’s genuine and unbiased and helpful isn’t as compelling. Our disinterest in improving ourselves and our communities and advancing as a civilization is having the consequence of making us even dumber than we were the day before (because the government and corporations have lead us to believe that capitalism and consumerism is more
importantAmerican than empathy and generosity).So, as long as the media outlets get to run unfounded stories and bring in dozens of “experts” to generate more content to generate more outrage, without much interest in journalism or reporting of unbiased facts, well… I’m afraid to consider of the consequences that lie ahead of us.
What are the consequences in this case?
Perjury is frowned upon in court
Would be nice to see actual consequences in that shit hole country for once.
“Frowned upon” isn’t a consequence or punishment.
In Florida it’s 5/5/5. Up to five years in prison, 5 years probation and $5000. Don’t know about Georgia
Not only do they not have evidence, they don’t have confidentiality agreements for the informants they claimed they couldn’t name because they promised confidentiality.
My favorite part:
“One of its attorneys wrote that a complete response would require True the Vote to identify people to whom it had promised confidentiality.”
Followed by:
"the judge ordered True the Vote to provide copies of any confidentiality agreements it had with sources.
The group’s attorneys replied: “TTV has no such documents in its possession, custody, or control.”"
“Oh, but that would violate our confidentiality agreements.”
“Makese sense, lets see the agreements.”
“. . .”
Wouldn’t that mean the lawyers just lied to the court?
They’ve been lying the whole time.
Yeah, of course, but there’s a difference between lying to us and lying in court.
Lying to us just subverts democracy, which so far doesn’t appear to have any consequences.
However, if an attorney lies in court, that can lead to disbarment.
Well, like I say, they have been lying to the court the whole time.
“We have evidence!”
“Great! Where is it?”
“Our evidence lives in Canada, your honor, you probably don’t know her…”
Could be verbal. It’d be stupid to keep it verbal, but these people aren’t smart.
Wow, couldn’t even manage to convince the dumb ones to submit a fraudulent affidavit, this time.
True the Vote’s founder and president, Catherine Engelbrecht, didn’t immediately respond to an Associated Press email seeking comment Wednesday. She and another member of the group were briefly jailed in 2022 for contempt for not complying with a court order to provide information in a defamation lawsuit. The suit accused True the Vote of falsely claiming that an election software provider stored the personal information of U.S. election workers on an unsecured server in China.
Catherine Renee Engelbrecht[1] is the American co-founder of True the Vote and King Street Patriots, a nonprofit Tea Party organization active mostly in Texas.[2] She is also the co-founder of “The Freedom Hospital” with Gregg Phillips,[3] and the CFO of one of his shell companies CoverMe Services Inc. which was formerly known as AutoGov, Inc.[4][5]
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) — A conservative group has told a Georgia judge that it doesn’t have evidence to support its claims of illegal ballot stuffing during the the 2020 general election and a runoff two months later.
Texas-based True the Vote filed complaints with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in 2021, including one in which it said it had obtained “a detailed account of coordinated efforts to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes across metro Atlanta” during the November 2020 election and a January 2021 runoff.
“Once again, True the Vote has proven itself untrustworthy and unable to provide a shred of evidence for a single one of their fairy-tale allegations,” Raffensperger spokesman Mike Hassinger said Wednesday.
True the Vote’s assertions were relied upon heavily for “2000 Mules,” a widely debunked film by conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza.
The group came up empty-handed despite having “made every additional reasonable effort to locate responsive items,” its attorneys David Oles and Michael Wynne wrote in a Dec. 11 legal filing first reported Wednesday by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
True the Vote’s founder and president, Catherine Engelbrecht, didn’t immediately respond to an Associated Press email seeking comment Wednesday.
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