Hold the debate anyway. Have Kamala appear next to an empty chair.
Moderator: giving Trump a couple more minutes to appear.
(~5 min later)
Moderator: Trump is a no show. Hmm… he originally eagerly agreed to this September debate with Biden. It’s unclear why the change of heart, but I have to say he forfeits by default.
Kamala (interrupts): Hold on, please call Trump’s probation officer to verify his attendance permission while we wait a few more min. He’s understandably a bit skiddish with prosecutors lately but I would like to yield some of my time & do him this courtesy since he donated to my campaign in 2011 & 2013.
(~5 min later)
Moderator: no go, but would you like to answer the questions next to an empty chair to have your answers heard anyway?
Kamala: yes, this way he can take all the time he needs to prepare a scripted response later given his cognitive challenges….
Funny comment, but why the tor link?
NY Times is a closed website. Paywalled or something? I could not reach it from Tor at least not with my browser. Could be a popup-blocker blocker, not sure. Anyway, the link I gave is a NY Times front-end that is openly accessible, though clearnet users might have to append a
.cabor something. There are probably NY Times FEs on clearnet but I don’t know of any ATM.(edit) actually I think that’s NY Times official onion server. Anyway, for whatever reason it has better accessibility than the clearnet version.
Ha! I predicted this!
I also predicted Biden’s disaster and asked people around me why the fuck is Biden going to debate Trump. People said “he has no choice”. I found that quite questionable. Now Trump seems to be proving that candidates have a choice.
Sure Trump’s cowardice will damage his campaign. But getting an ass-beating in the debate is even more damaging, as Biden proved. So Trump is making his best tactical move for his ability.
(edit)
I would like it if the headlines were “Trump forfeits the debate” to rightfully emphasize the lossy nature of the decision.The problem with the Biden debate situation is that he was trailing in the polls, so he needed a debate with a strong performance in order to win over voters. Obviously, the opposite of that happened.
Trump’s margin against Kamala is likely smaller, but he’s still slightly ahead. It’s probably much more prudent for him to avoid a debate given that Kamala would probably perform much better than him. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose.
I honestly assumed most of my life that it was just a rule for candidates that they have to debate.
When folk had the tiniest bit of mutual respect for each other and the office, I believe your assumption was correct, but times change.
There was a time where it was a given that we’d have x number of Presidential debates… I can’t believe how far we’ve sunk.
Normally you don’t have a debate against an Alzheimer patient from a party that denied how bad it was for years. Remember when his senility was fake news, like…3 weeks ago? Exact same arrogant bastards are risking a trump victory again while they play their stupid games. Harris is looking coronated, same as Biden and Hillary before. That they don’t have a real open primary is pathetic. The one party state yall say you want to prevent arrived ten years ago, now you’re just the north american equivalent of Jackie Chan supporting the communist party. Yknow they vote for left and right factions inside the overarching party there, right? People vote with a choice of conservative communist member or liberal communist member, they all belong to a second party under the main one.
Holy fuck. If you’re still human and waking up in the morning, you’re real sick. You might be ai.
I must say he’s right about one thing: the US is a one-party system.
Or more specifically I would say the US is a two-party system for white men (+Kanye West) and a one-party system for everyone else.
I feel like I could almost understand what you tried to communicate.
Lol. Nice try. I realize you can’t argue the points, but playing dumb is really, really obvious. Better to say nothing and all
He’s dropping in the polls, especially against her. Maybe some people are too young to remember, but candidates usually gain like 10% in the polls after a failed assassination. Or 5% after the convention. And their Vice Presidential Candidate gains after the convention too.
Trump literally had no assassination or convention bump. His ceiling is less than 50% of voters. Kamala Harris has seen a large bump just from jumping into the race. Some swing state polls went from +8 or +10 trump earlier this year, to only +2 against Kamala.
She’s only made one speech as the potential candidate! Believe me, she’s going to be on top by the day of the debate.
Yes, I hope her momentum continues to grow and that she snaps up the undecided vote as people become more familiar with her.
But at that point, the question becomes whether she needs to debate. The Pod Save guys were saying that if she’s ahead in the blue wall states by September it might be the smarter move to stay on the campaign trail and deny Trump the national airtime.
God I fucking hope so. Maybe we get out this way.,
Can you predict a global Social Democratic overhaul?
I can! As long as people continue coming to message forums complaining instead of passionately making their case, or joining the party and doing something about it, I predict there will be no “global Democratic overhaul”, whatever that means to you.
Woah!
Scratch that—make it democratic socialism (otherwise known as socialism)
What would this involve for foreign policy?
I’m particularly interested in a few Islamic fascist states with carte blanche to abuse, well, less lucky countries, but too populated by kinda brownish people. And in Israel with the same privilege.
Do fascists get ignored (they are fine with this, but at least better than support)? Do they get sanctioned (hopes are not high)? Do they get desert-stormed (yes, please, desert-storm Baku)? Or does anything change at all.
I’m not at all from where you are.
Best case, it doesn’t get better for you. Maybe they shoot a little less.
Keep your head down and take care of your people. I’m sorry. It isn’t right or okay. I’m teaching my son to love people and that’s about all I can do.
Good luck. Be hard. Take care of your people.
Where I am this is not a problem (yet), but I’m worried about the country my ancestors are from.
Sure Trump’s cowardice will damage his campaign.
Press X to doubt.
Nothing damages this guy when it comes to his cult. He could go on stage and start sobbing like a child if he bumps his toe on the podium and the propagandists on Fox and the like will just say Democrats set it up to hit him and put pepper spray on the podium or something.
In this case it won’t be cowardice, it will be a “totally reasonable” bullshit argument as to why it isn’t proper to do and they’ll all pat themselves on the back for being “above shitty politics” while beating up Kamala for wanting to debate “out of turn.”
It’s about the undecided - not his cult
Who here had him backing out of deba…oh, most everyone.
The only people who didn’t take that bet were ones who didn’t see the point of putting money on 1:1.01 odds.
I never thought there was the slightest chance of him ever actually debating her, but I am astonished by how lazy and flimsy their pretext is for backing out.
Paywall
Well Trump is a sex offender so I agree it’s inapropriate to have any unsupervised interaction with other women
There would be a moderator.
They’ll need a spray bottle or a rolled news paper to make sure they can keep Trump away from Kamala
Yeah a rolled up newspaper might not cut it. Didn’t Stormy spank him with a magazine?
If it’s like the CNN moderators, it’ll be 💩💩💩
Because he doesn’t like to get his ass handed to him by a smarter woman.
“FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!”
……but, talk to Kamala Harris about policies and record?
*flee
Coward. Total and utter chickenshit.
FLIGHT! FLIGHT! FLIGHT!
Man I wish the media reported him yelling flight flight flight instead :')
He is afraid of strong, smart women. He is afraid of people who can laugh. And he is deadly afraid of ending up losing the debate and the vote to a black woman, the kind of person that should in his mind be as inferior as a bug.
He’s afraid to compete against a black woman.
The well-documented cowardice of this geriatric and demented rapist insurrectionist.
I’m not even American, but I’m gonna tune in for the debate, when it happens. It should be entertaining.
Damn. I lost that bet.
I thought it’d take longer than this. Mostly for trump to figure out which words to use. he has trouble with multi-syllabic words.
Racist Rapist Convicted Felon is scared to have a discussion with a woman POC.
What a bitch.
Brave Sir Donald ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it’s ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Donald turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Gingerly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the brave, Sir Donald!
Brave Sir Donald, indeed.
Sir?
You…
You get the joke, right?
I’d say in this very specific context, it’s appropriate.
I think its Monty Python but not 100%
Yup. Monty Python and the Holy Grail to be precise.
Great, I had plans this evening…
It’s only a bloody model.
Alright, I’m just gonna say it… your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberry.
Remind me again, was Sir Donald the one that planned the wooden rabbit?
in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, it was the “scientifically leaned” Sir Bedevere (Terry Jones)
…which is how we know the world to be banana shaped.
Coulda fooled me, given the general quality of trumps planning and organization skills.
Should have replaced “danger reared its ugly head” with. “logic needed to be said”
Translation: he’s scared he’ll one-up his declining showmanship. Or more likely his advisors are and fed him some ego-shielding bullshit that let’s him get out of it and tell his cult that it’s her fault.
Bock Bock
