A three-judge panel has blocked Alabama’s new congressional map after lawmakers failed to create a second district where Black voters at least came close to comprising a majority, as suggested by the court.
Just like every other red state, they will continue to make insubstantial, tiny changes. Then, with no approved map available at election time, they will revert back to the original illegal map.
This is how it’s always done now. Conservatives do not respond to court orders or pacifism. They respond only to force.
Mentioned this elsewhere, but SCOTUS is the one who threw out the original map. AL is essentially defying SCOTUS here and so I doubt they’ll be friendly to the cause.
At the same time, it was the supreme court that actually ruled their maps illegal. I could totally see them saying “oh good you raised the effective black population from 30-40% that’s good enough,” but it doesn’t seem outside the realm of possibility for them to kick Alabama out again.
It’s truly a stupid move – SCOTUS is deeply unpopular and very conservative. If Alabama Republicans refuse to abide by its decision, they set a precedent that anyone can. And Republicans stand to lose a whole lot more if we start ignoring SCOTUS.
Bang up job not paying attention to how conservatives operate. Also, bang up job not recognizing that conservatives do not respond to anything short of physical force. And bang up job giving conservatives the benefit of the doubt that they will obey a court-issued map. Bang up job!
Use bad map for election, now election is possible fraudulent, in a win they claim tapering by dems, in a loss they say oh we used a bad map need to vote again.
Okay Satan, do you really want another civil war? I don’t. I don’t want to see my friends and loved ones die because of a bunch of political bullshit fueled by greed, power and hate.
I wouldn’t even be in favor of whatever government won on either side. Our nation’s values are rotten to the core much like what seems to be the entirety of the world’s governments, corporations and any other significantly sized organization.
The internet just seems to be fueling more vitriol than ever. We could try coming together and fighting the establishment with shared common sense bipartisan goals while keeping the bullshit out of it but then there’s no free lunch for the people with all the money.
I agree the billionaire class and corporatocracy are the common enemy, but conservatives defend them loyally. So if you really want to regulate, limit, tax or dismantle that common enemy, you’ll need to go through conservatives to get there. And they aren’t budging. They never will. They are the minions of our enemy and will gleefully kill you and your family to defend them. In fact, they are doing that right now by aggressively heating the earth while mocking normal people for panicking about it.
The next civil war will not be fought in trenches. It will be fought at cafe’s and on freeways as conservatives commit further acts of domestic terrorism. Conservatism is a plague in desperate need of a cure.
I agree the billionaire class and corporatocracy are the common enemy, but conservatives defend them loyally.
Can you honestly say the wealthy of this nation only play on one party line? I honestly think both sides are just as bad. The political games mostly distract you from the big wins of the ultra-wealthy. When regulation flip flops all the time the winners are in the businesses who effectively write the laws that politicians peddle. It’s rare there are experts writing laws that get passed who are not compensated by the very industry they are crafting the laws to regulate.
I learned a lot about public policy in college and what you see in the news isn’t generally the key points, it’s just whatever outrage fuel they can put on the fire for their respective audience. Regulation and loopholes are rarely easily understood things, it’s all for people who understand the complexities of tax code and legalese which isn’t most people.
I think the “both sides” you are referring to are just two flavors of conservatism… Neo-liberals are conservatives. They have more tact, but they are not progressives.
Progressives want to regulate corporations, limit wealth hoarding, tax billionaires and help human beings other than themselves. Progressives are not the problem I speak of.
Conservatives, including neo-liberals, are killing the rest of us for their profit. They both go on the same smoldering pile when the time comes.
By both sides I was talking about the two principal political parties. Sure some amount may not be corrupt but the end result is that pro-big money policies reign supreme.
It’s hard to talk about any other possible spectrum of theoretical politics because only the two parties really make an impact, you have to look at it collectively. State and Federal legislature has the exact same problems but on different scales.
It’s all about looking at it objectively, not idealistically. Ideals aren’t the real world. Humans are corrupt, all of us. The level of corruption varies but generally is proportional to the amount of authority we are given to make decisions with financial impacts.
Just like every other red state, they will continue to make insubstantial, tiny changes. Then, with no approved map available at election time, they will revert back to the original illegal map.
This is how it’s always done now. Conservatives do not respond to court orders or pacifism. They respond only to force.
Looks like federal judges are going to appoint a neutral third party to redraw the district’s this time, they’ve learned that trick.
Of course, Alabama is appealing to the supreme court, and we know which way they lean, so.
Mentioned this elsewhere, but SCOTUS is the one who threw out the original map. AL is essentially defying SCOTUS here and so I doubt they’ll be friendly to the cause.
At the same time, it was the supreme court that actually ruled their maps illegal. I could totally see them saying “oh good you raised the effective black population from 30-40% that’s good enough,” but it doesn’t seem outside the realm of possibility for them to kick Alabama out again.
They ignored SCOTUS the first time, they’ll keep on ignoring the courts this time too
It’s truly a stupid move – SCOTUS is deeply unpopular and very conservative. If Alabama Republicans refuse to abide by its decision, they set a precedent that anyone can. And Republicans stand to lose a whole lot more if we start ignoring SCOTUS.
Bang up job reading the article. The panel directed a special master to draw a new map.
Bang up job not paying attention to how conservatives operate. Also, bang up job not recognizing that conservatives do not respond to anything short of physical force. And bang up job giving conservatives the benefit of the doubt that they will obey a court-issued map. Bang up job!
neat
Mom and Dad are fighting again.
Goddamnit Kim, get back to bed right this instant!
An independent group has been tapped to make the next iteration of maps thankfully.
And conservatives will ignore that as well.
They can try, but they’ll regret it. I can think of a handful of recent SCOTUS decisions we should ignore if they want to play that game.
Use bad map for election, now election is possible fraudulent, in a win they claim tapering by dems, in a loss they say oh we used a bad map need to vote again.
Okay Satan, do you really want another civil war? I don’t. I don’t want to see my friends and loved ones die because of a bunch of political bullshit fueled by greed, power and hate.
I wouldn’t even be in favor of whatever government won on either side. Our nation’s values are rotten to the core much like what seems to be the entirety of the world’s governments, corporations and any other significantly sized organization.
The internet just seems to be fueling more vitriol than ever. We could try coming together and fighting the establishment with shared common sense bipartisan goals while keeping the bullshit out of it but then there’s no free lunch for the people with all the money.
I agree the billionaire class and corporatocracy are the common enemy, but conservatives defend them loyally. So if you really want to regulate, limit, tax or dismantle that common enemy, you’ll need to go through conservatives to get there. And they aren’t budging. They never will. They are the minions of our enemy and will gleefully kill you and your family to defend them. In fact, they are doing that right now by aggressively heating the earth while mocking normal people for panicking about it.
The next civil war will not be fought in trenches. It will be fought at cafe’s and on freeways as conservatives commit further acts of domestic terrorism. Conservatism is a plague in desperate need of a cure.
Can you honestly say the wealthy of this nation only play on one party line? I honestly think both sides are just as bad. The political games mostly distract you from the big wins of the ultra-wealthy. When regulation flip flops all the time the winners are in the businesses who effectively write the laws that politicians peddle. It’s rare there are experts writing laws that get passed who are not compensated by the very industry they are crafting the laws to regulate.
I learned a lot about public policy in college and what you see in the news isn’t generally the key points, it’s just whatever outrage fuel they can put on the fire for their respective audience. Regulation and loopholes are rarely easily understood things, it’s all for people who understand the complexities of tax code and legalese which isn’t most people.
I think the “both sides” you are referring to are just two flavors of conservatism… Neo-liberals are conservatives. They have more tact, but they are not progressives.
Progressives want to regulate corporations, limit wealth hoarding, tax billionaires and help human beings other than themselves. Progressives are not the problem I speak of.
Conservatives, including neo-liberals, are killing the rest of us for their profit. They both go on the same smoldering pile when the time comes.
By both sides I was talking about the two principal political parties. Sure some amount may not be corrupt but the end result is that pro-big money policies reign supreme.
It’s hard to talk about any other possible spectrum of theoretical politics because only the two parties really make an impact, you have to look at it collectively. State and Federal legislature has the exact same problems but on different scales.
It’s all about looking at it objectively, not idealistically. Ideals aren’t the real world. Humans are corrupt, all of us. The level of corruption varies but generally is proportional to the amount of authority we are given to make decisions with financial impacts.