cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18475086
I’m not against those who work for sex, but the idea to earn for a living doesn’t seem nice. IMO, sex should be for 2 people (or more for others who prefer polyamory) who wants to be intimate/romantic with each other. My point is money should not be the purpose.
Edit3: improved wording a bit, and added info below; forgot to add this edit
Legalize and regulate.
I share this view with other issues our society faces as well.
Edit: forgot why.
Why:
Sex work as well as drugs will never be outlawed or enforced fully; looking at drugs, it is used as an excuse to jail the working class for slave labor as well as other things when you follow the money.[1]
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.[2]
[1] The Wire - Daniels Follows the Money | 01:34 | https://youtu.be/9PaBt441FBQ ↩︎
[2] https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-13/ ↩︎
I don’t believe that my approval or anyone else’s is at all relevant.
My position is that there’s only one person who has the right to decide whether or not it’s acceptable to trade sex for money, and that’s the person entering into the trade. Assuming that all other contractual requirements are met - they’re of legal age and acting of their own free will and so on - it’s just as much their right to trade sex for money as to trade ditch digging or code writing or coffee brewing or meeting taking for money.
(edited for clarity)
I’ll kinda take a different approach since everyone’s covered the basics with sex work. The problem with how you’ve presented it, is you’re defining an act on how you perceive and want to regulate it. The simple question becomes, “should people have bodily autonomy?”
Everyone has a different opinion on what can be considered intimate/romantic. Some people feel a full body massage is too intimate, others a dinner with a co-worker is too romantic (not agreeing, just throwing out examples). If we start regulating based on how someone feels something should be perceived than it’s a slippery slope. I can fully understand that you believe sex to be romantic while also realizing that others don’t feel the same way or view it as a positive aspect of it. If it’s not being forced on you then it shouldn’t be a problem what consenting adults do in privacy.
Great point, thanks for bringing it up
Sex work is a more respectable career than debt collector, or CEO.
Or president
Exactly. Perfect example of labor owning the means of production.
I approve of sex work, but I don’t approve of the abusive madams and pimps of the world. Usually, they are the problem. Protection should come in a different way.
No. Like sexual liberation, it’s harmfull towards human civillization.
I think whether anyone approves of it or not is really irrelevant. People have bought and sold sex for thousands of years and will continue to do so.
The only questions is whether you think the sex trade should be illegal or stigmatised. My personal opinion is that criminalising sex work is a fools errand and that it’s no ones business if two consenting adults want to trade money for sex.
hey look reactionary content from .world! Shocked
Sex work is work.
If one person demands sex in return for not harming another, it is called rape and we rightly consider it to be a crime. If one person demands sex in return for not starving the other, many people seem to find it acceptable. I would never dare judge someone for the work they are forced to do by their circumstances, but ‘sex work’ (or whatever you choose to call it) is absolutely not okay. Those trapped in it deserve better.
If it is strictly voluntary, it is a work If it is forced for any reason, obviously not.
honestly if my body was anything else, I would try an OF or similar.
Yep. There is definitely a strong market for it. And i firmly believe it alleviates tensions enough to prevent a lot of assaults
Very cool to steal the arguments pedophiles use to justify what’s on their hard drives.
If only there were some way to judge if the pornographization of society had led to more assaults and trafficking 🤔
I don’t approve of work.
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Absolutely because then we can start talking about protecting and helping the sex workers that need help, and give them a chance to work in a safe environment.
Sex worker have been a thing since at least when we invented writings and still going strong today.
Might be time to give sex workers the dignity and respect they deserve.
It seems like you answered the question “should it be legal”, not “do you approve of it”.
I could technically disapprove of something and still want it to be legalized, but you normally approve what you want to legalize.
But to be clear, I approve of sex workers because to me, it is a job like any other. But since we built society on puritan values, they get a bad reputation and a terrible work situation.
I could technically disapprove of something and still want it to be legalized, but you normally approve what you want to legalize
A very enlightened and humble attitude. I commend you.
Sex worker have been a thing since at least when we invented writings and still going strong today.
I’m pretty sure it was a thing before writing, there was just nobody to write about it.
I know, but we have at least some writings to prove that it happened back then. But sex workers probably exist since the dawn of humanity in a form or another.
Sex work wouldnt exist in an ideal world, as its usually not mentally healthy for the sex worker in the long term.
But since we dont live in an ideal world I would rather legalise it and create laws that protect sex workers instead of criminalising them.
Its the same with all drugs (including cigarettes and alcohol).
What are the long term risks associated with being a sex worker? Is that any different than being a long term call center worker or secretary, or construction worker?
I think it is because having sex is such an inimate thing and as a sex worker you have to do it even with people you are not intimate with and at times when you dont want to be intimate. The sheer number of sex partners probably also doesnt help.
And then there are the assholes who will straight up step over boundaries and directly create trauma.
I live in Germany where sex work legal btw (and I think it should be kept that way).
Comparing the risks to other work is hard, as the risks vary from person to person and from workplace to workplace in each job.
But I would consider doing sex work if I would have to work in a callcenter otherwise lol
Or coal miner, or electrician, or soldier or cop, or park ranger, etc etc etc.
I think the opposite. I think sex work as it exists mostly now, wouldn’t be like this in an ideal world. But in an ideal world everything is perfect. So let’s say a world that has ideal economics, people don’t have to resort to this as an act of desperation. But even in such a world, surely there are lonely people? Or people who are just extremely unlucky in love? Or those who don’t have a lifestyle that fits with a long-term relationship? Or those who would like but aren’t ready? The list goes on. One constant that remains in 99.99% of us is one of the most fundamental primal instincts we have - to procreate. This is why food and sex are so enjoyable. Because evolution has led to these things being so great since the genes responsible for that enjoyment have thrived the most and allowed our species to thrive as a whole.
So I think in a world with ideal economics, where everyone can survive and live in health regardless of their luck or opportunities, there will still always be those individuals who crave intimacy and deserve it just as much as anyone. That is where sex workers would be vital.
Literally not different from any kind of therapeutic practitioner.
In an ideal world people who just want casual sex would find each other. And people who want love as well. In an ideal world everyone would also have someone they are an ideal match to.
The only way I see people getting paid to have sex in an ideal world is if they get paid because their sex is so good, like top athletes.
Well I was trying to talk about reality and not fantasy.
We will never live in an ideal world, we can only approach it.
So, yeah, I wasnt referring to reality.
Sex isn’t special in the sense of being on a pedestal. Sure, it can be magical in that two people in love come closer together, but that is also true of many intimate experiences. The physical act should not be restricted from being performed, shared, or even monetized because of the sense of morality of others.
Sex workers are working. They may get someone off via their actions, but they’re providing a service, same as someone who fixes your broken phone, provides medical care, or unclogs your toilet. It’s a form of labor.
My life doesn’t include a special realm or being beyond that of people to provide incentives or guidance on how to live. That’s entirely decided by people and their own sense of decency. Treat others well, as you’d wish to be treated, and try not to live in a way that negatively affects others. That’s the whole of morality to me. I think this will lead to a good life. In no way would paying for or receiving money for sexual acts be affected by it.
Hell, give me enough money and I’ll perform whatever sex acts you want.
