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In many ways this gives Putin an out from this incredibly stupid war that he created.
Agree terms with Ukraine, peacefully take back the land they lost, declare victory, and stop this war for good. He can save face and maintain power until he dies while Russia stays a pariah to the world. Ukraine will still naturally join NATO, but without the threat of war Russia can just sit on what it owns.
IMO, this is the ideal time for some final sanctions on Russia by heavily fining all western companies that don’t leave within 30 days. Cut them off entirely, and then bring them to the table to negotiate the return once Putin is gone. I don’t see a progressive candidate entering Russian politics any time soon, but a non-KGB candidate without ties to the Kremlin might find power by having the west on their side - they just need to stay away from radiation and balconies.
It will be a pity when they fall from the window on their ground level house and still die from it.
He can’t do that. Losing Crimea would be a death blow for him. Some trash human standing close to him has already picked out the window he will fall from and he knows it.
That fucker doesn’t let anyone near him.
There’s probably not a single window in any building he lives or works in that could even be opened.
But does Ukraine really want Crimea back? Isn’t it completely russified now?
Just the dirt is worth a lot. Even if Russia conducted a genocide without anyone noticing, and all the buildings flat.
Is that just because it was Russia’s best naval base? It was also the ussr vacation destination, but I’m not really up to date on Putin’s bullshit excuses for invasion.
Yeah, the naval base is the big thing.
For Ukraine, it’s about the principle of the matter. Taking Crimea back would mean “we are a real country and you can’t push us around.”
Even when sanctions lift, it’ll be hard to reenter Russia for practical reasons. My company left entirely, and it would be very hard for us to turn it all back on now. We’d be basically doing a whole deployment from scratch to the region.
Which is to say that, yeah, you can negotiate a potential return, but companies may not be quick to want to reinvest.
Has no fresh ones in stock it seems
Easy way to stop this, leave Ukraine entirely.
At the risk of once again offending the people who read this as actually Cyrillic, this calls for another Rukraine post.
R?dui? D ?ocja iote?
My Cyrillic reading eyes!!! They burn!!!
I tried to read that out loud and now there’s a fucking Russian potato mephit just FOLLOWING me everywhere.
Not going as planned, eh, Putin?
Pretty much how I called it a day or two ago. Putin will now have to put more troops on his border with Ukraine permanently. Ukraine can continue to harass those troops. First though putin has to put together a successful attack to stall and repel Ukraine’s advance. Meanwhile the troops already engaged with russias invasion may be able to put enough pressure on what remains to push them back.
It reminds me of when rome did the same against hannibal and carthage
Misleading title; the article says that he pulled some troops out of Ukraine.
It’s not, though. If I said I “ate apples from my fridge”, you shouldn’t assume I ate every apple.
I would say the headline is unclear, not misleading. I read it as him pulling some forces out. Pulling all of them would be a ridiculous over-reaction.
Rereading after your comment I can see how it might be unclear though.
In Putin’s Russia, Ukraine invades you!
Yakov Smirnoff being Ukrainian makes it that much better!
Did not know that, thank you for improving my day with that little fact!
Hopefully the Ukrainian military thought this all through in advance and had a good idea of where those reinforcements will come from, and have some surprises in store for them.
To armchair general for a bit- they send out small, fast, agile squads in all directions that make a show of fighting then rapidly retreat. The enemy follows into dug in positions and a sky full of drones. Repeat until you’ve put enough of a dent into the enemy then massively counterattack the direction most of the enemy is coming from.
Why counter attack (with the majority of forces) right away? Russians have shown poorer abilities when organizing offensives compared to defending. The incursion into Russia by Ukraine forces the Russian military into attacking. This is as opposed to sitting behind a thousand minefields in unmoving lines inside Ukraine.
Ukraine can set up elaborate layered defenses and enjoy the defensive advantage to grind up more Russian military assets. This also gives Ukraine opportunities for small detachments to hit the Russian reinforcements on the move, which is something they’ve already been doing.
If I read it correctly, Ukraine is facing a very large force to the north and struggling to repel it. If you open up another front, you force Putin to hopefully take troops from there to use on the defence in Kursk, thereby lessening the load on the soldiers defending in the North.
Peeling off Russian forces is exactly what Ukraine has already done with this force. I believe it was entirely the point.
Russia is forced not to ignore this for numerous reasons, and it forces them to attack to expel the Ukrainian forces. Successfully attacking with conscripts is a more difficult proposition than defending.
Ukrainian forces inside Russia can continue to force the confrontation by advancing into undefended territory and/or launching limited small scale attacks to be a constant wound inside of Russia. Ukrainians have already been conducting these attacks on reinforcements on their way to stop the main Ukrainian forces.
All the while Ukrainians inside Russia can refuse to assault defended positions. Which is exactly what they did initially. They bypassed the heavy positions and refused to engage in heavy force on force assaults. Instead as local defenders they are creating a lopsided local situation.
As an aside, where are Russian air assets? Inside Ukraine the skies were contested, but the apparent inability of air assets to repel Ukrainians from Russian territory with air power is not a good sign for Russia.
From what I read, the incursion force brought AA, making it hard for Russian air. Moreover, they did strike a few nearby airfields.
I assumed naturally they did bring AA, but the fact that AA of a force on the move is able to apparently overcome the ability of Russia to deploy air power in any significant way on its home turf is really something.
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Sounds like a special military vacation
Look ma, drones everywhere!!
A vacation in a foreign land
Mother Russia does the best she canA little mini sprog
K now launch invasion of Crimea while they’re busy with kursk
Pull out game strong
Is it though? The guy has clearly overstayed his “welcome”.
Putin needs to find Jesus. He needs to read scripture.
EDIT: This seems like just another online liberal echo chamber! What a joke!
Another one? Is it common for people to find it annoying when you suggest religion is somehow a solution for things?
Yeah, because Christianity isn’t the biggest echo chamber in the history of humanity 🙄
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Nice slur, bronze age fairy tale believer.
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I’m not religious
(X) to doubt
if there was no religion you wouldn’t be able to post your retarded comments on the internet
First of all, that’s patently false. Religion might have played a significant role in education back in the dark ages where they wouldn’t LET anyone get an education anywhere else, but that hasn’t been the case for centuries. The only relationship religion has had with modern science and technology is an adversarial one, neutral at best.
Second, please cool it with the r-slur. You calling me that says nothing about me and everything about your bigotry and refusal to evolve with the times.
Citation needed
May i introduce you to the wonders of science?
That is just your moronic believe. You can’t possibly know what would have happened and you stating it as if it was a fact makes you look like a fool.
Shares stupid opinion.
Everyone points out how stupid it is.
“This place is a liberal echo chamber!”
I find it ridiculous how downvoted you got. Of all the major religions Christianity is the one that went through the greatest processes of self-reflection and criticism and while I find most of its institutions still very flawed, it offers a lot of deep and compassionate thought and traditions. Also it actually has excellent philosophers and thinkers that integrate a scientific world view in theirs.
Lemmy is very ridiculous in this regard. People have intense opinions on things they have no deep understanding of. It’s like how MAGA people react to things like gun control or vaccines. They preach tolerance of some things and not others.
The thought of Putin finding Jesus could have led to a funny and weird conversation, and yet you were just met with hate. It’s so sad.
Of all the major religions Christianity is the one that went through the greatest processes of self-reflection and criticism
When did this happen? Because I still see a lot of self-righteous hate and bigotry from Christians all over the world.
Ever heard of the age of enlightenment? Holy hell. Also, you can make jokes about Christianity publicly without having to fear for your life. Lots of preachers have problems with their churches and are progressives. What is wrong with you people.
The Age of Enlightenment was when intellectuals abandoned Christianity for Deism.
And yes, you can absolutely be punished for joking about Christianity publicly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law#By_country
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Yes.
That’s the age where we said “all men are equal” while keeping lots of people as slaves, right?
We’re talking about the development of Christianity, not politics, right?
I dunno, you brought up the enlightenment, so it seemed like fair game.
Please tell me you do see the problem with speaking when you don’t know that the topic even is
(This whole thread is showing me once again online discussions are pointless)
Coming from a country - Portugal - which was very Catholic not that long ago, I would say that the children of Catholic parents went through a great process of “self-reflection and criticism” and dropped Catholicism.
The religion itself is pretty much as backwards as ever.
What happened is that the number of actual practicing Catholics (you know, people who actually go to church and spend time thinking about that stuff) has fallen steeply, even if there are still many who just because they got baptized (which is something one has no choice on), get counted as religious.
Even with the Christian sects dominant in places like the US and Brazil trying to get a foothold over here, there’s nowhere the level of dominance of religion in public life there seems to be in the US. It’s funny that a country which maybe 50 or 60 years ago was, IMHO, very socially backwards compared to the US, is now more socially evolved than it.
It sounds like Christianity didn’t go through self-reflection, it sounds like Christians did and many of them stopped being Christians.
Exactly.
My kind interpretation of the previous poster’s comment is that he or she may have confused the latter with the former: looked at highly religious places, saw them moving forward in social terms and thought it was the religion moving forward when in fact it was the people dropping the religion and thus moving forward.
I’m from a Portuguese family, and have been back to the Acores a number of times to visit family, etc… Even when I was very very young I remember going into the local church to look around and seeing how much gold was wasted on its interior while the village around it was still very much in a semi-poverty state. It was mind-blowing that that ever seemed “okay”.
When my folks were growing up (dad was born in 49, mom in 52) there were people on the island that didn’t have access to indoor plumbing, and yet every village’s local church was laced in gold.
Shameful.
Yeah, it was completely fucked up during the Fascist times: whilst the majority of people were dirt poor (Portugal even receive Food Aid back then) the Church was totally in bed with the Fascists, with priests using their position to spew pro-Fascist propaganda and controlling the poor, profiting massively from it, the very opposite of the supposed teachings of Christ about helping the poor.
Fortunately, after the Revolution in 74 that overthrew Fascism, the one smart thing done in this country was to massively invest in Education for all, so Generation X and younger pretty much all have a complete high-school education with a large percentage of them having degrees (to the point that if you look at the tables of average education of countries in Europe, Portugal has this strange characteristic of having lots of people with only primary education or less, lots of people with tertiary education and just a small number of people with only up to secondary education - reflecting the older generations having been severely under-educated followed by a complete reversal for the younger generations many of not most of whom had the chance for free or near free to get University and Technical Education and took it).
I believe it was the mix of remembering what the Church did back in Fascist days (I too heard the stories from my parents) and the massive massive improvement in education levels for the younger generations, that are behind the massive drop in practicing Catholics (or any other religions) in this country in the last 40 years or so.
Curiously, of late there has been a small uptick in religiosity due to immigration since it’s mostly from Brasil, a country which doesn’t have the same level of access to Education as Portugal and whose exit from Fascism is more recent (and was even sliding back recently with Bolsonaro, something that did not happen in Portugal).
That said you can see the same fall in Religious attendance as Education levels went up in other countries in Europe who didn’t start quite as poor and with quite such a disgustingly behaving Church as Portugal.
Of all the major religions Christianity is the one that went through the greatest processes of self-reflection and criticism and while I find most of its institutions still very flawed, it offers a lot of deep and compassionate thought and traditions
Christianity is responsible for the crusades…
Well thanks to Socratic tradition of critical thinking, I’d say that the reason Christianity had self-reflection is precisely because of it. If it so happens that Socrates did not exist or his works weren’t passed down, Western culture would be totally different from the one we know now.
What is he met Satan? Christianity, the only religion of Satan. Literally!
What if he met zeus?
What does any of this have to do with the article? You’re being down voted for making a weird comment about Jesus, nothing to do with being liberal.
Sky fairy can save: Neanderthal conservatives
Putin is Russian Orthodox.
Not everything is about religion, and god botherers need to not get so pissy about it.
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Merging the head of state and head of religion is how we got here in the fist place.
5 day old account using Jesus as an argument for every discussion. Obvious troll is obvious.
Wow. This comment is just another liberal echo chamber. 🙄
You appear to be speaking nonsense words, they all have meaning and some groupings in your comment do too. In its entirety though this comment makes no sense. An echo chamber is a place that many individuals may go to reinforce their views, with other members backing them up and attempting to remove any naysayers or disagreement.
A comment cannot, by definition, be an echo chamber.
Edit: What I find most odd is that your other comments seem to be very sensical. I generally agree with what you have to say, so this is a very strange thing to see you commenting.
so this is a very strange thing to see you commenting.
It’s because I didn’t include the “/s” at the end of the comment.
432 is definitely a troll/bot account. He calls a lot of comment sections a liberal echo chamber.
That makes so much more sense lmao. I’m definitely guilty of being bad at spotting satire in text.
Lol 🤣 what a terrible take.
This is a liberal echo chamber but reddit fucked me off.
Anything more neutral? Something with a sense of humour. This are some of the most boring fucks I’ve ever met on the internet. They all got their panties in a twist on their high horse.
But I am left leaning so I don’t want a right wing echo chamber I just want free speech and banter.
There are some “free speech” focused instances of different Activity Pub based platforms. You all can go there. I don’t remember the names of them but I’m sure some other Lemmy user can help you with that.
Thanks.
I would like to know more.
How can your comment get so downvoted? I just don’t get it
He’s clearly farming downvotes by simplistic antagonism.
Idk what people get from farming votes, negative or positive, but it seems people do do it.
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He did find Jesus and then realized it to be a bit problematic that he couldn’t fully control it, so he put his KGB friend at the head of the Russian Orthodoxy so now Jesus says what Putin wants him to say
This thread went downhill fast. ffs can’t we all just get along.
The Internet atheists go reeeeeeeeee
Fuck liberals, this is a leftist echo chamber thank you.
Same thing, tankie.
Yeah, nah fuck tankies this is a leftist echo chamber.
Ok
Glad you understand.
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